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First Hdrol Cycle

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TimJ

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First Hdrol Cycle - 19 October 2009 23:46

Well im 21 and weight 185lbs. Iv been training for around 3 years now and im looking for something to break me through this plateu im stuck in.

Iv done ne cycle before not of Hdrol but of "Pro Anabol" i was very naive and used no cycle support, no PCT, nothing.

This time i have decided i will take as much precaution as i can so far i have planned:

2 Hdrol Caps per day
4 Cycle Assist caps per day
Then continue to use the cycle assist as my PCT.

http://www.predatornutr...olcycle-assist-stack.cfm - Stack im buying, maybe 2 cycle support & PCT.

However as i want to take all precautions nessacery what other supplements could i take to avoid stuff like:

High Blood Pressure
Gyno
Lack of sex drive
Testicles shrinking
etc etc ......

Cheers guys

stolensocks01 Total Posts : 317 Reward points : 2459 Joined: 13/03/2007	Re:First Hdrol Cycle - 20 October 2009 05:13 Cycle support is no good for PCT mate try to source a SERM mate read this http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/clomid-hcg.aspx there are also OTC PCT products you can use aswell you might want to look into but i would try to get a SERM just incase <message edited by stolensocks01 on 20 October 2009 05:15>

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Re:First Hdrol Cycle - 20 October 2009 09:13

I am not a big fan of SERM's - mostly the view they are essential is outdated and ignores many side effects they are proven to cause. You should read the following for a more balanced view of their effects.

http://www.muscletalk.c...olvadex-m3628885-p3.aspx

Check the posting by the guy whose eyesight has been permanently damaged by use of SERM's. Not something I can ever recall seeing in anyone using supplements.

http://www.primordialpe...onal-articles.html?id=40

As far as supplemental options for PCT I would review the articles below for ideas:

www.otcpct.com
http://www.muscletalk.c...ost-cycle-treatment.aspx

Good luck!

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TimJ Total Posts : 2 Reward points : 16 Joined: 19/10/2009	Re:First Hdrol Cycle - 20 October 2009 11:28 Cheers guys, what other stuff could i take for extra precaution ? Like milk thistle, horny goat weed etc ..

stolensocks01 Total Posts : 317 Reward points : 2459 Joined: 13/03/2007	Re:First Hdrol Cycle - 20 October 2009 15:47 milk thistle will be in your cycle assist, you could add a test booster to your pct rahter than horny goat weed

danchubbz Total Posts : 3983 Reward points : 4830 Joined: 12/01/2007	Re:First Hdrol Cycle - 20 October 2009 20:14 so for a 6 week cycle of h-drol would the following OCT PCT be ok? -Milk thistle (through cycle and PCT) -Lean extreme (week 1-4) -Activate extreme (week 3-7)

Daari

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Re:First Hdrol Cycle - 20 October 2009 20:20

I'm not a fan of using OTC AI's as opposed to SERMS. They have not been around as long as SERMS and have not been studied in as much detail, hence why they are not proven to cause anything....thay have to be reseaeched first.

They can be, and are used quite commonly and many seem to get along fine. I personally would go with a SERM if you can source it, although there are many OTC AI products that do a decent job

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Re:First Hdrol Cycle - 20 October 2009 21:19

danchubbz

so for a 6 week cycle of h-drol would the following OCT PCT be ok?

-Milk thistle (through cycle and PCT)
-Lean extreme (week 1-4)
-Activate extreme (week 3-7)

-Milk thistle (through cycle and PCT)
-Lean extreme (week 1-4)
-Activate extreme (week 1-4)

Lean extreme - described as a cortisol reducer not a test. raiser. Use is debatable.
Activate extreme - decribed as a Test. raiser.

look good naked :D

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Re:First Hdrol Cycle - 20 October 2009 22:03

danchubbz

so for a 6 week cycle of h-drol would the following OCT PCT be ok?

-Milk thistle (through cycle and PCT)
-Lean extreme (week 1-4)
-Activate extreme (week 3-7)

No, not really. You want a targeted estrogen blocker such as a supplement based around:

ATD
6-Bromo
Resveratrol

Or better still, all three. This would come first along with the lean xtreme. Activate Xtreme will elevate test of course but you also need something acting to reduce estrogen post cycle. Hope that helps explains it further.

PartyBoy

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Re:First Hdrol Cycle - 21 October 2009 08:17

PredatorNutrition

I am not a big fan of SERM's - mostly the view they are essential is outdated and ignores many side effects they are proven to cause. You should read the following for a more balanced view of their effects.

http://www.muscletalk.c...olvadex-m3628885-p3.aspx

As you are intent on consistently posting this view, I will continue to challenge you on the known vs unknown safety profile of serms and otc pct products, as also touched upon quite rightly by Daari above.

We've been through all this numerous times, and I'm sure we'll go through the same every single time I see this sort of unbalanced posting by yourself.

