200kg bench - would you believe this/possible without AAS?

ok so usually i dont care what people say they can lift, but this one well the circumstances around it annoyed me a little.

i was basically being judged for using AAS, which i usually dont mind but then this one bloke as we're walking out the door pipes up to me "i can bench 200kg" this is after looking down his nose at me for using AAS.

i replied with "was that shirted or not" and his response which made me think he was full of sh1t was "erm yeah an olympic bar"

now i would assume that anyone who can bench press 200kg would know what a bench shirt is, i'd also assume they took AAS, this bloke was pretty big he was thick set but not lean at all so he had a powerlifter look to him, albeit a bit smaller and he was short so looked prime for benching with his stumpy little arms.

i know it's possible but how possible is it? i just doubt there are that many people out there that are clean that could get anywhere near a 200kg bench press and even those that can would be wearing a shirt.

should i have called bullsh1t?

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Fat Pete has done 205 if i'm not mistaken

when he said "erm yeah an olympic bar" you should have first slapped him upside the head, and then said "no, you cretin! were you wearing a bench shirt?"
im sure there are a few natties that can bench 200k raw, but they would be few and far between, and definitely a succesful competitive powerlifter. if this man is not, then you should have called bullsh*t.

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Well if the genetics are 100% perfect then there is a possibility but in 99.9% of cases i'd say it would be unrealistic. I turned to the darkside long before 100k lol

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He can probably bounce 200kg off his chest with the help of a rower spotter

As for people being natural or not, with strangers I just assume nobody is natural these days, the number of people using has increased dramatically since just ten years ago IMO

I'd have queried it. Had i been wrong i wouldn't have had a lot to lose.

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i benched 185kg at 19 years old natural and raw (touch and go)

fat petes 205 was shirted, but technically sublime and would have passed in any competition

i hope you can hit 200kg naturaly as thats what my goal is. i can do 150kg at the moment so quite some way to go yet before i hit it. why didnt you ask him to prove it to you?

Age 19..

IMO it is possible.

 Theres a guy at my uni who benched 190kg RAW at under 84 kg I think has gone heavier, just google Rob Palmer bench on you tube. If involved in powerlifting and training for that purpose I don't see why not, however you would need to be blessed with some god given talent as well.

shread06


i hope you can hit 200kg naturaly as thats what my goal is. i can do 150kg at the moment so quite some way to go yet before i hit it. why didnt you ask him to prove it to you?

it wasnt in the gym, we dont even train in the same city, but if i see him again i'm going to pull him on it.

shread06


i hope you can hit 200kg naturaly as thats what my goal is. i can do 150kg at the moment so quite some way to go yet before i hit it. why didnt you ask him to prove it to you?

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i wouldnt have put this bloke in the same class as fat pete as a lifter either.

i think that alone answers my question.

It's definatley possible for some people, but judging by his response to your question, i suspect he's full of bs.

when he said that, you should have said "awesome mate, thats pretty strong. so how much can you squat and deadlift"
at which point he says "what are squat and deadlift?"

calm down, its life, mate, its only a game

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shread06


i hope you can hit 200kg naturaly as thats what my goal is. i can do 150kg at the moment so quite some way to go yet before i hit it. why didnt you ask him to prove it to you?

it wasnt in the gym, we dont even train in the same city, but if i see him again i'm going to pull him on it.

ahh right and deffinantly pull him on it nothing better than someone making excuses to get out of it if there telling lies and if he does do it then its something cool to see lol
 
cheers blue i posted my 145kg bench vid up on here about 1-2 months ago

Age 19..

Of course 200kg without AAS is possible. People benched that before AAS become available to lifters many years ago.

But I'd say this guy is full of ****. No see no bench.

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i benched 185kg at 19 years old natural and raw (touch and go)

fat petes 205 was shirted, but technically sublime and would have passed in any competition

Sivvy that was fcuking strong at 19 and natural good going, what you putting up these days?

Ive seen only one person bench 200kg who i believe was natural. I think the chance of a 200kg raw and without gear is TINY.

Just how much assistance is a shirt? Can some people please post their  lifts with and without shirt to give me idea please.

Thanks

Irish Beast


Just how much assistance is a shirt? Can some people please post their  lifts with and without shirt to give me idea please.

Thanks

Anywere from 10%-60% carry over mate, varies from how tight the shirt and just the person in genral.

I know a few guys whose benching I'm dubious of, one reckoned he could bench 180kg, of course none of them say they can bench that much now. They might be getting kg and pounds mixed up I suspect, ie this tiny/well skinny guy reckoned he could bench 90kg for reps, when it might have been 45 pounds each side, or 60kg, which is how much he can bench now apparently.

Well, the raw record is 715, the shirted is approaching 1100 pounds!

