200kg bench - would you believe this/possible without AAS?

Elbow wraps as in the neoprene were to keep heat in the joint. The wrist wraps were part safety/ part mental but do they help you lift, probably but not like a bench shirt which I have never owned.

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That's certainly the impression that your posts give anyway.

One thing they do, and this is design dependant, is force you into the best path or groove. If you look at some images of different companies versions some have the sleeve at a right angle and some more slanted. It can be expensive finding which works with your groove and which you need to adapt to. Ergo the comment about simply popping one on and getting a PB is wrong.

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Ergo the comment about simply popping one on and getting a PB is wrong.

That much is certainly wrong for sure.

When competing in a federation presumably a type of shirt is specified and not a particular model. So in effect somebody could press a weight and come second, come back next time at the same raw press in a different suit and place better. That's where my comments about the suit competing - there are just too many variables once you step outside of raw pressing IMHO that places the competitive portion too much in favour of the suit.

I think the the lifts are impressive - but as was mentioned earlier that the WR is something like 715 raw and ~1050 suited is a bit silly to me. When a new suit comes out and the lift goes up again i'll think 'wow what a great suit' and it takes something away from the lifter.

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Spot on and the root cause of many a heated debate. As a AAS assisted lifter last year I helped load and spot at a lifetime natural lifters association event (UKDFPA). I'm not a member and was just there to watch but as per (and I don't mind) I was asked to help out.

Now I saw a bunch of very light lifters, all sexes, ages and weight classes, lifting with shirts on. One or two of the lifters were so light framed (polite way of saying 'man they were thin') the shirts were barely supportive at all. I then stood then, jaw agape, as they benched 60-kilos. A bar and a single 20-kilo plate a side and they were wearing shirt to do this at a regional championships. Now some were less than 60-kilos bodyweight but 1 plate a side and you have to wear a shirt?? Are you f@@king kidding me??

As good as I may be now it's taken me a hell of a long time to get to a 170 off gear and a 190 (thus far) on gear lift and I dislike the whole faffing around of putting a shirt on as much as I'd rather keep the cash but I'd be too damned red-faced to wear a shirt and do a plate a side. WTFH??

And that, right there, is where some feds have gone wrong.

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 Theres a guy at my uni who benched 190kg RAW at under 84 kg I think has gone heavier, just google Rob Palmer bench on you tube. If involved in powerlifting and training for that purpose I don't see why not, however you would need to be blessed with some god given talent as well.

just searched that dude on you tube dam hes strong!!!!

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Raw and equipped lifting are two different animals.   The numbers for each are not comparable. 

No equipped lifter for one second is claiming that the suits/shirts are not adding KGs to their lifts,  if they didn't what would be the point?

Why these debates sometimes get heated is due to throw away comments from people who are uneducated about equipped lifting.  Its all the suit/shirt etc.

Its much the same as your general muppet looking at a well built guy and saying its just the gear.  Most guys on here would get very defensive about such comments but then fail to see why comments of a similar vein would annoy an equipped lifter. 

As far as banging on a bench shirt and instantly nailing a PB its not going to happen.  If you simply went and bought a shirt, first off you probably wouldn't be able to get it on.  If you did get it on my bet would be you wouldn't get anywhere near touching your chest.  Thirdly chances are you'd lose your line and end up decapitating yourself.  

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I've only met one guy who could bench like that clean( 220kg )and that was after 8 years of total dedication, and being a twenty stone tank of a man who pushed a 120k the first time he walked in a gym. Based on that I will concur with the masses and say he was lying. Twat him with a 10k dunmbell

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Well this is an old chestnut if ever there was one lol, but I've never been a fan of the old powered exoskeletons myself

Shame they seem to be creeping into strongman more these days too. You can't beat a bit of actual raw lifting IMHO

Exactly. Its just not a true test of strength when you have help. Its like me saying I can bench 200kilos as long as my mate is helping me push up the bar!

I can too!

Fcuk me we're well strong innit

I've seen 200kg pressed naturally AND raw on more than one ocassion.

Enough said.

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I've seen 200kg pressed naturally AND raw on more than one ocassion.

Enough said.

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i replied with "was that shirted or not" and his response which made me think he was full of sh1t was "erm yeah an olympic bar"

hahaha, thats funny. I've noticed the most outspoken guys are usually full of **** and love to brag. Yeah you should have called bull****.

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I've seen 200kg pressed naturally AND raw on more than one ocassion.
Enough said.

 
The absence of a specific number leads me to believe that you mean twice. Was it the same person each time or different people ?

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Excellent post by Tony above, but then he has been there and done it. To all the raw fans who haven't tried shirted benching, my advice would be to try it, and I don't mean once, I mean for a while. Although it does sound and look ridculous, daft, bizarre and many other adjectives, once you get to know it, you will see that it does have many qualities that at first you simply did not see.

If raw bench equals the high jump, then shirted is the pole vault, a similar objective achieved by a very different method.

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  If benching 200k is something you aspire to. and you genuinely don't believe that you can do it without steroids,  then I find that pretty sad   - I mean sad in it's truest sense , ( I am not mocking anyone )
       Some people can not , and choose not think outside of the "Gear makes the world go round" box , but IMO a 200k natural bench is by no means out of the question for a dedicated lifter with good genetics and consistancy. 
        I have been around gyms for a while,  and another factor , is who is LIKELY to be lifting 200K   - your average recreational gear user would probably find loading the bar with 180k is too much work for them anyway , and they'd much rather be performing another 10 sets of leg raises or preacher curls    -  the kind of people that are more likely to load the bar with 180k are those with a passion for lifting  , and that passion (in the big picture) will take them a damn sight further in their lifting career than and steroid could ! 
    
