200kg bench - would you believe this/possible without AAS?

Papa Lazarou


Good benching there.   Because of this thread i've decided to do a month of trying to increase my strength in benching so did a whole lot of benching last nite (140kg x 10, 8, 6 and then 4).  Gonna try to get it back up to my PB of 180kg by xmas.

Whether this is possible for me naturally, I dunno

Strange how the whole rep thing works. The most I've ever repped heavy is 150 and that was for a few sets of 3 reps. Yet I've done 190kg for a single. Indeed multiple singles with 80-90% of my 1RM work for me way better than any rep work. It may be a muscle fibre type thing (ie: I'm not set for reps).

I'm also working with at least 1, poss two lads to get them to do some new 1RM PB's this xmas. One has a 120kg 1RM and I think, with all the tips and tricks which can be used, I can get him to a (or around) 140-kilo single.

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Papa - the 1RM calculators would give you a predicted 1RM of at least 186kg based on your numbers above. If the 10 reps wasn't to failure then the predicted figure would be slightly higher still.

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TBH I tend to stay lighter and go for pump normally - just thought i'd do something leading up to xmas for a change.  Mixing it up may help growth however

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LMC - no spotter so unassisted to failure, with a spotter I could have prolly pushed 11.

My weakness is my previously torn but healed shoulder tho - at what point does it snap LOL

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As far as banging on a bench shirt and instantly nailing a PB its not going to happen. If you simply went and bought a shirt, first off you probably wouldn't be able to get it on. If you did get it on my bet would be you wouldn't get anywhere near touching your chest. Thirdly chances are you'd lose your line and end up decapitating yourself.

LMAO - this is so true. My brother bought an Inzer bench shirt. Got it and bloody knuckles later, it is too small, short etcetera. It was for a 110kg lifter and he was 110kg! Not a chance in hell of getting it on. In fact it has never been worn. Still has it somewhere!

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The old style were notorius for being absolute murder to get on. Two and sometimes three helpers and blood spots around the neck and sleeves. The last few years we've effectively banned them from our Xmas friendly / whey ower challenge because of the faffing about involved.

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I've seen 200kg pressed naturally AND raw on more than one ocassion.
Enough said.

 
The absence of a specific number leads me to believe that you mean twice. Was it the same person each time or different people ?

As usual, couldnae be bothered expanding
 
It woz two different people on two seperate ocassions, both bang on 200kg and natural as well as unequipped.  Impressive!
 
Rumour has it that a lad on the I.O.W has pressed 300kg raw but assisted.  Owner of gym and a few lads I train with said it was a guid rep but I have to see it to believe it.  If so, world class! (this was a guid few years ago though so don't think I'll be able to confirm)

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Joined just to answer this thread, a friend lifted 200kg last night i'm the spotter on the left, (sad old one) he has never taken any roids and he was not aided in any way.
http://www.youtube.com/wa...eature=player_embedded
 
I think he just has lots of determination, I can remember him at about 10 and a half stone nearly 10 years ago.
My pb is a mere 127kg but I would like to get 150kg, just keep picking up rotator cuff injuries.
 
As to wether AAS make or shirts make a difference of course they do, but someone still has to pick up lots of weight still had to put the time and effort in.

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Joined just to answer this thread, a friend lifted 200kg last night i'm the spotter on the left, (sad old one) he has never taken any roids and he was not aided in any way.
http://www.youtube.com/wa...eature=player_embedded

I think he just has lots of determination, I can remember him at about 10 and a half stone nearly 10 years ago.
My pb is a mere 127kg but I would like to get 150kg, just keep picking up rotator cuff injuries.

