Eo oil

did my first injection 2 days ago into shoulder...all went well but a few hours after arm is dead and quite painful, it hurts when i move it and touch shoulder. And shoulder has gone a little red under where i did the jab...Should i be worried or is this normal and will go?

Injected 75mg tren ace 75 mg mast prop 100mg test prop...`1mil blend all in one vial

Shoulder has now got a big red patch on it..

My source suggests i use eo oil to dilute the mix and add 0.5ml of eo oil to 1mil of gear...any one else had experience with this?

The problem with what you've done is the delt is a fairly small muscle group and you've injecting a high concentration mix into it. Have you jabbed delts before also?

For that particular blend I'd rather jab it in quads or glutes. It's going to sting a little regardless, better in a larger muscle group in my opinion.

EO gear does meant to help, I'd still rather go with a different site though.

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firest0rm's 12 week Test Enth/Winny/T3 cycle

my mate does delts or quads and says delts are easiest and painless for him, he said it mite be painful the first couple of times but delts will get used to it i would rather do delts because i have heard from alot of people who do quads that they can be very painful after and hardly able to walk and i cannot afford to risk that because of my job

First of all I wouldn't take what your mate says as gospel. Quads are perhaps the easiest muscle group to jab. You've not jabs before so you're what's called "opening the site". And you're using a high concentration of short esters to do this. I would imagine most people would feel a lot of pain. By all means use the EO oil and let us know if it helped.

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Hi mate, I know what mix you refer to -- I reacted poorly to this in feb when I ran it for 5 weeks at the end of a bulk -- I did a quad shot and had what can only be described as an "oil slick" style patch on most of my left quad -- hot as hell to the touch.  I either didn't go deep enough or went in between muscles etc etc.

I used the eo oil and it certainly helped me, however as firestorm said I stuck to glutes and right quad after the experience I had.

I also had to use 1ml or mix, 1ml of EO oil mate to prevent the sting from the prop. After doing this is was fine.

btw, wicked strength gains from that stuff !!!

Stats:

Weight:100kg and bulking
Bench: 160Kg
Squat: 180Kg x2
Deadlift: 210Kg

i too have ran the same mix, and no real problems apart from a slight pip which you'd expect fom prop.

so stew you are saying mix 1ml of eo oil with 1ml of gear?

250mg/ml of short esters is way too concentrated. I hope the EO you intend to dilute with is sterile filtered?

dont personally think the EO dilute makes any difference with high concentration blends. Just stick to your larger muscles for jabs and get the painkillers and hot water bottle rdy.

if it was me i would have bought all 3 meds seperate, but its too late for that lol

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firest0rm


First of all I wouldn't take what your mate says as gospel. Quads are perhaps the easiest muscle group to jab. You've not jabs before so you're what's called "opening the site". And you're using a high concentration of short esters to do this. I would imagine most people would feel a lot of pain. By all means use the EO oil and let us know if it helped.

I would have to disagree with this personally.  Quads are very easy to access and physically inject, but vary massively from user to user.  In the past I've done 100s of quad injections.  Around 33% of those (pharma test as well) resulted in painful quads for several days, limping, affecting my arthritis in joints, hurting to walk.  Exact same procedure for injection, very similar site.  It seemed pot luck.
 
Many, probably most don't have this problem though.  But I'm certainly not alone here as I know many people who get the random quad injection pain like me - unpredicatble and quite annoying!  however if you don't have this then yes they are great.
 
mcl

mad_cereal_lover

firest0rm


First of all I wouldn't take what your mate says as gospel. Quads are perhaps the easiest muscle group to jab. You've not jabs before so you're what's called "opening the site". And you're using a high concentration of short esters to do this. I would imagine most people would feel a lot of pain. By all means use the EO oil and let us know if it helped.

I would have to disagree with this personally.  Quads are very easy to access and physically inject, but vary massively from user to user.  In the past I've done 100s of quad injections.  Around 33% of those (pharma test as well) resulted in painful quads for several days, limping, affecting my arthritis in joints, hurting to walk.  Exact same procedure for injection, very similar site.  It seemed pot luck.
 
Many, probably most don't have this problem though.  But I'm certainly not alone here as I know many people who get the random quad injection pain like me - unpredicatble and quite annoying!  however if you don't have this then yes they are great.
 
mcl

Unfortunately on my current cycle I have to admit the limping and quad pain for 3 to 5 days after each shot is a discomfort and quite annoying to say the least -- I used them exclusively for 4 months last year for a sust cycle, UGL and it was fine, however I have some oil and scar tissue after test e UGL not agreeing with my system and as a result I have had to vary exactly where in the quad I have to jab and the pain is p*ssing me off, can't do quad stretch or sit on my ankles etc for days, doesn't apear to affect leg training though which is odd?

ta

Stats:

Weight:100kg and bulking
Bench: 160Kg
Squat: 180Kg x2
Deadlift: 210Kg

Am I allowed to ask where EO oil can be puchased? Im having the PIP problem at the moment.

Done 1ml 200/1 Prop and 1ml 100/1 Tren Ace into my right delt on monday and its still very painful and swollen. Will try the glute today but I need to be able to use the other sites regardless as Im on fact acting esthers.

Ta

The UG lab that supply the prop/tren/mast blend also sell EO mate. Its cheap too which is good.

jnr2006


The UG lab that supply the prop/tren/mast blend also sell EO mate. Its cheap too which is good.

Lol. What a farce. Supplying people with an over-concentrated product, then giving them something to dilute it back to normal concentrations with (only less sterile and more risky).

MrBigorexia

jnr2006


The UG lab that supply the prop/tren/mast blend also sell EO mate. Its cheap too which is good.