    

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The first couple of times I tried on a bench shirt, I managed to lift slightly less than my raw PB.

I didn't persist with equipped lifting.

Dr Z; it's all well and good aspiring to a 200KG bench sans gear, but fact is it will be beyond the vast majority of poeple unless a) you have outstanding talent at pressing b) you naturally very large or c) bit of both. Obviously it then requires the addition of some high focus and determination.

A 200kg bench press, without both types of gear, is out of the question for most lifters.

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Dr Z; it's all well and good aspiring to a 200KG bench sans gear, but fact is it will be beyond the vast majority of poeple unless a) you have outstanding talent at pressing b) you naturally very large or c) bit of both. Obviously it then requires the addition of some high focus and determination.

A 200kg bench press, without both types of gear, is out of the question for most lifters.

   Well of course it is  !  but these people - ( a) you have outstanding talent at pressing b) you naturally very large or c) bit of both.  )   do exist , and by nature they tend to gravitate towards lifting -  so the concept of a 200k natural , unequipped bench is not (generally) that difficult for me to grasp . 
        Not saying everyone should be able to do it , but I don't see a 200k raw bench as an immediete  B.S. flag 

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I like Fat Pete's high jump/pole vault analogy. Both sports have an end result of a measurement of how high is jumped. Both have different means of achieving that end result. To compare the two would be ludicrous.

Taking it further though, If you were an excellent high jumper and you were given a pole and asked to attempt a slightly higher jump but this time with the aid of the pole, you would most likely struggle as your technique would be non-existent. Failure would ensue. Some practice with the pole would probably result in a higher jump being achieved after some time and you could add a new PB of highest 'pole assisted jump'.

However. if someone were to ask what your highest jump was and you claimed your pole-assisted version without qualifying the means used to achieve that, then you would be guilty of massaging the truth somewhat. More accurately, you should state you raw jump AND your pole-assisted as they are two quite distinct and different jumps.

I see your point better Dr Z.

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That is a great analogy.

Theoretically it would be interesting to see how a high jump vs pole vault thread would turn out - this is not intended as inflammatory, but i suspect that a pole vaulter would not so easily get the hump about it being suggested that the pole did a lot of the work when comparisons between wood, fibre glass and carbon fibre poles started cropping up.

"i've never seen a pole jump 6metres, have you?"

LMC is right about the switch between the two disciplines. Any sensible discussion is always going to have a few givens - one being that neither lifter nor assistance equipment do all of the work

It's a fair way to compare the discussion

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Thought I'd point out that a powerlifter dosn't get the hump when it's pointed out their equipment helps them lift more. We don't go through that pain for a pat on the back! Powerlifters get the hump when people are dissmive, suggest it's somehow easy to do, and take the piss :)

I must however add that in the main this thread has been clear of that!

The jumping anaglogy is a fair one. As it makes a clear the distinction between the 2 lifts.

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I am sure it would be possible, same as a certain man walking on water

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Thought I'd point out that a powerlifter dosn't get the hump when it's pointed out their equipment helps them lift more. We don't go through that pain for a pat on the back! Powerlifters get the hump when people are dissmive, suggest it's somehow easy to do, and take the piss :)

I must however add that in the main this thread has been clear of that!

The jumping anaglogy is a fair one. As it makes a clear the distinction between the 2 lifts.

well said iain!!

Actually, the high jump/pole vault analogy would be more accurate if, to use the pole, rather than simply pick it up and take a firm grasp of it you had to contort your fist into such a position that it barely fitted the shape of the pole and during the course of the jump left your palm with severe bruising. I think that's a valid inclusion to the analogy.

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I am sure it would be possible, same as a certain man walking on water

You really think a 200kg bench drug free is impossible? I have seen a couple in my time as an unequipped powerlifter. Given the size of em I doubt either of em could walk on water!

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I am sure it would be possible, same as a certain man walking on water

You really think a 200kg bench drug free is impossible? I have seen a couple in my time as an unequipped powerlifter. Given the size of em I doubt either of em could walk on water!

no ofcourse not, but if my first post in like 6 mnths wasn't slightly controversial then it just wouldn't feel right.
They could run on custard though!!

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Given the number of boating accidents sivvy has had, he's best clear of water! ;) Hope you've sorted that crusie out pal?

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not quite, bit of a joke to be honest!!

I've managed 180kg raw and am natural and that was after 60kg x 8, 80kg x 8, 100kg x 8, 125kg x 8, 150kg x 6 then 180kg x 1 just to see if i could do it.  Would love to do 200kg as my goal was 180.

Apparently at a natural bench press competition at Monster Gym in Cheshunt some bloke benched 230kg or something massive.  Would love to see someone moving that sort of weight shirted or not its very impressive!

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Good benching there.   Because of this thread i've decided to do a month of trying to increase my strength in benching so did a whole lot of benching last nite (140kg x 10, 8, 6 and then 4).  Gonna try to get it back up to my PB of 180kg by xmas.

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essex chris you should train more and post less

In your humble opinion sivvy1

People should certainly pull their neck in a touch when being dismissive of something. I know i can say hand on heart that i don't dismiss shirted/suited lifts. Almost any lifting is a real achievement and a positive thing.

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I must however add that in the main this thread has been clear of that!

Pretty much how i've looked at the thread. I'm always prepared to have anything i post questioned or challenged. Doesn't bother me in the slightest.

I'd just settle in the medium term to reach a 150kg lift. Absolute max for me is ~120kg but i doubt the form would have passed in a comp!

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i doubt the form would have passed in a comp

Cue another 8 pages on comp lifts vs BBer lifts

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