Is ECA still the best fat burner whilst not burning muscle?

There are so many fat burners around now, and im trying to decide the most effective burner, that isnt thermogenic but wont destory all my muscle gains.

is ECA non thermogenic and a fat burner (that wont rid me of my muscle)?

or has something taken its place on the market that is of comparable efficacy?

ECA is a thermogenic as it raises body temperature - if you're looking for non-stimulant based fat burners, you're probably looking for something TTA based (Tetradecylthioacetic acid). There are a few TTA based fat burners on the market that other members will no doubt help provide feedback on and point you in the direction of :)

All fat loss cycles come with the risk of muscle loss as you should be in a calorie deficit to lose the fat - when you're in a calorie deficit, you risk losing some muscle, however if you follow a high protein diet, that's well planned and your cardio is not too extreme, that muscle loss should be minimal (and some people may find they lose no strength at all).

Hope that helps!

excellent - thanks for the feedback

hopefully a few other membrs can pop in with their £0.02

As ThaiFighter has said, ECA is a thermogenic supplement.
 
If you have no problems with ECA then i'd say that it is about as good as you get for an available over-the-counter product.
 
Even with ECA though, the percentage it has towards your overall fat loss goal is minimal. It can be a small aid when all other factors such as diet, cardio, etc.. are in place, but they really do come first and foremost.
 

Great advice from thai and noname. Ephedrine rocks!

Im gonna try some of this soon, ive only seen it from mostly american sites tho :(
I found green tea was a good fat burner, when taken regulerly, but i dont use that anymore due to the apprent study which showed it can reduce testostarone levels...
Normal caffeine preworkout, along with tyrosine seems to give me a nice boost to my workouts, which seems to be helping burn fat, coupled with cutting my carbs down from my diet is starting to help alot, but havent cut down too much, so the strength stays the same, and no muscle wastege either :)

Na mate ECA is avaliable in the UK, supps like grenade and diamond eca and a member called Burn i think has his own shop which speciallizes in eph i think.

Funny you mention green tea i did abit of digging on it today and read 5 cups a day = around 70/80 cal burnt, not great. Were you taking green tea tablets/caps? Becasue they contain a high amount of green tea and would be more effective i would imagine and cheaper.

Eph and caffeine is a killer stack. I prefer to just use eph as i like to use caffeine for when i need a kick.

Read this post 178# about green tea:

http://www.muscletalk.c...-PAGE-4-m3546471-p9.aspx

Icemansoldier


Na mate ECA is avaliable in the UK, supps like grenade and diamond eca and a member called Burn i think has his own shop which speciallizes in eph i think.

Funny you mention green tea i did abit of digging on it today and read 5 cups a day = around 70/80 cal burnt, not great. Were you taking green tea tablets/caps? Becasue they contain a high amount of green tea and would be more effective i would imagine and cheaper.

Eph and caffeine is a killer stack. I prefer to just use eph as i like to use caffeine for when i need a kick.

Is ECA basically ephadrine or diffrent? I remember hearing about grenade before, just dint wanna spend lodsa money on fat burners and such at the time, so just went down the herbal route.I was using CLA and green tea caps m8, quite strong, if i had too many would get hot flushes and stomach problems lol
Ive tryed the actual green tea before, is ok but im not much of a hot drink person so stuck withe the caps for a good 3/4 months.

Thanks for the info m8

Liam86
 
Is ECA basically ephadrine or diffrent?

ECA is the name given to a stack of ingredients, one being Ephedrine. The other two are Caffeine and Asprin.
The three work together to give a greater result than one ingredient alone.
 
 
There is some more detailed info here...    www.muscletalk.co.uk/fb.ashx?m=155953
 
 
 

eca worked a treat for me, there is a offer on newimagesupplements, over on uk-muscle at the mo.
I took 2 b 4 training along with clenbuterol whilst cutting, seemed to do the job.

Liam86

Icemansoldier


Na mate ECA is avaliable in the UK, supps like grenade and diamond eca and a member called Burn i think has his own shop which speciallizes in eph i think.

Funny you mention green tea i did abit of digging on it today and read 5 cups a day = around 70/80 cal burnt, not great. Were you taking green tea tablets/caps? Becasue they contain a high amount of green tea and would be more effective i would imagine and cheaper.

Eph and caffeine is a killer stack. I prefer to just use eph as i like to use caffeine for when i need a kick.

Is ECA basically ephadrine or diffrent? I remember hearing about grenade before, just dint wanna spend lodsa money on fat burners and such at the time, so just went down the herbal route.I was using CLA and green tea caps m8, quite strong, if i had too many would get hot flushes and stomach problems lol
Ive tryed the actual green tea before, is ok but im not much of a hot drink person so stuck withe the caps for a good 3/4 months.