As to wether AAS make or shirts make a difference of course they do, but someone still has to pick up lots of weight still had to put the time and effort in.

if natural that's quite strong but technically thats no way a proper 200kg bench press more of a bounce press

Big D


ok so usually i dont care what people say they can lift, but this one well the circumstances around it annoyed me a little.

i was basically being judged for using AAS, which i usually dont mind but then this one bloke as we're walking out the door pipes up to me "i can bench 200kg" this is after looking down his nose at me for using AAS.

i replied with "was that shirted or not" and his response which made me think he was full of sh1t was "erm yeah an olympic bar"

now i would assume that anyone who can bench press 200kg would know what a bench shirt is, i'd also assume they took AAS, this bloke was pretty big he was thick set but not lean at all so he had a powerlifter look to him, albeit a bit smaller and he was short so looked prime for benching with his stumpy little arms.

i know it's possible but how possible is it? i just doubt there are that many people out there that are clean that could get anywhere near a 200kg bench press and even those that can would be wearing a shirt.

should i have called bullsh1t?

I believe it is possible, but I would imagine it would take years and years of very dedicated strength training and some decent strength genetics.  I wouldn't believe 99% of people who told me they could bench 200kg, let along claim that and claim to be steroid free.

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Joined just to answer this thread, a friend lifted 200kg last night i'm the spotter on the left, (sad old one) he has never taken any roids and he was not aided in any way.
http://www.youtube.com/wa...eature=player_embedded

I think he just has lots of determination, I can remember him at about 10 and a half stone nearly 10 years ago.
My pb is a mere 127kg but I would like to get 150kg, just keep picking up rotator cuff injuries.

As to wether AAS make or shirts make a difference of course they do, but someone still has to pick up lots of weight still had to put the time and effort in.

if natural that's quite strong but technically thats no way a proper 200kg bench press more of a bounce press

TBH I'd give him that, he still did the work I think, even if it wouldn't count at a PL meet.

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Maybe a bounce but still bloody heavy.
He's natural now but dont know for how long, couple of serious users have joined our gym and their gains are really making him take notice.

Yeah it's possible, just takes the right focus and determination. You wouldn't even need amazing genetics. Just a fair bit above average genetics. Saying that even with average genetics and massive amounts of focus and many years of lifting you'd get there eventually. Lifting is a pretty rewarding sport with determination.
 
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Saying that even with average genetics and massive amounts of focus and many years of lifting you'd get there eventually.

 
Funny then that at most PL meets 99.9% of people cannot bench 200kg unequipped. The figure is only margnally less in none-tested feds.
 
Think I have seen approx 6 +200kg unequipped benches in the 2 tested feds I have lifted for. I've lifted in 23 meets. Average of 3 flights per meet so call it approx 40 flights of benching. Say 10 lifters per flight and 3 lifts per bench and thats 1200 benches I have been around at meets. Lots of approx there but that number will be conservative. Whilst I don't actually watch every lift I do when a 200 plus bench is going down. But let's assume my memory is bad and there's actually been 10 +200kg benches that have occured in meets I've lifted at. So thats 10 +200kg in 1200 lifts.... and do you know what thats 99.9% lol I honestly didn't work backwards on this post!
 
Anyhoo.. it leads me to believe you have naturally got to be set up to be a very good pressor to bench +200kg sans drugs or a bench shirt. Plus I have never seen anyone under a 100kg class do it. Which also leads me to believe as well as a good presser you have to be on the large side too.

iaink

Saying that even with average genetics and massive amounts of focus and many years of lifting you'd get there eventually.

Funny then that at most PL meets 99.9% of people cannot bench 200kg unequipped. The figure is only margnally less in none-tested feds.

Think I have seen approx 6 +200kg unequipped benches in the 2 tested feds I have lifted for. I've lifted in 23 meets. Average of 3 flights per meet so call it approx 40 flights of benching. Say 10 lifters per flight and 3 lifts per bench and thats 1200 benches I have been around at meets. Lots of approx there but that number will be conservative. Whilst I don't actually watch every lift I do when a 200 plus bench is going down. But let's assume my memory is bad and there's actually been 10 +200kg benches that have occured in meets I've lifted at. So thats 10 +200kg in 1200 lifts.... and do you know what thats 99.9% lol I honestly didn't work backwards on this post!

