cnp says more than 25g whey is waste?!

cnp tell consumers of its cnp whey not to take more than 25g (20g of actual protein) as it says anymore whey of whey will be a waste as it will be oxidised too quick by the body thus it ll either be wasted or deposited as fast since the body doesnt have enough time to assemble the amino acids. but i have always aimed for protein shakes with 50g of protein 2 scoops double thats recomended on pharma whey or express whey as i find the amound in the recomended 1 scoop to low,what do u guys think i mean cnp r a respectaple company and probably know thier stuff but wanted to hear ur opinions regarding this.

I agree and also think its too much a time.

Read this the other day which is quite interesting...

http://www.buildingmusc...ein-absorbed-at-one-time

*rolls eyes*

same old threads, just a different day

Put peanut butter in to slow the absorption of the whey, or any other good fats for that matter.

Your PWO shake is just to stop the catabolic process. Your PWO meal is what starts the rebuilding. Simple as that.

MikeS


Your PWO shake is just to stop the catabolic process. Your PWO meal is what starts the rebuilding. Simple as that.

Not really, but that's not the point.
 
Logically there will be a minimum amount of protein that would result in max increase in protein balance over a set period of time. For many it may be 25g.
 
All you need to do is investigate the subject population used in the study/studies that suggested 25g was the mean figure that resulted in the max rate of protien balance over the set period in the study. While your at it you'll need to critque the method in the study too.  If you happy after this then take no more than 25g per meal. But off course you'll need to have enough time between each feed to alemiate the refactory period in protein balance (after raised circulatory amino acids have rasie it). Some suggest 5 hours is optimal. Once you have that sorted, check your consumption against the 2g/kg bw that is meant to be the rough guidline for daily protein consumption in restistance trained indviduals as suggested by Lemon among others.
 
Easy really :)
 
Ohh and good luck if your 300lbs and think 25g will do the job :)

Applos for spelling. Its bad at the best of times but Pimms and beer dosn't improve it :)

iaink

MikeS


Your PWO shake is just to stop the catabolic process. Your PWO meal is what starts the rebuilding. Simple as that.

Not really, but that's not the point.
 
Logically there will be a minimum amount of protein that would result in max increase in protein balance over a set period of time. For many it may be 25g.
 
All you need to do is investigate the subject population used in the study/studies that suggested 25g was the mean figure that resulted in the max rate of protien balance over the set period in the study. While your at it you'll need to critque the method in the study too.  If you happy after this then take no more than 25g per meal. But off course you'll need to have enough time between each feed to alemiate the refactory period in protein balance (after raised circulatory amino acids have rasie it). Some suggest 5 hours is optimal. Once you have that sorted, check your consumption against the 2g/kg bw that is meant to be the rough guidline for daily protein consumption in restistance trained indviduals as suggested by Lemon among others.
 
Easy really :)
 
Ohh and good luck if your 300lbs and think 25g will do the job :)

Since the guy that asked the original question doesnt know how much whey to take PWO, I very much doubt he is any where near 300lbs. Any dumbnuts knows the more muscle you carry the more protein you need. So for most around the 25g mark is sufficient imo. On the basis that 40-60mins later you'll be eating a hefty balanced meal.

The exact amount of whey you need PWO is irrelevant really. Train hard, eat well and rest. No need to over complicate things.

There are countless studies out there... I don't know any big bodybuilder that eats only 25g of protein per meal... You will never achieve anything this way! Most people I know (me included) shoot for 2.5 -3 g protein per kg body weight! I eat every day roughly 300g of protein. I started that about 2 years ago... guess what. I've become a lot leaner and stronger than I ever was. A little more protein does not matter, your body will use it as energy. Having said this, of course you have to take your calorie intake etc into consideration. Took me a while to find the right balance. Just talk to competitive bodybuilders...

lol Mike. Thats my point! Don't over complicate things!

iaink


Applos for spelling. Its bad at the best of times but Pimms and beer dosn't improve it :)

I cannot imagine you sitting drinking pimms - the facial hair surely clashes

We just fancied a jug with our mexican meal. Had a beer first and after off course.

I've seen big gym guys that don't have much more protein than a regular eater. Now, they may have got to their size in half the time; if they amped up the protein, but you can still grow on lower protein consumption

surely there are a lot of factors involved in affecting how much is digested and used, I don't think there is a 25g that is applicable to everyone, similarly as there isn't really such thing as an average height or average man

When I reduced my protein intake from 2 large scoops down to just one large scoop I got leaner and still built some lean muscle. So Ive kept it there for now.

Generally I eat real food. I mix power usually with my oats and have an evening shake. Everybody reacts differently anyway. Most of the huge guys don't even really know how thay got that big - it's their genetics. I have to works real had for every gramm of muscle! Reducing my protein intake i.e. did not work for me at all. I've been training for nearly 20 years, not much I have not tried. Suffice it to say it also depends on your supplementation... Train hard, eat well ( count your food!!) get sufficient rest and set yourself some specific goals!

The problem on this forum, is everybody assumes the people here want to be massive bodybuilders.

I certainly don't, but I want to build some muscle yes.

whether you want to be huge or not, the muscle building process is still the same. if you wanna grow muscle, bodybuilding is the way to go, just stop when you get to the size you wanna be, but follow a bodybuilding routine to get there n youll save yourself some time.

on topic, personally, i reckon 1.4g protein per pound BW is about right through out the day, with about 40g comming from pre and 40 from post workout shakes, OR, 20 pre, 20g mid workout bar, and then 40 from post work out shake.

both work well for me, but i progessed quicker using a smaller pre workout shake and a mid workout protein intake.

Brilliant. It depends on your weight.

Someone who weighs 7 stone still gets the same advice....'you need about 300g of protein a day mate'

Thats the sort of thing I've read on here time and time again anyway :)

I've got 2 uncles, now in their fifties who are very well built. Never took sups, never spread out their meals 6 times day, never ate before bed etc ect. When I asked how they ever managed to bench 140KG, they just replied 'Ate when hungry and trained hard'.

I agree with other posts, this is always way over complicated.