Haye vs Valuev

I had for Valuev by 2 rounds. Haye ran away until the last round and landed 2 shots per round before that!

Was shocked Haye got the decision - particularly in Germany - though this is boxing.

Don't know how much that was to do with the hand injury he mentioned...?

Either way all his claims of humilation and that fell by the wayside!

I look forward to Vitali eventually KOing him! Will make a better spectacle than that fight, hopefully they will trade at some point in theur fight

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I was watching the fight on a live stream but I can't stand american commentators. So I had the sound down and the radio five live commentary on.

They were incredibly pro Haye. So much so that I got the impression that they were watching an entirely different fight to me.

Yes Haye won IMO, but they were saying things like "Haye has pulverised the giant here tonight" and "He's dished out an incredible beating".

Just goes to show how easy things can be skewed if you don't get to see it with your own eyes.

Integra


Yep. Sky have always been anti-Haye for some reason.

Criticise him for banging instead of boxing then criticise him for boxing instead of banging.

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I had for Valuev by 2 rounds. Haye ran away until the last round and landed 2 shots per round before that!

Was shocked Haye got the decision - particularly in Germany - though this is boxing.

Don't know how much that was to do with the hand injury he mentioned...?

Either way all his claims of humilation and that fell by the wayside!

I look forward to Vitali eventually KOing him! Will make a better spectacle than that fight, hopefully they will trade at some point in theur fight

just cos your lumbering forward throwing shots all the time doesnt mean you should win!!  he didnt land anything the whole fight!!  haye's punches were far more accurate. and his great footwork and head movement (or runnign away as you call it) was a pleasure to see!!  boxing not just about standing there and throwing punches toe to toe, its about 'boxing'

and that great oaf got outboxed by the better man!  anyone who thinks that rusky won knows nothing about boxing clearly

I dont think anyone in their right mind would stand toe to toe with someone a foot taller and 7 stone heavier.

There are photos doing the rounds showing a badly swollen hand. Not sure of their authenticity. Those who are on facebook should visit his page, its quite funny.

Haye was just on BBC breakfast news. Seems a real decent bloke without all the bravado.
 
His right hand was strapped, said he landed a big overhand right in the second which would normally put blokes down but it had no effect on Valuev and bust his hand!

have to agree with integra and ODOG- i couldnt believe the unnoficial score card they were puttin up.. watched it in the pub and everyone was groanin and shouting each time the card came up.. i said t my mate i was worried they would score it for valuev as he 'seemed to be doing more', when in fact all he was doin was missing, and haye was landing good shots scoring points..
when the first judge called it a draw and the next 2 scored it a win by 4 rounds, i had a horrid feeling they had given it to valuev.. very chuffed haye won tho!! boxed well and stuck to a game plan that worked very well.. was v clever as manyu others tend to stray from game plans and do somehtin different.. and as integra said- who the **** is gonna try and trade shot for shot with a 7'2 guy who has what must have been a 15" reach advnatage and 7 stone in weight... its ridiculous!!

  

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what a boring fight i'm glad i didn't pay to see it

was very close imo

there was more action in one round in the sexton/rogan fight than this sh1te

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I had haye ahead by 9 rounds to 3.

i thought the judges would have had it 7 to 5.

Haye was never hurt, valuev was.  Haye landed clean, valuev didn't.

While neither had a decent work rate, there was only one winner.

That said I had froch 8 rounds to 4 when he fought dirrel, so shows what I know.

odog


just cos your lumbering forward throwing shots all the time doesnt mean you should win!!  he didnt land anything the whole fight!!  haye's punches were far more accurate. and his great footwork and head movement (or runnign away as you call it) was a pleasure to see!!  boxing not just about standing there and throwing punches toe to toe, its about 'boxing'

and that great oaf got outboxed by the better man!  anyone who thinks that rusky won knows nothing about boxing clearly

Okay you feel better now lol. Sweeping statements aside, anyone who knows anything about boxing  - and doesn't have union jack tinted specs - would admit it was close and many rounds could have went either way as it's a very subjective sport!
 
Haye was simply dancing away outside for too much of the fight and Valuev was cathching him with the jab maybe 1/3, far more agressive and for a big slow lump was not doing too badly at closing down the space.
 
Haye landed harder, technically superior shots, but I guess I was watching it from the perspective that he was in germany trying to take Valuev's belt and I thought Valuev did enough to grind out the win in that fight.
 
When I heard he had broke his hand I thought that would partly explain his complete reluctance to throw it when he was slipping Valuev's punches. Looking at their KO records, Valuev isn't a particularly big hitter: Haye is.
 