Anyhoo.. it leads me to believe you have naturally got to be set up to be a very good pressor to bench +200kg sans drugs or a bench shirt. Plus I have never seen anyone under a 100kg class do it. Which also leads me to believe as well as a good presser you have to be on the large side too.

Kirk must be about 100kg. His diet is pretty intense, not manicly low fat but collossal protein (chicken/fish/shakes) and 5/6 days a week training. Like I said before he has been training for 10 years or so, so a lot of work to get to this stage. And he likes bench pressing and shoulder press and dips.

iaink

Saying that even with average genetics and massive amounts of focus and many years of lifting you'd get there eventually.

Funny then that at most PL meets 99.9% of people cannot bench 200kg unequipped. The figure is only margnally less in none-tested feds.

Think I have seen approx 6 +200kg unequipped benches in the 2 tested feds I have lifted for. I've lifted in 23 meets. Average of 3 flights per meet so call it approx 40 flights of benching. Say 10 lifters per flight and 3 lifts per bench and thats 1200 benches I have been around at meets. Lots of approx there but that number will be conservative. Whilst I don't actually watch every lift I do when a 200 plus bench is going down. But let's assume my memory is bad and there's actually been 10 +200kg benches that have occured in meets I've lifted at. So thats 10 +200kg in 1200 lifts.... and do you know what thats 99.9% lol I honestly didn't work backwards on this post!

Anyhoo.. it leads me to believe you have naturally got to be set up to be a very good pressor to bench +200kg sans drugs or a bench shirt. Plus I have never seen anyone under a 100kg class do it. Which also leads me to believe as well as a good presser you have to be on the large side too.

Yeah but a lot of powerlifters have average genetics, it's not like powerlifting is an olympic sport and has sports teams at school....a lot of the talent has been soaked up by other sports. Then you have weight classes meaning people stay at lower weights and actually weaker to stay competitive. 10-15 years of heavy lifting for an average genetics person with them eating loads and not caring about fat gains and a lot of them could achieve a 200kg bench press. Just that most never will try. The person that bumped this thread's mate is a great example of that.
 
Lets take Tom Martin for an example, everyone says he's a genetic freak etc but he started off benching 30kg, squatting 50kg and deadlifting 60kg...now he is talented in terms of muscle fibre and he's a talented deadlifter because he has long arms....but those long arms make it hard for him to bench. But a lot of people that call him a genetic freak forget he was squatting 14 times a week(heavy) when he pulled his 350kg WR and trains twice a day most days. Yet at like 85kg he's benched 170kg natural and he's only young, now what happens if he decides he doesn't care about the 83kg class and just wants to get as strong as possible and bulks up to over 100kg? he will be benching 200kg in less than a year. His bench is still impressive but not a strength of his or something he's natrually gifted in, but unsurprisingly he trains it 3 times a week heavy. If average people trained with that dedication they would be classed as genetically gifted lifters.
 
Lifting weights is one of the most rewarding sports when putting effort it. Well tbh I'm comparing it to sprinting, which is the least rewarding sport in terms of effort.

I think I've seen 2 people do 200kg and they were PED users.
I've done 190kg myself. I reckon I could do 200kg if I geared myself toward it for a few weeks.
 
Not sure I've ever seen a natural bench past 140kg.
 
 

Yeah I agree with Hugh Jackman, any one can do it and of course most wont because most people dont concentrate so much time/effort to benching. You have to be a bit obsessed with those numbers going up week after week especially whenn you plateau and have to try harder/different. I dont think i will ever hit 200kgand if  I did I would be 20st with my lousy diet. But I want 150kg. Bad.

That's a bit of a ropey bench, but he's bloody lifted it IMO - I'd of dislocated my shoulder and crushed some ribs..!!
 
Heaviest I ever benched was 120 for reps in my early 20s - techinque was arse, and RCs got damaged. Yay for ego benching

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Hugh; you are correct PL is a small sport so therefore you can scale it up to the general population. However it's still a sitgnificant group of people trying very, very hard to bench as much as possible.
 
