200kg bench - would you believe this/possible without AAS?

no, no, no, no, no

sivvy1


no, no, no, no, no

That's a thoroughly convincing argument. As is the "if you tried a suit then you'd think differently"

Some people will prefer raw lifts, some will prefer assisted lifts.

Look on YouTube, there are even people who let their spotters assist them

Awesome pic, but Tony you're not doing yourself many favours posting up tips on preventing the gag reflex and then a picture of a guy touching his toes - Ak

sivvy1


i guarentee if you tried a suit/shirt you would think differently

Was that for me mate? I've tried some, but I guess you mean properly get used to them and train in them regularly, in which case maybe you're right

Then again it's a bit like saying I'm going to start liking olives. Some people like olives, fair play to them, but personally olives make me gag. I could try eating them every day and hope I started liking them, or I could not eat them

The powered exoskeleton bit was just my attempt at humour if that's what caught your eye! Something that used to get said in some of the old debates we had here is all lol

 
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There are 2 main ways to articically assist performance in the powerlifts; gear and gear :) 

Now this is going off topic now and getting into a powerlifting equipment debate. I suggest an other thread for that

Off course I think the original question has been answered ie it is possible to do a 200kg bench drug free. Its just very very hard and rare thing to do.

Stonehenge
 
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its like those chin up assistance machines, sure you put in most of the effort but the machine helps you to complete the reps because you are not strong enough.
So there's no point in saying you chin 15 reps etc

"i've never seen a shirt on its own bench 200kg bla blah blah"

fact of the matter is:

if you can only bench 180kg without a shirt, but 200kg with a shirt... IMO you can only bench 180kg

20kg doesnt magically come from the power of greyskull, it comes from the elastic tension effect of the shirt.

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I'm too tight to spend good money on an expensive shirt I'd only wear a few times a year. At my bodyweight (125-130+) I'd get pissed on from a great height by guys doing 300+ kilos so it's 'rawish' for me. By that I mean I'll use sweet FA warming up, I don't even like a big arch due to my usual on-going back problems (it's currently so bad walking is painful).

So I'll pop on my Boots brought knee sleeves on my elbows (actual elbow ones were too small) and wrist wraps and away I go.

The issue with the feds is no standard across the board. It's going to be hard to compare a 200-kilo 3 ply bench shirt assisted bench with a open back single ply bench shirt assisted bench. Hence the 'I am a world champion in my weight class' BS that we see. Those that lift completely raw argue that their way stops this being an issue. But as per one of the videos on here (shirted lifter) even the style can differ. Old school has your feet FLAT on the floor not tucked under you on tippy toe. I don't even like a hand off so spotting by a buddy is out (hence my liking a power rack bench press not a bench press bench style lift) yet a good hand off will help add 5-10-kilos to a lift.

Anyway assuming I don't end up walking over the road with a zimmer frame I still want to kick Sivvy's butt by being first to 200kg (ya know I luvs ya Sivvy LOL). 

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sivvy1


no, no, no, no, no

That's a thoroughly convincing argument. As is the "if you tried a suit then you'd think differently"

Some people will prefer raw lifts, some will prefer assisted lifts.

Look on YouTube, there are even people who let their spotters assist them

it just becomes tiresome hearing peoples opinions on things they know very very little about

i think you will mate, my benching is stale at the moment, but my push press if flying, aslong as something keeps moving!!!

yeah i think its very possible, with years of training great genetics, and strict diet.

Incredible Bulk


its like those chin up assistance machines,
 
Dosn't take skill to use the assistance machines

"i've never seen a shirt on its own bench 200kg bla blah blah"

fact of the matter is:

if you can only bench 180kg without a shirt, but 200kg with a shirt... IMO you can only bench 180kg

20kg doesnt magically come from the power of greyskull, it comes from the elastic tension effect of the shirt.
Quite right. If I can only bench 180kg (I wish lol) and bench 200kg in a shirt then I can still only bench 180kg. My equipped bench press pb is 200kg. They are different lifts

 
Looks like I carn't help myself continue to go off topic lolol
 

 

Stonehenge
 
Where the banshees live and they do live well

exactly

sivvy1

it just becomes tiresome hearing peoples opinions on things they know very very little about

I'm not having a go at you Sivvy1 - just questioning the things you've posted.