I was fairly neutral, leaning slightly towards Haye winning as I told everyone in work he would on points. I was shocked by 4 round margins.
 

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odog


just cos your lumbering forward throwing shots all the time doesnt mean you should win!!  he didnt land anything the whole fight!!  haye's punches were far more accurate. and his great footwork and head movement (or runnign away as you call it) was a pleasure to see!!  boxing not just about standing there and throwing punches toe to toe, its about 'boxing'

and that great oaf got outboxed by the better man!  anyone who thinks that rusky won knows nothing about boxing clearly

Okay you feel better now lol. Sweeping statements aside, anyone who knows anything about boxing  - and doesn't have union jack tinted specs - would admit it was close and many rounds could have went either way as it's a very subjective sport!
 
Haye was simply dancing away outside for too much of the fight and Valuev was cathching him with the jab maybe 1/3, far more agressive and for a big slow lump was not doing too badly at closing down the space.
 
Haye landed harder, technically superior shots, but I guess I was watching it from the perspective that he was in germany trying to take Valuev's belt and I thought Valuev did enough to grind out the win in that fight.
 
When I heard he had broke his hand I thought that would partly explain his complete reluctance to throw it when he was slipping Valuev's punches. Looking at their KO records, Valuev isn't a particularly big hitter: Haye is.
 
I was fairly neutral, leaning slightly towards Haye winning as I told everyone in work he would on points. I was shocked by 4 round margins.
 

nuff said!!

mystictal

odog


just cos your lumbering forward throwing shots all the time doesnt mean you should win!!  he didnt land anything the whole fight!!  haye's punches were far more accurate. and his great footwork and head movement (or runnign away as you call it) was a pleasure to see!!  boxing not just about standing there and throwing punches toe to toe, its about 'boxing'

and that great oaf got outboxed by the better man!  anyone who thinks that rusky won knows nothing about boxing clearly

Okay you feel better now lol. Sweeping statements aside, anyone who knows anything about boxing  - and doesn't have union jack tinted specs - would admit it was close and many rounds could have went either way as it's a very subjective sport!
 
Haye was simply dancing away outside for too much of the fight and Valuev was cathching him with the jab maybe 1/3, far more agressive and for a big slow lump was not doing too badly at closing down the space.
 
Haye landed harder, technically superior shots, but I guess I was watching it from the perspective that he was in germany trying to take Valuev's belt and I thought Valuev did enough to grind out the win in that fight.
 
When I heard he had broke his hand I thought that would partly explain his complete reluctance to throw it when he was slipping Valuev's punches. Looking at their KO records, Valuev isn't a particularly big hitter: Haye is.
 
I was fairly neutral, leaning slightly towards Haye winning as I told everyone in work he would on points. I was shocked by 4 round margins.
 

Can you explain how Valuev did enough to win enough rounds to make it a close decision?
 
Yes he was coming forwards but he was not landing anything.
 
It was not a close fight, the better man won. Quite clearly too.
 
Jesus, how anyone could score that fight in favour of Valuev continues to amaze me.

mystictal

odog


just cos your lumbering forward throwing shots all the time doesnt mean you should win!!  he didnt land anything the whole fight!!  haye's punches were far more accurate. and his great footwork and head movement (or runnign away as you call it) was a pleasure to see!!  boxing not just about standing there and throwing punches toe to toe, its about 'boxing'

and that great oaf got outboxed by the better man!  anyone who thinks that rusky won knows nothing about boxing clearly

Okay you feel better now lol. Sweeping statements aside, anyone who knows anything about boxing  - and doesn't have union jack tinted specs - would admit it was close and many rounds could have went either way as it's a very subjective sport!
 
Haye was simply dancing away outside for too much of the fight and Valuev was cathching him with the jab maybe 1/3, far more agressive and for a big slow lump was not doing too badly at closing down the space.
 
Haye landed harder, technically superior shots, but I guess I was watching it from the perspective that he was in germany trying to take Valuev's belt and I thought Valuev did enough to grind out the win in that fight.
 
When I heard he had broke his hand I thought that would partly explain his complete reluctance to throw it when he was slipping Valuev's punches. Looking at their KO records, Valuev isn't a particularly big hitter: Haye is.
 
I was fairly neutral, leaning slightly towards Haye winning as I told everyone in work he would on points. I was shocked by 4 round margins.
 

care to be anymore patronising mate...??