Tom Martin is a poor example, for one he is clearly an excellent lifter all round lifter. Arm length is only 1 factor in benching and I've seen +200kg in people with longer arms than Tom's. People are suggesting that the 'average' person can bench 200kg without PEDs, just enough hard work  a la Tom Martin (whom is able to train pretty much like a full time athlete). This is incorrect.

You bring up training like a full time athlete and this is my point. With the right dedication, a long time frame and not caring about your weight an average person can bench 200kg.
 
Thing is dedicated lifters are never classed as average, they're seen as genetic freaks due to their dedication.
 
The true genetic freaks of lifting are the top boys, the people like Andy Bolton and Jack Mac who the first time they deadlifted did 270kg and 260kg. The likes of Mark Clegg and Tom  Martin never put those kind of numbers up first time, they just trained basically full time and dedicated themselves to the sport and then get called genetic freaks after years and years of being dedicated.

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That's a bit of a ropey bench, but he's bloody lifted it IMO - I'd of dislocated my shoulder and crushed some ribs..!!

Heaviest I ever benched was 120 for reps in my early 20s - techinque was arse, and RCs got damaged. Yay for ego benching

Yeah his first attempt at over 180kg, wishes he did 205kg though, thinks he would have got it. Normally he reps at 170/175.
Me, I rep 95/100 but i'm getting back to my best. Last two years I did both rc's out 7 months with the right one would not heal properly. been back training for about 4 months now, but i'm not rushing at all now taking it nice and slow.

IMO he would not have lifted the 205.
 
Trust me it's a massive jump and when at or near limits very easy to fail with an extra 2+kgs on the bar.
 
The lift was ok - down and up - bit of a bounce but I have seen far worse.
 
If it was me - I would now can the bench for 6-8 weeks and do all incline work and when he hits 200kg on the incline go back and do some benching!
 
The goal has to be 227.5kg - 501lbs.
 
It was for me at any rate.

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IMO he would not have lifted the 205.

Trust me it's a massive jump and when at or near limits very easy to fail with an extra 2+kgs on the bar.

The lift was ok - down and up - bit of a bounce but I have seen far worse.

If it was me - I would now can the bench for 6-8 weeks and do all incline work and when he hits 200kg on the incline go back and do some benching!

The goal has to be 227.5kg - 501lbs.

It was for me at any rate.

I will tell him about the incline, he will try it he tries everything. Dont think he is going for another pb till he reps 190 5/6 so plenty of time.

Hugh_Jackman

You bring up training like a full time athlete and this is my point. With the right dedication, a long time frame and not caring about your weight an average person can bench 200kg.

 
To be frank that simply isn't the case. At what point during human evolution did we require the ability to bench 200kg? Never - we got smart, our bodys got weak. Compared to our monkey friends, we're pathetically weak.
 
To say that most folk could bench 200kg if they got fat and benched every day of their life for 10s of years is beyond speculative. As per the pretty good mathmatical example above, it won't happen.... if it did, the natural powerlifting records would be a lot higher - open unequipped BDFPA bench record is 230.5kg - at a bodyweight of 145kg+ - http://www.bdfpa.co.uk/records/GBRMUS.pdf - that is a long way from 'average' - but a mere 30kg beyond what you are saying is attainable for the masses

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It's nice to know that with another 6 years lifting I will be able to bench 200kg. Although you may class me as under average because of my height.
 
You make out like the 'average guy' can put on huge amounts of body weight. There will come a point when someone reaches their genetic LBM potential and so everything after is just fat.

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Bench press WR is well over 300kg's....Looking at particular powerlfiting federations records isn't the best way.
 
Average genetics are usually decent anyway....What's that 5ft 10-11 and 12-13 stone. With the right dedication they could bench 200kg. Most people don't lift to get as strong as possible, most don't want to get fat, most haven't got a clue how to do it and most just haven't got the dedication.
 
Your average commercial gym actually attracts a lot of people with crap genetics and they're insecure about their body and thus want to change it.
 