Not everyone touches the bar to their chest of course, so the ROM might be lacking.

War Lord


Not everyone touches the bar to their chest of course, so the ROM might be lacking.

although you can actually "bench" more weight by bouncing the bar off your chest, than stopping an inch short of your chest.

calm down, its life, mate, its only a game

Scott32

Irish Beast


Just how much assistance is a shirt? Can some people please post their  lifts with and without shirt to give me idea please.

Thanks

Anywere from 10%-60% carry over mate, varies from how tight the shirt and just the person in genral.

More like 0-100+.. my best raw bench is 265lbs, best shirted is 450lbs

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Really! Didn't know that.

I remember having this conversation before but Im gonna start it again cos I dont remember the outcome!

Why dont they just ban them? Surely a better shirt would give you an advantage over a lesser shirt?

cricket_fire


More like 0-100+.. my best raw bench is 265lbs, best shirted is 450lbs

Big carry over mate, i would say carry-overs like that are few and far between.

Bet your shirts tight.. any struggle to bring it down to your chest? Ive tried a couple on and the last one was super tight, couldnt bring 180kg down to my chest lol! Left me with some nice brusing as well.

I have seen a few people do this at power lifting comps.

While many people will never get to 200kg bench. There are a few people who can do far more than 200kg raw and natural.

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I think the chance of a 200kg raw and without gear is TINY.

Even with gear is small! LOL

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cricket_fire


More like 0-100+.. my best raw bench is 265lbs, best shirted is 450lbs

Bet your shirts tight.. any struggle to bring it down to your chest? Ive tried a couple on and the last one was super tight, couldnt bring 180kg down to my chest lol! Left me with some nice brusing as well.

Neither could I, well, not under any sort of control anyway!!!!
 
 

LMC, thats got me written all over it, if your not used to a shirt it just feels strange, takes a while to get good at it. Totally differant excersise bench pressing is when you bring a shirt into it.

Ive got a 170kg bench raw, shirted i havnt even achieved that due to it just feeling odd.

My bench is sh1t with or without gear!!!!
Ive never seen a genuine clean 200kg but have seen it done by a 'user'.
Obviously it can be done, the chances of it are very small.

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Wha do people mean in there opinion it is possible?? of course it is bloody possible for "certain" people which are probably very rare.

I know a lad who is big strong athletic and can bench 200kg has never trained seriously and never intends to do steroids,its just strength he naturally has.

Some people are weak fukers some are strong.

The guy in question sounds like a pillock anyway and I wouldn't give a sh1t what he could bench.

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Few and far between in most gyms I would say, with or without gear. Definitely possible natural but that guy sounds like a grade A bullsh1tter tbh

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Irish Beast

Fat Pete has done 205 if i'm not mistaken

Your memory does you credit, but that was shirted. Without shirt my best (to competition standard) is 172.5.

I know of one man who has and still can do 200 without shirt or drugs. I personally have seen him do 227.5 and I know he has done 250. But he is a world class bencher, a surperb talent. His best ever squat and deadlift are similar to mine, but his bench is in a different league. He is a joy to watch, it's like watching a fish swim, I don't know how it does it but I do know that is how it should be done.

He is the only one though. Even Alan, the coach, who is now in his 70s said that he was the only one he had seen. Rare, very rare.

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Irish Beast


Just how much assistance is a shirt? Can some people please post their  lifts with and without shirt to give me idea please.

172.5 / 205 for me.

It can vary a lot. There are many types of shirt to start with depending on which federation you lift in.

For single ply, a ballpark figure is 20 percent extra, but as I say it can vary a lot

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Wha do people mean in there opinion it is possible?? of course it is bloody possible for "certain" people which are probably very rare.

I know a lad who is big strong athletic and can bench 200kg has never trained seriously and never intends to do steroids,its just strength he naturally has.

Some people are weak fukers some are strong.

The guy in question sounds like a pillock anyway and I wouldn't give a sh1t what he could bench.

lol that i find hard to believe so he just trains every now and then benches 200kg when he gets round to it

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bench: 170kg 3 reps cg 155kg single
deadlift: 185kg 3 reps 200kg 1RM 220kg @knee height
squat: 200 kg 2 reps
clean and press 100kg 2 rep 110 1RM
weight:108kg bf 14%~

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Irish Beast


Just how much assistance is a shirt? Can some people please post their  lifts with and without shirt to give me idea please.

172.5 / 205 for me.

It can vary a lot. There are many types of shirt to start with depending on which federation you lift in.

For single ply, a ballpark figure is 20 percent extra, but as I say it can vary a lot

So you can't just turn up wearing whatever shirt you want? I didn't know that you see.

I assume each federation has criteria as to which the shirt must conform to then?