I don't think anybody said a shirt benched 200kg, but it would be very naieve to think that it didn't help

Awesome pic, but Tony you're not doing yourself many favours posting up tips on preventing the gag reflex and then a picture of a guy touching his toes - Ak

iaink

Incredible Bulk


its like those chin up assistance machines,
 
Dosn't take skill to use the assistance machines

"i've never seen a shirt on its own bench 200kg bla blah blah"

fact of the matter is:

if you can only bench 180kg without a shirt, but 200kg with a shirt... IMO you can only bench 180kg

20kg doesnt magically come from the power of greyskull, it comes from the elastic tension effect of the shirt.
Quite right. If I can only bench 180kg (I wish lol) and bench 200kg in a shirt then I can still only bench 180kg. My equipped bench press pb is 200kg. They are different lifts

 
Looks like I carn't help myself continue to go off topic lolol 
  

 
seems like you didnt see i replied before you posted
my reply took longer than 2 mins to type

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ofcourse it helps, but to say the shirt did all the work is just plain wrong,

who's said that...

did the shirt help with that extra 20kg...yes, otherwise why use it. if you cant lift the extra 20kg on your own its naieve to say the shirt only helps a smidge.

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Who said that the shirt did all the work?

Dammit now i'm an IB echo. Given my size perhaps more of an amplification

Awesome pic, but Tony you're not doing yourself many favours posting up tips on preventing the gag reflex and then a picture of a guy touching his toes - Ak

the way your talking your giving the impression that you think you put on a shirt, and bam, 20kg pb

this is wrong

your also giving the impression that you dont reaslise that powerlifters know the difference between shirted and unshirted numbers

which is also wrong


you have wrongness

so you put on a shirt and you bench less?

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Possible, yes, for a small amount of people with the necessary genetics and training, Marvin Eder is mentioned already, Reg Park also did 500lbs before the advent of AAS, I'm sure there are many others, all with tremendous genetics though.

These days, I don't know if I'd believe it. It's so very hard to tell whether people are genuinely without AAS or whether they've had a teensy bit of gear when they were younger, even if they didn't inhale.

Maybe you read it like that Sivvy1 but in all honesty i think you're getting the impression that's what is being said.

Nobody is being unfair to shirted lifts as far as i can see.

It's a superb argument of yours to say that i or anyone else has 'wrongness'

Well done. The Oxford Debating Society have just called and offered you a place

Awesome pic, but Tony you're not doing yourself many favours posting up tips on preventing the gag reflex and then a picture of a guy touching his toes - Ak

Incredible Bulk


so you put on a shirt and you bench less?

no

you equipped bench what you equipped bench, you unequipped bench what you unequipped bench

2 different excercises

essex_chris


Maybe you read it like that Sivvy1 but in all honesty i think you're getting the impression that's what is being said.

Nobody is being unfair to shirted lifts as far as i can see.

It's a superb argument of yours to say that i or anyone else has 'wrongness'

Well done. The Oxford Debating Society have just called and offered you a place

that wrongness is taking over, i would talk to your chums at oxford and see if they have a cure!!!

sivvy1

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so you put on a shirt and you bench less?

no

you equipped bench what you equipped bench, you unequipped bench what you unequipped bench

2 different excercises

 
thats not in contention...what is in contention is you seem to be swaying towards the argument that bench shirts do not help you lift a weight you cannot handle on your own.

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sivvy1


the way your talking your giving the impression that you think you put on a shirt, and bam, 20kg pb

you have wrongness

 
so what does a shirt do then... if not to help you press more weight than your strength allows?
 

 

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That's certainly the impression that your posts give anyway.

Awesome pic, but Tony you're not doing yourself many favours posting up tips on preventing the gag reflex and then a picture of a guy touching his toes - Ak

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sivvy1


the way your talking your giving the impression that you think you put on a shirt, and bam, 20kg pb

you have wrongness

 
so what does a shirt do then... if not to help you press more weight than your strength allows?
 

 

a shirt makes you feel like someone is trying to crush your chest, cut off your arms, and strangle you, all at the same time

eventually, yes a shirt will help, but it takes time to get one work work and forever to master

you don't half go around the houses sivvy1...

cut the BS and just say "yes a shirt will help you bench a weight you cannot handle at your current strength level" LMAO

i couldnt care less if it gave you an erotic tingle while wearing it, eventually or not, you wear it as it helps you lift more than you normally could without it.

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you stick to bb, i will stick to pl/sm ok?? lol

It gives you an erotic tingle?