200kg for an average bloke definitely would be a massive achievement, but seriously if they ate everything in site, had a clear plan of how to achieve it and spent a decade doing it, they'd get there.

jack5r


It's nice to know that with another 6 years lifting I will be able to bench 200kg. Although you may class me as under average because of my height.

You make out like the 'average guy' can put on huge amounts of body weight. There will come a point when someone reaches their genetic LBM potential and so everything after is just fat.

Fat and extra weight would help you in the bench press though, by quite a lot.
 
As soon as people start cutting the 2 lifts that go down are bench and squat. Whereas deadlift isn't actually that effected by weight loss.  The opposite also happens, so adding fat helps in bench and squat.
 
The thing that would stop you achieving benching 200kg is vanity, if you was prepared to get fat you'd achieve it. Also you'd probably have to become more dedicated to the cause.

A black guy down my gym,benches 200kg for 4-5 reps,weighs in at 14'10,completely rips the piss out of people who use steroids.
 
So of course it's possible,just unlikely for the majority.

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jack5r


It's nice to know that with another 6 years lifting I will be able to bench 200kg. Although you may class me as under average because of my height.

You make out like the 'average guy' can put on huge amounts of body weight. There will come a point when someone reaches their genetic LBM potential and so everything after is just fat.

Fat and extra weight would help you in the bench press though, by quite a lot.

As soon as people start cutting the 2 lifts that go down are bench and squat. Whereas deadlift isn't actually that effected by weight loss.  The opposite also happens, so adding fat helps in bench and squat.

The thing that would stop you achieving benching 200kg is vanity, if you was prepared to get fat you'd achieve it. Also you'd probably have to become more dedicated to the cause.

Have to agree, Kirk tries stripping fat every couple of years, bench suffers so it goes out the window. When he had problems keeping tuna down he started adding it to a shake blended with egg as well, its foul but he gets the stuff in him.

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The average person could train till man can teleport, and would never lift 200kg, most people fail to do it with the massive help of AAS.
 
That’s not to say that some can’t do it, of course they can, but they are genetic freaks.
 

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Hugh_Jackman

Bench press WR is well over 300kg's....Looking at particular powerlfiting federations records isn't the best way.

 
BDFPA is drug free, that was my point

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LOL - bit of a bump this one ! 
 
     Lets look from a different angle -
 
   Lets agree , there are two kinds of people in the world , those that CAN bench 200 , and those that can't ,  OK   ?  
         Do you think that the difference between these two groups it (in the large part )  Gear ?  
        Personally I think not -  I think of those that CAN lift 200k+  the majority would be able to bench 200k (or near as damn it)   with or without gear
         Or , again from another angle  -  those that CAN'T -  Do you think you could simply ADD gear , shake them up and down for a bit , and then watch them evolve into 200K+ pressers ?  -Again I feel you may get a few that would respond in this way  - but they'd be in the minority. 
       My point is , you are either a 200k presser or you aren't  -  the gear is neither here nor there  !  Of course the majority of naturals can't bench 200k , but then the majority of Gear users can't either. 
 

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The average person could train till man can teleport, and would never lift 200kg, most people fail to do it with the massive help of AAS.

That’s not to say that some can’t do it, of course they can, but they are genetic freaks.

The person who bumped this threads mate done it....from the sounds of it he's not a genetic freak. Just very dedicated to the cause.
 
People just don't realise what dedicated is when training. Read some journals of weightlifters and it will come clear.

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Hugh_Jackman

Bench press WR is well over 300kg's....Looking at particular powerlfiting federations records isn't the best way.

BDFPA is drug free, that was my point

Pretty much all the best lifters lift equipped anyway. So once again the records aren't always the clear picture. Also we're not talking about paused here really, we're talking more touch and go in the gym lift, big difference.

I am well aware that muscle, fat, water and glycogen weight are all variables which effect strength. How many people under 6 ft have benched 200kg? Also why stop at 200kg, could the average man bench 220 or 250 with enough deadication?

What your saying is as redicules as saying the average man can run a sub 10 seconds 100m with enough 'dedication' because i know of one guy who can.

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