dermacrine vs bioforge??

Both of these seem to be highly rated in  the states, but what gives the best in terms of overal test boosting and possiblw gains?                                                                         They both come in  around the same price

Dermacrine is hormonal iirc, Sustain Alpha is Primordial's test booster, so I'm not sure this is a fair or direct comparison

Not sure you'll find anyone that has ran both these compounds mate, will be interesting to see

PP's website says that with a 4 week dermacrine cycle pct wont be needed, 6 weeks  or more then only a light one.
The way i look at this is its either quite mild in the way  of being hormonal or its a marketing ploy to get people to buy it who dont like
the  idea of pct.  that said though i am swaying towards it though, as i'm yet to find a bad  report on it

I will ask Primordial's rep to respond on this point as he will have intimate knowledge of their full product range.

Would be good to know more about dermacrine and what potential it has over a one bottle cycle - if mild enough to be ran without pct then its potentially mild enough to be ran in-season for rugby, without the sides most ots steroids have to the detriment of intense aerobic/anaerobic work

If i decide to run it ill be running a  daily log too. Ill be ordering a supp to run tomorrow, so just need to decide what. Dermacrine is winning at the moment for me though

Hey mate, is this your first cycle?

Dermacrine most certainly can be run safely for 4 weeks without a PCT, it sits quite nicely as an in-between full-on Prohormones/Designer Steroids and your best test booster. Although we recommend first time users extend some caution and have PCT therapy 'on-hand' should you need it.

The unique topical delivery system causes the compound to have a much more potent effect than traditional oral DHEA products, and far more actually reaches the target tissues as it won't be degraded by the liver or digestive system.

I'd recommend you check out some other users logs on dermacrine before making a full decision, although for 'dipping you toe' into the world of anabolics I don't think it can be matched personally, here's some logs mate for you to check out:

http://www.mindandmuscle.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=27654&hl=Primordial+Performance

http://www.mindandmuscle.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=27608&hl=Primordial+Performance

http://www.steroidology.com/forum/my-online-journal/133490-moms-dermacrine-log.html

http://www.steroidology.com/forum/my-online-journal/135007-gfds-epistane-dermacrine-workout-log.html

Oh no its not my first cycle, ive run several cycles in the past - sd, epi, sd with an epi overlap, dbol etc.How does dermacrine compare stength wise to other designers/prohormones on the market? And what pct would you recommend? Standard nolva or otc? Either is fine by me

SBR


Oh no its not my first cycle, ive run several cycles in the past - sd, epi, sd with an epi overlap, dbol etc.How does dermacrine compare stength wise to other designers/prohormones on the market? And what pct would you recommend? Standard nolva or otc? Either is fine by me

You won't get a massive amount of strength off the compound, it's comparable to H-Drol in terms of strength and size gains, especially if run for 6 weeks.

If you plan on running it for longer than 4, my personal choice of PCT would be the full TRS stack from Primodial Performance (Sustain Alpha, EndoAmp Max and Toco 8). I don't think SERMS would be necessary for a cycle this mild.

Unfair match....a prohormone VS a natural test-booster