See

http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/fb.ashx?m=3628885

and

http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/fb.ashx?m=3632965

As far as supplemental options for PCT I would review the articles below for ideas:

www.otcpct.com
http://www.muscletalk.c...ost-cycle-treatment.aspx

i wouldn't

PartyBoy Total Posts : 26165 Reward points : 7873 Joined: 14/01/2003 Location: The North, UK	Re:First Hdrol Cycle - 21 October 2009 08:17 PredatorNutrition ATD 6-Bromo Resveratrol Or better still, all three. This advice is nuts.

danchubbz Total Posts : 3983 Reward points : 4830 Joined: 12/01/2007	Re:First Hdrol Cycle - 21 October 2009 08:52 PartyBoy PredatorNutrition ATD 6-Bromo Resveratrol Or better still, all three. This advice is nuts. What are your thoughts on inhibit-e and milk thistle for PCT?

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Re:First Hdrol Cycle - 21 October 2009 09:25

danchubbz

PartyBoy

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ATD
6-Bromo
Resveratrol

Or better still, all three.

This advice is nuts.

What are your thoughts on inhibit-e and milk thistle for PCT?

I think that as a basic option it will do the job for most people.

ThaiFighter

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Re:First Hdrol Cycle - 21 October 2009 11:31

All the major OTC options are covered in great detail in this article here, written by Firest0rm who is probably one of the most knowledgable MT members on the subject:

Over the Counter Post Cycle Therapy

In terms or SERM vs. OTC.....I think Hdrol is relatively mild, and out of all those you could want to do an OTC PCT on, that'd be a good choice.

Lots of logs on the US forums from those just running OTC PCT, I'd have a flick through those and see how it went for them before making a PCT decision.

This is also worth a read - it's a VERY interesting thread on no PCT vs. OTC vs. SERM:

http://www.muscletalk.c...T-with-Epi-m3051970.aspx

Cycle Assist will more than cover you for on cycle support as it includes:

- Milk Thistle (liver)
- Hawthorne Berry (blood pressure)
- Saw Palmetto (prostate)

However I'd also advice avoiding alcohol whilst on cycle as your liver will be under stress already from the methylated Hdrol - and drink LOTS of water, imo 3-4 litres a day. This is a nice, simple step to make the cycle safer :)

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danchubbz

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Re:First Hdrol Cycle - 21 October 2009 17:14

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danchubbz

PartyBoy

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ATD
6-Bromo
Resveratrol

Or better still, all three.

This advice is nuts.

What are your thoughts on inhibit-e and milk thistle for PCT?

I think that as a basic option it will do the job for most people.

Would u say investing in cycle (The cycle being h-drol/ 6 weeks/ 75mg ED) support during the cycle is a good investment.

also would u run anything along side inhibit-e during PCT.

Daari Total Posts : 9510 Reward points : 6488 Joined: 09/11/2003 Location: United Kingdom	Re:First Hdrol Cycle - 21 October 2009 22:16 cycle support is a good product, IME. I personally see benefit from adding a cortisol antagonist in PCT, although others would disagree. Even though inhibit-e as a standalone would suffice

stolensocks01 Total Posts : 317 Reward points : 2459 Joined: 13/03/2007	Re:First Hdrol Cycle - 21 October 2009 22:36 out of interest what would your OTC PCT of choice be reggie pm me if you can't say on the board?

PredatorNutrition Total Posts : 2638 Reward points : 3265 Joined: 06/01/2009	Re:First Hdrol Cycle - 21 October 2009 23:45 Lol, not even sure I can PM it so best to drop me us an email on inquiries@predatornutrition.com. Thanks. Join our Facebook Page for Exclusive Discounts, and Offers Follow us on Twitter and Get the Latest on Training, Nutrition and Supplement Science Plus Daily Offers. Subscribe to Our Youtube Channel for Exclusive Training Videos.

stolensocks01 Total Posts : 317 Reward points : 2459 Joined: 13/03/2007	Re:First Hdrol Cycle - 22 October 2009 02:25 PredatorNutrition Lol, not even sure I can PM it so best to drop me us an email on inquiries@predatornutrition.com. Thanks. tried the link mate but it wouldn't work went through your web page instead

PartyBoy Total Posts : 26165 Reward points : 7873 Joined: 14/01/2003 Location: The North, UK	Re:First Hdrol Cycle - 22 October 2009 09:08 My guess is that it will be every possible product under the sun. He won't say on the board as he will face stiff opposition from me wanting credible data to support such a pct. This data has been requested several times and is to date still outstanding. Make of that what you will.

stolensocks01 Total Posts : 317 Reward points : 2459 Joined: 13/03/2007	Re:First Hdrol Cycle - 22 October 2009 22:52 it was a quite conservative approach actually PB. Thankyou reggie

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