  

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odog


just cos your lumbering forward throwing shots all the time doesnt mean you should win!!  he didnt land anything the whole fight!!  haye's punches were far more accurate. and his great footwork and head movement (or runnign away as you call it) was a pleasure to see!!  boxing not just about standing there and throwing punches toe to toe, its about 'boxing'

and that great oaf got outboxed by the better man!  anyone who thinks that rusky won knows nothing about boxing clearly

Okay you feel better now lol. Sweeping statements aside, anyone who knows anything about boxing  - and doesn't have union jack tinted specs - would admit it was close and many rounds could have went either way as it's a very subjective sport!

Haye was simply dancing away outside for too much of the fight and Valuev was cathching him with the jab maybe 1/3, far more agressive and for a big slow lump was not doing too badly at closing down the space.

Haye landed harder, technically superior shots, but I guess I was watching it from the perspective that he was in germany trying to take Valuev's belt and I thought Valuev did enough to grind out the win in that fight.

When I heard he had broke his hand I thought that would partly explain his complete reluctance to throw it when he was slipping Valuev's punches. Looking at their KO records, Valuev isn't a particularly big hitter: Haye is.

I was fairly neutral, leaning slightly towards Haye winning as I told everyone in work he would on points. I was shocked by 4 round margins.

care to be anymore patronising mate...??

Have a closer look. Was tongue in cheek.

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Integra


Can you explain how Valuev did enough to win enough rounds to make it a close decision?
 
Yes he was coming forwards but he was not landing anything.
 
It was not a close fight, the better man won. Quite clearly too.
 
Jesus, how anyone could score that fight in favour of Valuev continues to amaze me.

Not any more better than saying I disagree that Valuev wasn't landing 'anything'. He was throwing more and landing more than Haye; albeit not with a lot of power. Haye just wasn't willing to engage for far far too much of the fight IMO. I was genuinely suprised when Haye was anounced as the winner.
 
Tbh I'd have to watch it again - free of alcohol - and that's not something I'd be willing to do in a hurry lol.

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Integra


Can you explain how Valuev did enough to win enough rounds to make it a close decision?
 
Yes he was coming forwards but he was not landing anything.
 
It was not a close fight, the better man won. Quite clearly too.
 
Jesus, how anyone could score that fight in favour of Valuev continues to amaze me.

Not any more better than saying I disagree that Valuev wasn't landing 'anything'. He was throwing more and landing more than Haye; albeit not with a lot of power. Haye just wasn't willing to engage for far far too much of the fight IMO. I was genuinely suprised when Haye was anounced as the winner.
 
Tbh I'd have to watch it again - free of alcohol - and that's not something I'd be willing to do in a hurry lol.

I am very confident that Haye landed more punches than Valuev.
 
He fought a very good fight and made it look very easy.

I watched the fight in Germany. The German commentator was shocked that the spanish judge called an even score. For everyone in Germany, Henry Maske as guest etc. Haye was a clear winner.

mystical- valuev didnt land more punches at all mate.. i think maybe u do need t watch it without the drink.. valuev threw more, but missed a v high %age of what he threw..
haye threw less, but connected with a v high %age..imo, punches thrown and missed shouldnt be enough to count in ur favour..punches landed win u a fight!!!!!!!

  

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Boxing is the art of hitting while not being hit......end of.

kinglean


Boxing is the art of hitting while not being hit......end of.

True, if haye deserved that victory, then andre dirrell deserved to win against froch!

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kinglean


Boxing is the art of hitting while not being hit......end of.

True, if haye deserved that victory, then andre dirrell deserved to win against froch!

There is a massive difference between those performances. Haye was relaxed, composed and polished. Dirrell was a shambles at times. You can not compare the two.

Integra

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kinglean


Boxing is the art of hitting while not being hit......end of.

True, if haye deserved that victory, then andre dirrell deserved to win against froch!

There is a massive difference between those performances. Haye was relaxed, composed and polished. Dirrell was a shambles at times. You can not compare the two.

I think you can! Haye spent much of the fight dodging his oponent, the amount of shots he actually landed was very little.

How many shots did dirrell land on froch? Plenty and froch couldnt do a thing, if dirrells performance was a shambles, what would you call carl froch's? If haye deserved that win then so did dirrell

Dirrell was not as composed as Haye. At times he was all over the place.

Valuev landed nothing of note, whereas the Froch fight was closer because both fighters were below par/standard.

