Most effective for street fighting?

I have done Muay thai for a few years and now I only box.

In my opinion I feel far more confident as a street fighter since doing boxing. Fists probably do the most damage in a fight, due to their accuracy, power and where they are going to hit your opponent.

The sparring in boxing is like a real fight most nights as we hit each other at close to full power so I am used to throwing hard punches and taking them as well. If you hit someone with a good hard combo you should have a good head start, plus you should be able to avoid punches quite well

When I did Thai boxing I wasnt as confident with my hands, plus kicks are always dodgy in a fight, and booting someones leg doesnt real;ly do instant damage, nor do you usually have space and tim e to do so.

The best thing about Thai boxing in a street fight is knowing how to clinch and knee. Not much defence to this in my limited use of it in a street fight.

I got involved in a large scale disturbance after I had been doing boxing a while. I sound like I am boasting here, but I am just giving my experince as asked. I found it soo easy to hit opponents it was unbelivable. They had no guards and telegraphed their intentions when they tried to punch me. I think I threw 5 punches, landed 4 and everyone I hit went down, the last one unconcious. That is due to boxing in my opinion.

agree with wrestling and boxing/thaiboxing!!  wrestling for balance and boxing for striking.  then gameness is the main factor which will win you a fight!  and staying aware of your surroundings.  whos behind you to the side, etc,  thats where you loose if you get sucker punched fromt he side, theres no defence for that.

bjj and ground work on the street is pretty useless.  most moves cant be got out with by eye gauging or biting.  plus you dont want your head caved in by other people.

so boxing/thai/wresting for me.  dont rate krav maga its all too scripted.  on the street its so much faster

Dont spend time trying to lock someone in a submission, if you go to the ground theres a good chance someone will jump on your head or bottle you on the ground.

Trust me when i say, get the first punch in. Break their nose with your right, left uppercut then bang them with an overhand right. If they dont fall, push them back and see what happening/ where your at and how you can get out of the pub/out of the area asap.

If you are inexperienced you will make mistakes, if you value your eyesight and your life, you wont street fight unless you have no choice.

As for any of you out there, that go looking for fights in pubs and in the streets. You deserve to be locked up. You are the bullys of the adult world and eventually you will get whats coming to you.

odog


  dont rate krav maga its all too scripted.  on the street its so much faster

ont rate krav maga its all too s

Street fighting is faster than a bullet ?

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speydream


Trust me when i say, get the first punch in. Break their nose with your right, left uppercut then bang them with an overhand right. 

LOL are you at the wind-up? I'd be very disappointed if you don't turn out to be a worldwide, top-10 rated boxer in your weight division.

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Icemansoldier


If you lock someone in a submission and they struggle try hard to break free youve broken there bloody bone!!! I mean there not going to tap out, and theres no ref about.

happens all too often

a choke becomes a death

depends how badly you want to win the fight i suppose

Id say boxing if you have to fight.

How many times have you seen a street/pub fight, where somebody tries to throw a spinning elbow or a roundhouse kick for example?

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odog


dont rate krav maga its all too scripted.  on the street its so much faster

ont rate krav maga its all too s

Street fighting is faster than a bullet ?

guns are irrelevant were talking street fighting.  guns cancel everything out you dont need to go to krav maga to learn to kill with a gun, any tool can do it

and spydream have you ever had a fight, left, right uppercut, blah blah ok yea sure that works everytime.

speydream


The most important thing, is landing the first punch/kick, doing it quickly and giving your oponent no chance to fight back.

It sounds harsh i know.

I dont go looking for fights, but you often get the local hardman trying his luck. If you go for me, im going to beat you unconcious and disappear very quick.

I second this, though it doesnt look good in a court of law if your caught. Believe me mate.
'' I thought he was gunna kick off your honour, he looked dodgy. so i kicked seven shades of sh1t out of him as im well trained in mma , kickoxing , and bjj !!''  JOKERS is all i have to say........

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Whats the diff between thai boxing and kick boxing is thai were you kick and punch as well? or im i getting confused.

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Kickboxing is punches and kicking only, with kicks typically above the waist, although there are some 'low kicks' kickboxing matches.

Full rules muay thai is a totally different ball game, with punches and kicks below the waist line (leg kicks) and also knees and elbows. Full Thai Rules will allow knees and elbows to the head, i.e. this is the proper muay thai you would see in Thailand.

Muay Thai also has clinch work that is pretty unique to muay thai and even some throws, seen it done alot in Thailand when I watches live muay thai fights.

Muay Thai in this country and Europe generally tends to be modified rules, although some fighters fight under full thai rules (elbows and knees to head).

Hope this helps.

Cool im wanna do one of these when i go to uni dont know which but hey.

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Icemansoldier


Cool im wanna do one of these when i go to uni dont know which but hey.

Do Muay Thai, which Uni you decided on going to anyway mate?

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Icemansoldier


Cool im wanna do one of these when i go to uni dont know which but hey.

Do Muay Thai, which Uni you decided on going to anyway mate?

Put uni of birm as my first choice mate, got a conditional offer so i need the grades, i really wanna go there, second is belfast an hour drive away from my house dont wanna go there really.