These shirts. Where would a friend of mine procure one?

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debating isnt your fine point is it sivvy1 lol
 
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its hard to debate with someone who already has their mind made up and has never used or understood equipped bench press

you duck and dive questions...

answer this yes or no...or explain it, dont start rambling on about how the shirt makes you feel or telling me to stick to bodybuilding yadda yadda.

How can someone learn anything from your posts?

does wearing a bench shirt help you lift more weight than your current strength level allows?

yes....no....

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Come on Sivvy1 you should be able to justify your points.

This is not the finer points of astrophysics or brain chemistry and the effect it has on emotions we are talking about so pulling out the 'you've not used one' card won't wash.

It's clear that an assited lift takes skill. It's obvious that the lifter does the majority of the work.

I haven't made up my mind on the issue - i just know what i think about it now based on what i know and what others have written.

Making statements about 'have you seen a shirt press 200kg' or 'you've not used one so can't comment' is ridiculous.

Awesome pic, but Tony you're not doing yourself many favours posting up tips on preventing the gag reflex and then a picture of a guy touching his toes - Ak

Incredible Bulk


you duck and dive questions...

answer this yes or no...or explain it, dont start rambling on about how the shirt makes you feel or telling me to stick to bodybuilding yadda yadda.

How can someone learn anything from your posts?

does wearing a bench shirt help you lift more weight than your current strength level allows?

yes....no....

yes



just not straight away

essex_chris


Come on Sivvy1 you should be able to justify your points.

This is not the finer points of astrophysics or brain chemistry and the effect it has on emotions we are talking about so pulling out the 'you've not used one' card won't wash.

It's clear that an assited lift takes skill. It's obvious that the lifter does the majority of the work.

I haven't made up my mind on the issue - i just know what i think about it now based on what i know and what others have written.

Making statements about 'have you seen a shirt press 200kg' or 'you've not used one so can't comment' is ridiculous.

Ignoring your childish comments, im glad you appreciate that it takes skill to lift equipped, you seem to have changed your mind somewhat.

essex_chris

 To me anything other than raw and unassisted isn't worth competing as it's the suit competing not the lifter.

So you read 'isn't worth competing' and took it to mean what exactly?

I would still reiterate that point as it's still the suit aiding the lift, the lifter still only presses as much as they can press. Different suits aid the lift in different ways, no?

I never said that the suit did the lift. If it's lifters competing then it's clear how much the competition is between just them - introduce extra elements which are hard to gauge and that is why in my opinion competing equipped isn't worth doing.

I didn't say it wasn't worth lifting equipped - just the competing part gives over too much to the suit. This isn't a sport like F1 or competitive cycling where the equipment is essential to the sport - F1 would be pretty boring without the cars.

I think it's worth noting that the childish stuff starts with queries about suits lifting 200kg Sivvy1.

If you read my earlier post as saying that then you read it wrong. I haven't changed my mind at all.

If you said more than 'no,no,no, no' then i might be convinced but as yet i haven't heard much of a point.

Awesome pic, but Tony you're not doing yourself many favours posting up tips on preventing the gag reflex and then a picture of a guy touching his toes - Ak

you said its the suit competeing, which is wrong, you said it, so you are wrong, that was my point

If you want to be pedantic about it and not read between the lines of the point of my post then fair enough.

Clearly it doesn't mean that the suit does the lifting

Honestly did you read that post and take it to mean that?

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Big D

i know it's possible but how possible is it? i just doubt there are that many people out there that are clean that could get anywhere near a 200kg bench press and even those that can would be wearing a shirt.

should i have called bullsh1t?

I have done 227.5kg as a lifetime natural.
I also did 200kg x 5 & 180kg x 14.

All on bench, now when doing these lifts I had on neoprene elbow wraps and wrist wraps and that was it. I weighed 271lbs when I did the 501lb bench.

My brother benched 200kg once on the same day I did 227.5kg, he is lifetime natural, he was maybe 235-240lbs at the time, not sure.

So my answer is yes it is possible and no it is not common but I have seen it and done it.

Now I am getting older and am hoping to get back to benching biggish sometime soon. If I stay injury free I reckon I'd be good for a clean 180kg lift within 3-6 months of starting back.

Countdown has begun....

Wraps are basically for safety right? Strengthen the joint rather than assist the lift - granted they are an assistance of sort of course.

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