Haye produced a genuine top class performance. He was fighting someone 7 stone heavier and a foot taller with a much longer reach. The fact he wasnt hurt or troubled at any stage of the 12 rounds underlines his quality aswell as Valuevs lack of.

i was massively impressed by the fact he managed t rock valuev as well... seeing a 7'2 mans legs wobbble and go t jelly briefly was worth watchin the 12 rounds...
clever fight from haye, many would have strayed from a strict fight plan as his was but he stuck with it as he knew it would win him the fight!
hope he does a number on both Klitchkos now.. we'll

  

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i was massively impressed by the fact he managed t rock valuev as well... seeing a 7'2 mans legs wobbble and go t jelly briefly was worth watchin the 12 rounds...
clever fight from haye, many would have strayed from a strict fight plan

 
TBH mate I thought his fight plan was to KO him in a brutal and quick fashion?
 
He won the fight by picking off points and keeping out of the way. Great performance? Depends on if your an Haye fan or not.
 

 

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he said what his fight plan was in the press conference a few days after.. and he basically said as i said then.. that he stuck to it and picked his opportunities t throw punches.

  

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LOL

Isn't that what most good fighters do,stay clear of the punches?

The one guy I love watching make people miss is Mayweather and Haye did an excellent job against Valuev.

Had Haye not injured his hand early on, I reckon he could have KO'd Valuev as he had him wobbling in the 12th and if he had connected when the giant was wobbling I have no doubts he would have went down.

Reflecting on the fight, it was by no means a classic but Haye did the job and as MRM says seeing the giant wobbling was worth the watch.

I was absolutely LMFAO when he was wobbling.

And tbf to Haye I see him live on GMTV and sky sports news,and it was clear from the sky sports news cameras that his right hand was almost double the size of his left.

Haye did the job and got the convincing win and it's the best thing to happen to the heavyweight division for a long time.

Now to take out the Klitchsko brothers one by one

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i think maybe u do need t watch it without the drink.

FLMAO

If you love something let it go,if it comes back to you it's yours,if it doesn't it never was.

How serious is this supposed hand injury, does anyone know?

If it's bad then that's terrible news for his career

 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbIGhfbrlj0
 
 

If I remember correctly he said he has had a similar problem with the hand in the past.

I do not know whether or not it was broke but it was certainly swollen up,he didn't mention nothing about it ruining his career.

And I wouldn't have thought he would tbh.

If you love something let it go,if it comes back to you it's yours,if it doesn't it never was.

pretty sure ive seen him mention it was broken.. but then that mjight just be me mixin up what the papers have said, with what he actually said :-(??

  

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Just watched the clips I could find on the internet and it does look swollen but nothing terrible

Not good for someone who relies on big punching to break their hand so soon after moving up though. He's not going to be able to pitter patter his way to victory ala Calzaghe. Guess we have to hope his hands are durable enough for the higher weight class and there are no further injuries. The more you break your hands, the more they break and all....

Be interested to hear more about this though

 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbIGhfbrlj0
 
 

To be fair, he did break it against a prehistoric skull.

as above, he said punchin valuev's jaw was like punchin someone on the top of their head!!
imagine how dense valuev's bones would have been, especially in the skull/ jaw area... said he caught him real crisp but felt like stone when he hit hm :-(

  

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I think it's fully understandable.

It was funny because Haye said exactly as I said during the fight.

I was saying to my friends it's like his hitting a brickwall,the giant hardly moves,when he hits him.

Haye said exactly that.

If you love something let it go,if it comes back to you it's yours,if it doesn't it never was.

I watched the fight too,i saw haye run away all of the fight to stay out of trouble(imo he knows his chin isnt good and would have been kod if he had fought)
Valuev came forward to bring the fight to haye but haye didnt want to mix it,all he wanted to do was run,
Now imo thats not the point of boxing at all,anyone can run away, valuev should have won that fight and i think he was robbed  because of the money involved with haye.
A very poor performance for a heavyweight title by both boxers but haye was particularly crap truth be told.
Valuev was his chance to frighten the other heavyweights imo they will be lining up to fight him now.he wont have that title for very long.

Those who cannot fly seek to clip the wings of others.

Integra


To be fair, he did break it against a prehistoric skull.

Truem but haye if any good at heavyweight should have knocked him out why couldnt he?
 
Valuev was:
overweight
slow
Why then did haye not finish him? could it be because he was too busy running imo yes.

Those who cannot fly seek to clip the wings of others.

Perhaps.

Or perhaps Valuev has a solid beard?

lol.
Maybe i expect too  much from boxing im unsure tbh
Im from the era of ali/frazier/norton  etc etc etc different class or breed from todays bunch.
The days when boxers wanted the title more than the money.

Those who cannot fly seek to clip the wings of others.

Even someone like Norton would clean up the division without breaking sweat.

Bruno would be a top 5 HW nowadays.