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There is K-Star muay thai in Brum, I personally didn't like it, but they have some good fighters. It struck me a bit like a money making venture than a serious fight team.

UTC MMA in Bham is probs your best bet, or Braulio Estima BJJ.

Thanks badboy not sure what i want to get into yet tbh, i would like to get into something my main priority is studying hard and getting a part time job, then mma/kickboxing/boxing or thai boxing im thinking.

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Not planning on competing btw, but if i did boxing or mma competing would interest me.

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just out of curiousity

are there any real strong guys here who have been in a fight and dont have any martial arts/boxing background??

if so, how much did strength matter in the fight

also please post your best lifts to assess your strength

regards

contraversial comment time

in my opinion the first thing you need in order to win a streetfight is heart, or guts

it doesnt matter what you are trained in, if you do not have the heart to get back up each time you get knocked down then you have lost

i personally have been in situations with martial art trained lads who have proved to be much less us then a typical brawler with no trainign at all, just a bit of weights and a massive set of bollox

martial arts training comes after heart for me, when you get knocked down do you go into a ball and lie there praying it will stop, or do you get the hell back up and keep biting, gouging, kicking, etc?

Heart is obviously a part of it.

Ceteris paribus, a trained fighter will nearly always beat someone with no training.

i.e. take two people with similar mindset, strength etc and the one with good training will win.

The last time I saw a proper streetfight the sort of punches being thrown were comical, i.e. a decent trained fighter would never have been hit by them.

If you're working with you've got, i.e. assuming you can't change mental characteristics, which I actually believe you can, then training in the proper way in the proper combat sport will make you more likely to survive any street encounter than had you done no combat sports.

All IMO.

Very valid point about ****ting yourself when a reallife fight situation arises even if you are trained you will either shi* yourself or you will be confident you can give it a good go with the skills you have obtained from training.

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mattpower


just out of curiousity

are there any real strong guys here who have been in a fight and dont have any martial arts/boxing background??

if so, how much did strength matter in the fight

also please post your best lifts to assess your strength

regards

ive seen loads of fights stood on the door for years and i have to say from what ive seen strength hasnt played a big role.
 
ive seen big roiders absoulutely battered by lithe 10 stone lunatics on plenty of occasions.  and im not sayin that cos im a lithe 10 stoner i wd be regarded as a 'roider' too i guess. its just what ive experienced.
 
i guess these smaller scrappy lil lads are fighting week in and out and the big boys tend not to bother too often and are left alone.

odog

mattpower


just out of curiousity

are there any real strong guys here who have been in a fight and dont have any martial arts/boxing background??

if so, how much did strength matter in the fight

also please post your best lifts to assess your strength

regards

ive seen loads of fights stood on the door for years and i have to say from what ive seen strength hasnt played a big role.
 
ive seen big roiders absoulutely battered by lithe 10 stone lunatics on plenty of occasions.  and im not sayin that cos im a lithe 10 stoner i wd be regarded as a 'roider' too i guess. its just what ive experienced.
 
i guess these smaller scrappy lil lads are fighting week in and out and the big boys tend not to bother too often and are left alone.

agree, in essence strength doesnt mean 5hit

if your big you can throw them round but lets be honest we've all fought skinny lads that are just plainly too fast, throw in a bit of footwork and youre struggling, panting like an old pervert and missing punches

What you guys are saying is true,

but take two versions of the same people and the stronger one will win.

Of course there are lots of different variables, but take two people with the same experience, ability and mindset and the stronger one will win. Fairly obvious.

As I said before, if size and strength doesn't matter then why are there weight classes in MMA and boxing? Hatton wouldn't knock out Valuev, he couldn't even cope with Mayweather's size advantage.

I personally have come across lots of scallys that are constantly in fights and some that even had boxing experience, were they good fighters yes, but this mythical 'lunatic 10 stone streetfighter who can destroy any strong/big guy is a myth'..

As soon as they come up against a stronger, bigger guy with similar experience skills and mindset they will be in trouble.

The upshot is that getting stronger and bigger will make you more able to cope with violent situations than had you done no strength training.

im only telling you what ive seen and experienced with my own eyes! on many occasions.  its no myth ive seen tiny people batter big lumps loads of times.  even doorman that were supposed to be fighers.

of course aggression and skill being equal the bigger stronger guy will normally win.  theres no real advantage to being smaller.

however if you look at dogs pit bull is widely regarded as the meanest mainly cos they dont give in.  i find this with smaller nasty fckers too.  i know it silly comparison but thats how i see it.  roiders like a bullmastiffs and lil 10- stoners like a pitbull. 

and 'being bigger and stronger will make u more able to cope with violent situations' 

think you ll have a shock when u come up against a nasty scrapper and find it doesnt mean anything just a false sense of security.  doing the bench press wont enable you to deal with some kid like a jack in the box flinging 100's of punches at you.

Once your in a real fight, whatever someone has learnt in a martial arts lesson goes out the window! the moves don't come instinctively, you have to think to remember moves.