Thanks for the info m8

Ace post by noname and he provides a great link. Were you using MP's green tea, if so which one and what dose daily? Caps are better as you need a good 5 cups and even that only burns 70/80cals not worth drinking five cups for that but it also has other properties which are included in the link, so i would opt for caps next time. Do you know how the green tea has helped, you didnt cut for 3/4 months did you lol, you use them on a bulk?

Clen gave me awful cramps @ 80mg, even when i took pottasium, taurine, loads of water, wont try it again.

I wouldnt bother with TTA for the reason that it messes with Omega 3 fatty acid metabolism.

Its expensive in powder and doesnt do much.

ECA, good appetite suppressant but does not hold onto muscle on its own. Quite a few nasty sides to it. Plus  the fact that EPH HCL is banned in the UK now, so you wont be getting pute eph.

Ive used 98% Green Tea Extract at 1g per day for 3 months, did naff all.

You want to strip fat?

HIIT cardio, train your body as a whole and get a half decent diet. Ill bet pounds to pennies it falls off of you.

Yeah agree with TIO dont know much about its messing with omega etc, but at the doses they recommend to run it, you would need 2/3 bottles.

I just use eph, supresses my appetite superbly which stops me from eating too much when cutting, would struggle without it tbh and would eat abit more.

Thanks for the green tea advice TIO.

I dont use Eph anymore.

i find i get much better results with upping cardio and eating more.

I dont know the mechanics behind it but it works so much better.

That and the fact that there is so much Eph out there that is total and utter crap it beggars belief.

The only reason i use it is for its appetite supressing properties, if it didnt do that i dont think i would be using it at all, as ive read it increases metabolism by 2/3% which isnt much at all, might as well do cardio and save your cash even though its not that expensive anyway.

noname

Liam86
 
Is ECA basically ephadrine or diffrent?

ECA is the name given to a stack of ingredients, one being Ephedrine. The other two are Caffeine and Asprin.
The three work together to give a greater result than one ingredient alone.
 
 
There is some more detailed info here...    www.muscletalk.co.uk/fb.ashx?m=155953
 
 
 

Cheers :) i remember watching a youtube video of ronnie colemans supplements, belive he had asprin in that massive pill box of his lol

Icemansoldier

Liam86

Icemansoldier


Na mate ECA is avaliable in the UK, supps like grenade and diamond eca and a member called Burn i think has his own shop which speciallizes in eph i think.

Funny you mention green tea i did abit of digging on it today and read 5 cups a day = around 70/80 cal burnt, not great. Were you taking green tea tablets/caps? Becasue they contain a high amount of green tea and would be more effective i would imagine and cheaper.

Eph and caffeine is a killer stack. I prefer to just use eph as i like to use caffeine for when i need a kick.

Is ECA basically ephadrine or diffrent? I remember hearing about grenade before, just dint wanna spend lodsa money on fat burners and such at the time, so just went down the herbal route.I was using CLA and green tea caps m8, quite strong, if i had too many would get hot flushes and stomach problems lol
Ive tryed the actual green tea before, is ok but im not much of a hot drink person so stuck withe the caps for a good 3/4 months.

Thanks for the info m8

Ace post by noname and he provides a great link. Were you using MP's green tea, if so which one and what dose daily? Caps are better as you need a good 5 cups and even that only burns 70/80cals not worth drinking five cups for that but it also has other properties which are included in the link, so i would opt for caps next time. Do you know how the green tea has helped, you didnt cut for 3/4 months did you lol, you use them on a bulk?

Ive used both MP and Zipvits version m8, think the zipvit version was slightly stronger, or atleast felt it working faster..Must say it did aid with energy release throughout the days, didnt feel as lethargic and so on..however that being said, despite it working, it does supress the appertite, in such a way, if i did say have a chicken sandwich, full of celery and so on, id literally feel full for hours ( i know thats a good thing but sametime like going into me workout feeling emptry if that makes sense, seem to get a better workout that way)
Ive tryed CLA also, but id recomend the green tea, just make sure you dont overdo it, or overdose, as can play murder with ya digestion lol
I think i was averaging 2 pills a day, 1 with breakfast, 1 with lunch, i think as its caffeine style product.

And also to add, it did over the course of a few months help with reducing fat, mostly around more noticable areas such as the stomach, legs etc.
Its nothing amazing tho, and as TIO said, cardio and diet is much more helpfull.
Ive noticed, just upon redoing and altering my diet plan slightly,(alot less carbs,more greens/veg and a protein shake an hour before workout) ive lost a bit of weight but got bigger and leaner at the same time