Somethings floating in my WC Sust !!!

I used 1 vail of widcat sust in my last cycle & at the end of it I noticed some brown powerd like substance sitting at the bottom of the empty vail which I found quite alarming.
 
I still have another full bottle of sust which I was going to use for my next cycle so I checked it for the same brown powder & sure enough there is some sitting at the bottom of the vail but it looks like more than my first vail. I have attached pics for you guys to check & see what you think.
 
Sorry pics not great, used phone but you can see the brown powder just under the WC hollogram.
 
Do you thinks is usable or for the bin?
 
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that my friend, would be going back.

Using some myself at the moment......off to go and check mine

Ain't gonna get big being small

Looks like its crashed.

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would it not be crystal like then? Ive no experience of crashed gear mate, so would like to know

Ain't gonna get big being small

A similar thing happened to me a few months back. The hormone had came out of solution because it was cold where I had stored it. I posted about it on here and was told to heat it up and sure enough it disolved again. 

Cant imagine this would happen in summer unless you store it somewhere cold though or its high mg/ml  ????

All the best

the sust is 250mg/ml.

im a firm beliver in pharma test as its no more expensive than pharma so why run the risk.

Its defo not been stored cold since I have had it. Could it being stored too warm cause it?

Its been stored upstairs in the house where it was very hot with the weather a couple of weeks ago?

I have already used a bottle with the substace in it so I'm thinking it my be usable, but I dont know if I want to risk it, would be a shame to throw 20ml of sust in the bin

didless


the sust is 250mg/ml.

im a firm beliver in pharma test as its no more expensive than pharma so why run the risk.

 
True.
 
To be honest I was looking into using Organon sust for my next cycle, used it in my first cycle & loved it. Think I will just go for it & use pharma sust from now on.
 
Anyone want to buy a 20ml bottle of wildcat sust??? lol ( joking btw )

djbarry06

didless


the sust is 250mg/ml.

im a firm beliver in pharma test as its no more expensive than pharma so why run the risk.

 
True.
 
To be honest I was looking into using Organon sust for my next cycle, used it in my first cycle & loved it. Think I will just go for it & use pharma sust from now on.
 
Anyone want to buy a 20ml bottle of wildcat sust??? lol ( joking btw )

organon sust is my fav i love it lol

it doesnt look like it's crashed to me, I've had crashed gear and it's just like in the pic on this thread:
http://www.ugm.org.uk/t...hed-gear-photo-and-info/

that hasnt crashed imo doesnt look good tho

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prop bin it and replace with pharma

Its just not worth the risk mate bin it and get sum pharma sust it will be woth it for the peace of mind. (On another note how much you want for it btw)? lol

why dont you ask your source to replace it with something else. thats what i would do

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The source I got it from is no longer around so I can't swap or refund it.

Its for the bin.

I'm going to get some jelfa omnadren or organon sust. Some nice clean gear.

good idea

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Lol at WC's rep at the min

It is quite amusing to see a sticker saying " wildcat quality brand " next to foating brown sh!t in a vail.

it is, people keep using ,and theyl still complain when abscess etc happen .

i used to have a handle on life but it broke

had npp with crap like that in it,went in the bin,had been using it for 2 weeks before it appeared ,my arms were so swollen after injecting, i jab biceps not a brand im fond of tbh.

YPU SAY YHIS IS FOR YOUR NEXT CYCLE,can you show the bottle form a top view to show the cap hasnt been tampered with

im sparticus


YPU SAY YHIS IS FOR YOUR NEXT CYCLE,can you show the bottle form a top view to show the cap hasnt been tampered with

What are you trying to say?
 
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I found something on WC regarding this.

"its from a batch a year ago during the olympics and WC had recalled all that batch and had desroyed it
but a few bottles must have got through it is like a sediment and it had gone through a .2microns filter. they should have been sent back for a full refund".

p.s. i dont represent any labs, i am not a source, i am not a source of information, please do not pm me where i got this info.

this is purely an unbiased view and i have no more info on it.

Hazard a touch of narcissism without shame.