Lol. What a farce. Supplying people with an over-concentrated product, then giving them something to dilute it back to normal concentrations with (only less sterile and more risky).

exactly.

They will learn....eventually. But only if you stop buying such silly high dosed products!

Please DO NOT pm me with questions that can be legitimately asked on the board.

PartyBoy


They will learn....eventually. But only if you stop buying such silly high dosed products!

Yes and no!

Without discussing prices, if the EO oil works then it would be criminal to buy the lower dosed stuff.

Also I feel like Jonny concrete buying the 200/1 mix!

Irish Beast



if the EO oil works then it would be criminal to buy the lower dosed stuff.

The increasing risk of infections and abscesses does not make any saving worth it IMO.

I would have thought by using UG gear that the risk has already been accepted!

Irish Beast


I would have thought by using UG gear that the risk has already been accepted!

There is a fair chance that the original UG product will have been filtered and be (reasonably) sterile. Less likely that the separate EO will have been, even if bought USP grade before being rebottled. In either case, you are essentially multiplying the risks from an already non-pharm (and thus inherently more risky) product.

MrBigorexia

Irish Beast



if the EO oil works then it would be criminal to buy the lower dosed stuff.

The increasing risk of infections and abscesses does not make any saving worth it IMO.

Not sure i understand there mate, how does it make it any less sterile? You're now drawing from two vials, but as long as correct procedures followed risk is minimised? Plenty dose from more than one vial without problems. Genuinly curious by the way, not directly saying you are wrong by any means.

Unless you mean, a simple case of more useage of UG lab gear = more chance of infection due to the nature of UGLs.

All4n

MrBigorexia

Irish Beast



if the EO oil works then it would be criminal to buy the lower dosed stuff.

The increasing risk of infections and abscesses does not make any saving worth it IMO.

Not sure i understand there mate, how does it make it any less sterile? You're now drawing from two vials, but as long as correct procedures followed risk is minimised? Plenty dose from more than one vial without problems. Genuinly curious by the way, not directly saying you are wrong by any means.

Unless you mean, a simple case of more useage of UG lab gear = more chance of infection due to the nature of UGLs.

Refer to my previous post mate.

Cheers for advice but I will take my chances and save some cash.

Going to what I pump through my body a bit of EO oil is the least of my worries!

MrBigorexia

Refer to my previous post mate.

Sorry mate missed that, i think we posted at the same time.

I see what you're saying, guess it depends on how the lab operates? Whether it just buys in huge quantites of premade EO oil or looks into manufacture them selves? I guess it's another case of how much faith you put into the lab you're using.

MrBigorexia

Irish Beast


I would have thought by using UG gear that the risk has already been accepted!

There is a fair chance that the original UG product will have been filtered and be (reasonably) sterile. Less likely that the separate EO will have been, even if bought USP grade before being rebottled. In either case, you are essentially multiplying the risks from an already non-pharm (and thus inherently more risky) product.

That is pure speculation on your part do you exactly know that the EO is not sterile. I can buy pure sterile filtered grapeseed oil online surely a UGL will be using sterile EO.

My body is like a Walking Chemical Factory.

angelfan

MrBigorexia

Irish Beast


I would have thought by using UG gear that the risk has already been accepted!

There is a fair chance that the original UG product will have been filtered and be (reasonably) sterile. Less likely that the separate EO will have been, even if bought USP grade before being rebottled. In either case, you are essentially multiplying the risks from an already non-pharm (and thus inherently more risky) product.

That is pure speculation on your part do you exactly know that the EO is not sterile. I can buy pure sterile filtered grapeseed oil online surely a UGL will be using sterile EO.

Of course it's speculation. Do you know it is sterile?

You trust your source when my oil arrives it is clearly labeled up sterile filtered usp oil . I dont know if it is but I have injected it and never had any problems. sometimes you have to trust your source. Im sure you inject pharma stuff no problem But do you really really know whats in it No you dont it could be fake .

My body is like a Walking Chemical Factory.

angelfan


You trust your source when my oil arrives it is clearly labeled up sterile filtered usp oil . I dont know if it is but I have injected it and never had any problems. sometimes you have to trust your source. Im sure you inject pharma stuff no problem But do you really really know whats in it No you dont it could be fake .

mind if ask where you buy sterile filtered usp oil? i'm not saying you dont but the few companies that do sell it that are known in this industry are not actually selling it on sterile, it just is when they buy it. so dont be too sure it is sterile when you get it.

feel free to pm me if you think the link is against the board rules.

the EO i've used in the past says "Ethyl Oleate/Benzyl Alcohol" on the label and nothing regarding it being sterile. however, i have 100% faith in the UGL that its safe to use.

I have and will continue to use EO to help lessen the pain from using UG mixes.
I get really bad site pain from using Pharma sus ,so bad that I had to stop using it,next time I will be trying some EO with it to see if that helps.
I trust the EO I use is sterile the same way that I'm trusting the UG AAS I use are.

we all know what lab this high concentration mg per ml stuff is from yet we still buy it, i have used the test tren and mast mix at 400mg per ml (enanthate) and fcuk me did that leave me sore for a few days after so i got some eo oil and diluted 1ml with 1ml gear and im a little sore a day after but that it, happy daze. p.s eo oil was from same lab. cheap as chips (win win)

Intresting debate guys,

I got some EO oil just to use with BD prop as it gives me bad pip and its dosed at 100mg/ml.

Some of the UG labs are taking the piss though, selling 400-500mg products, i dont care what your injecting, half a gram/ per ML, of almost any AAS will give some PIP.

Ok you save some cash, but then u need to buy EO oil so you can walk properly.

 My dog ate my Tren

EO oil worked great, and cost does not come into it my source gets the oil free from the UGL so i got it free