In a real fight you revert to whatever comes naturally, even if you remember to do a bit of jiu jitsu or hold someone in a clinch, you'll get your face smashed in, by the five mates behind you, there are no dojo rules in a street fight!

using speed to pre-empt an attack then legging it, is the most effective protocol for streetfighting.

indie


Once your in a real fight, whatever someone has learnt in a martial arts lesson goes out the window! the moves don't come instinctively, you have to think to remember moves.

 
That is simply not true. Hence why in my original comment on best street fighting I emphasised 'lots of sparring'.

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Yes Odog I get your point.

But they also have weight classes in dog fighting (pit bulls) for a reason. The bigger pit will usually beat the smaller one!

Therefore my point still stands that being stronger puts you in a better position than had you done no strength training at all.

i dont really think it does tho.. how does lifting weights mean you can fight?  you still have to have some skill/aggression/bollox or it doesnt mean anything,

much like those with blackbelts in taekwando its all for show unless you got gameness to go with it

evad


avoidance would be my first choice

my second would be a mix of krav maga, boxing and ufc

ive never done ufc but im guessing it would fall in nicely with the boxing element so maybe just ufc and a bit of krav maga

thai boxing may be ok but things like roundhouses, etc are not recommended in a street fight, nothing above the hip is as far as i know (in terms of kicks)

i dont see the point in learnign a martial art just to make you good at street fighting

hahaah 'ufc', that made me giggle. it's not a martial art, boris

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evad


avoidance would be my first choice

my second would be a mix of krav maga, boxing and ufc

ive never done ufc but im guessing it would fall in nicely with the boxing element so maybe just ufc and a bit of krav maga

thai boxing may be ok but things like roundhouses, etc are not recommended in a street fight, nothing above the hip is as far as i know (in terms of kicks)

i dont see the point in learnign a martial art just to make you good at street fighting

Not sure if this has been mentioned yet. But UFC isn't a style of fighting, it's a promoter of MMA.
 
You wouldn't go around saying you trained in WBO because you were a boxer...
 
Sorry to pick at you, just an observation.

"Why Climb a Mountain, when you can become one..."

im sure he meant ufc rules of fighting, ie striking, grappling, groundwork, etc

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indie


Once your in a real fight, whatever someone has learnt in a martial arts lesson goes out the window! the moves don't come instinctively, you have to think to remember moves.

 
That is simply not true. Hence why in my original comment on best street fighting I emphasised 'lots of sparring'.

This is street fighting we are talking about, sparring will do jack sh1t, especially when someone is trying to headbut you, his mates are holding you down giving you a kicking.

I have only done a bit of sparring but of course it helps.

It helps get you used to taking a punch and feeling the adrenaline dump. Of course its not the same but it helps.

Are you seriously saying that learning how to punch hard, fast and accurate will not help you in a street fight?

What you are saying is that a trained fighter does not have an advantage in a street fight. This is clearly wrong, learning to even throw a decent punch accurately can make a big difference...

It only takes one good punch to end a fight, no matter what headbutts, biting and gouging is involved. Learning how to throw a fight ending punch is an advantage, i've found it myself.

in my opinion, i dont think you can say that "martial arts is usless, cuz 4 of his mates will be kicking your head in".  its such a pessimistic view.  obviously strength and martial arts arent a 'solution' that will garentee success in a street fight, but they couldnt hurt to have lol.

this post stemed out longer than i thought it would, i think im gona stick wif bjj and muay thai, while doing boxing training at home.

mabye a few chunks of wrestling or judo aswell lol, none of the hard moves, just a few useful ones.

Good plan mate, sure they will help and will be enjoyable.

Try to find a reputable muay thai club as one I went to that was supposed to have an amazing rep was nothing more than a mcdojo lol, i.e. 'gradings' for muay thai lol. There's some good clubs in the Uk though.

badboy007


I have only done a bit of sparring but of course it helps.

It helps get you used to taking a punch and feeling the adrenaline dump. Of course its not the same but it helps.

Are you seriously saying that learning how to punch hard, fast and accurate will not help you in a street fight?

What you are saying is that a trained fighter does not have an advantage in a street fight. This is clearly wrong, learning to even throw a decent punch accurately can make a big difference...

It only takes one good punch to end a fight, no matter what headbutts, biting and gouging is involved. Learning how to throw a fight ending punch is an advantage, i've found it myself.

Sparring is not a martial art, sparring isn't even the same as a boxing match, good sparrer doesn't equate to being a good fighter. especially if your drunk which most people are when they fight.
 
It may only take one good punch to end a fight, a streetfight is a choatic sloppy mêlée sometimes with multiple attackers, weapons and no rules.
 
If your standing round trying to replicate something, from the boxing gym you go to once or twice a week, you may only get in one or two shots before someone picks up a 2x4 or smashes a glass in your head.
 
If your sensible you don't hang around long enough to do anything more than make a clear path out, by doing anything you need to do to escape.
 
 

I've been alive for 34 years, - and i've never needed any martial art skills to protect myself.

Is it worth spending all that time and effort learning something, - just in case you might need it?  Just a thought :)