I dont really like this brand in regards to its injectables.  I am still waiting on a reply for them in regards to there enanthate as I still got a lump from weeks ago in the right side of my glute as well as there being some sort of black particle right at the bottom of the vial.  Should have flushed my money down the toilet instead :( 

Just checked my sus, clear & no particles

MJH


Just checked my sus, clear & no particles

I would expect this to be the norm. Most will not have particles I'm sure.

That said, just one vial with quality control issues is one vial too many; and we have heard more than 1 report of problems. This sort of thing is almost unheard of from proper pharmaceutical grade steroid preparations, so the choice is yours.

I know which I would go for.

Another point worth making is that we generally only hear about issues like this where the problem is visible to the human eye. Frankly, I'm more concerned with what we can't see.  Of course, this applies to any unregulated 'lab' setup.

 

PartyBoy

MJH


Just checked my sus, clear & no particles

I would expect this to be the norm. Most will not have particles I'm sure.

That said, just one vial with quality control issues is one vial too many; and we have heard more than 1 report of problems. This sort of thing is almost unheard of from proper pharmaceutical grade steroid preparations, so the choice is yours.

I know which I would go for.

Another point worth making is that we generally only hear about issues like this where the problem is visible to the human eye. Frankly, I'm more concerned with what we can't see.  Of course, this applies to any unregulated 'lab' setup.

That is a good point & very concerning.
 
I defo will not be using it, pharma test from now on.
 
Its not just the one vail that had the particals in it, I had 2 contaminated vails.

what batch dates etc have you got on yours? im currently using a dongle to connect to the net and it would take about a lifetime to load the pics.

Ive got 2 bottles of there sust, 1 prop 200 and a npp vial.
majority of the time they are laid flat so ive stood them up to see if anything appears.

Ain't gonna get big being small

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Both vails of sust had particals in them but the deca I got at the same time was clear. 

the particles arent a one off ,its happened to me many times before with different ug labs.i always closely inspect vials before using .
tbh there is always doubt in my mind when using any ug gear now ,i never trust it 100%

good point by partyboy as well ,if we can see stuff with naked eye then god only knows what the bacterial count could be

i used to have a handle on life but it broke

just to clear things up- you managed to use nearly a full 20ml of one that had the exact same thing,  so you must have drawn from it at least 10 times, yet you never noticed?  do you draw with your eyes closed?  if its as obvious as your pictures suggest, then how could you possible not have noticed that despite having handled the vial many times?

and exactly where is this bandwagon going anyway?

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dazc


just to clear things up- you managed to use nearly a full 20ml of one that had the exact same thing,  so you must have drawn from it at least 10 times, yet you never noticed?  do you draw with your eyes closed?  if its as obvious as your pictures suggest, then how could you possible not have noticed that despite having handled the vial many times?

and exactly where is this bandwagon going anyway?

 
I usualy have a look to make sure the oil is clear before I use a vail or amp, UG or pharma.
 
On my opening post I said that the first vail of sust had less of the particals than the second vail, the first vail I used had very little in it & was barly noticable, it was also move around alot so the paricals could not be seen. The partical are so small that they cant really be seen indavidualy only when they are settled.
 
The second amp of sust had been sitting in the same position undesturbed for a couple of months so the particals settled & were highly visable. I do NOT draw with my eyes shut!
 
What do you mean where is the bandwagon going??
 
 
 

 

i think you've just been unlucky i.e bad batch

i've never had any problems with wc

everybody is going to have a different opinion on ug labs

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djbarry06

im sparticus


YPU SAY YHIS IS FOR YOUR NEXT CYCLE,can you show the bottle form a top view to show the cap hasnt been tampered with

What are you trying to say?
  dont take it the wrong way mate. i remember a few month ago it was either on here or ukm and some guy said he found an ant in his vial when we all asked for pics he vanished. im  in no way saying the same about you,but you have to admit some lads have there own agenda against certain labs
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mate its not unlucky ,you dont want to be relying on luck where your health is concerned .it only takes once to get a potentially fatal abscess

ive handled thousands of pharma amps and have never seen anything like this ,yet i have seen and heard of this several times with ug gear

i used to have a handle on life but it broke

im sparticus

djbarry06

im sparticus


YPU SAY YHIS IS FOR YOUR NEXT CYCLE,can you show the bottle form a top view to show the cap hasnt been tampered with

What are you trying to say?
  dont take it the wrong way mate. i remember a few month ago it was either on here or ukm and some guy said he found an ant in his vial when we all asked for pics he vanished. im  in no way saying the same about you,but you have to admit some lads have there own agenda against certain labs
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa122/djbarry06/DSC01291.jpg

OK m8 no problem. I see what you are saying.
 
I was really looking forward to useing WC gear as all I heard was good stuff about it & dont get me wrong I gained from the sust & Deca I used, The deca was crystal clear btw.

lets be clear about it though, the problem exists with ALL UG labs. there never has been and there never will be a UG setup that operates like a pharma company, because of the nature of what they are doing.  even the ones that 'buy' pharma licenses in some of the less scrupilous countries arent any better, and will never be real pharma quality, because of the end user and market.
 
the best you can get with any UG lab is a balance of probability, and this can change at any time for any lab.  and its fine saying pharma all the way, but fact is for a good range of the things we use, pharma isnt an option. then there is the problem of fakes, some of which are very well done (take the nordic viromone for example, or some of the schering fakes)  and there is always going to be more risk associated with fake gear than ug simply because the reputation isnt theirs to lose. 
 
a huge amount of the gear on the market supposidly pharma is fake.  lots of people who think they have pharma really dont.  most of the fakes are very hard to spot, even if your well versed and have held alot of different stuff, which for most of us isnt the case at all.  look on the net, even with the best photos you will get mixed opinions on everything unless its shockingly bad.  look at an old post of mine where i posted pictures of some niles half and half, yet i know they were fake, from thai markets.
 
abcesses are very rare, gear has BA or BB in, look at the reactions when a lab gets the concentration wrong! anyone thats homebrewed will tell you as well that if you put even a tiny % too much in the swelling is unbelievable.  polutants and process chemicals and impurities are more of a worry to be honest.  and this is common to all UG and fakes. 
 
there are factories in the uk that pump out thousands of amps a week of viromone, all types of test supposidly eastern european, iranians, niles, deca etc etc.  why? because people use it and dont know any different.
 
easy to say use pharma, and never a truer word spoken, BUT its not as simple as that.

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dazc

good post mate

(new cycle started 8/2/12 10 weeker)
tnt450 (300mg test deconate, 150mg tren en)2ml ew 
50mg proviron ed  
aromasin 25mg ed    
pct is for quitters

dazc


lets be clear about it though, the problem exists with ALL UG labs. there never has been and there never will be a UG setup that operates like a pharma company, because of the nature of what they are doing.  even the ones that 'buy' pharma licenses in some of the less scrupilous countries arent any better, and will never be real pharma quality, because of the end user and market.
 
the best you can get with any UG lab is a balance of probability, and this can change at any time for any lab.  and its fine saying pharma all the way, but fact is for a good range of the things we use, pharma isnt an option. then there is the problem of fakes, some of which are very well done (take the nordic viromone for example, or some of the schering fakes)  and there is always going to be more risk associated with fake gear than ug simply because the reputation isnt theirs to lose. 
 
a huge amount of the gear on the market supposidly pharma is fake.  lots of people who think they have pharma really dont.  most of the fakes are very hard to spot, even if your well versed and have held alot of different stuff, which for most of us isnt the case at all.  look on the net, even with the best photos you will get mixed opinions on everything unless its shockingly bad.  look at an old post of mine where i posted pictures of some niles half and half, yet i know they were fake, from thai markets.
 
abcesses are very rare, gear has BA or BB in, look at the reactions when a lab gets the concentration wrong! anyone thats homebrewed will tell you as well that if you put even a tiny % too much in the swelling is unbelievable.  polutants and process chemicals and impurities are more of a worry to be honest.  and this is common to all UG and fakes. 
 
there are factories in the uk that pump out thousands of amps a week of viromone, all types of test supposidly eastern european, iranians, niles, deca etc etc.  why? because people use it and dont know any different.
 
easy to say use pharma, and never a truer word spoken, BUT its not as simple as that.

I agree with everything you say.
 
When it comes to quality pharma & not fakes its down to your source, you need to have 100% trust that you are getting what you pay for.
 
I have seen many fakes, look at some of the Norma deca fakes they are almost identical, alot of work gose into producing fakes.
 
 
 
 

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