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 David VS Goliath

David VS Goliath

David Haye
  43% (22)
Nikolai Valuev
  50% (26)
Draw
  5% (3)

Total Votes: 51

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CalderaVII
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David VS Goliath - 06 November 2009 14:31
Really cannot wait for this one... who do you reckon will win? As much as I want Haye to win, I think Valuev is too big and powerful for him.
 
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David Haye
Height 190 cm (6 ft 3 in)
Reach 198 cm (78 in)  
Total fights 23
Wins 22
Wins by KO 21
Losses 1
 
Nikolai Valuev
Height 7 ft 2 in (2.18 m)
Reach 85 in (2.15 m)
Total fights 52
Wins 50
Wins by KO 34
Losses 1
Draws 0
No contests 1
 


 
 
 

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Re:David VS Goliath - 06 November 2009 14:35
Valuev and his wife



Valuev shaving... lol


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Re:David VS Goliath - 06 November 2009 14:38
haye

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Re:David VS Goliath - 06 November 2009 14:40
Haye on points. Can see him maybe being put on his arse at some point in the fight though.
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Re:David VS Goliath - 06 November 2009 14:42
I've bet £20 on Hayes and a knock out at 5/2, basically I will make £50 profit. I did this from a topic on here saying Valuev is over-rated and a crap champ, plus how he was supposedly nearly beaten by Holyfield(well deserved too lose).

Might also whack £5 on Haye too knock him out in about the 9th.

It does worry me somewhat that he's never been knocked down once. Hopefully Hayes got the fire power to do it though.
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Re:David VS Goliath - 06 November 2009 14:43
Looking at those pics again and Valuev is a freaking monster, Hayes is by no means small.

Also I might make it the 12th round they're offering 50/1 in that round. Maybe worth a couple of quid on that.
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Re:David VS Goliath - 06 November 2009 14:47
seen a few of Valuev fights, he is massive hitter, if he catches haye early then it will be a short fight.
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Re:David VS Goliath - 06 November 2009 14:58
Haye.

Valuev is big but not a great puncher, technician or boxer in general!

Haye will be too fast and although small, his punches still sting.
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Re:David VS Goliath - 06 November 2009 15:02
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seen a few of Valuev fights, he is massive hitter

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Re:David VS Goliath - 06 November 2009 15:10
I voted for the smaller guy. I would have thought the giant would lack speed/stamina?

I know f**k all about boxing though.

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Re:David VS Goliath - 06 November 2009 15:16
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Re:David VS Goliath - 06 November 2009 15:22
Terrible technique against a poor opponent.

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Re:David VS Goliath - 06 November 2009 16:33
Haye on points.
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Re:David VS Goliath - 06 November 2009 16:37
I have only seen a couple of Haye fights but he seems to move well in the ring and can anticipate his opponents movements i would like to see him win. But its just the sheer size of valuev which makes me unsure.
 
I really want to put a bet on this but really dont know what way to go. its gona be interesting whatever.

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Re:David VS Goliath - 06 November 2009 16:45
I think fatigue will be a big factor against haye as well hes baisically boxing upwards above his head the whole time thats is gona be very hard espeacially for 12 rounds

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Re:David VS Goliath - 06 November 2009 16:58
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I think fatigue will be a big factor against haye as well hes baisically boxing upwards above his head the whole time thats is gona be very hard espeacially for 12 rounds


Good point.
 

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Re:David VS Goliath - 06 November 2009 17:05
Valuev is the sh1ttest, slowest heavy weight I have ever seen and if he weren't so big he'd be nothing more than a  club boxer....to say he's a big hitter is a fcuking joke.

I can seen Haye pounding the body and wouldn't be surprised to see Valuev Ko'd

Haye on points

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Re:David VS Goliath - 06 November 2009 17:08
Haye. Wont get to see it Sat night. Hopefully Sky Sports will repeat it??

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Re:David VS Goliath - 06 November 2009 17:25
if it goes to points haye wont win, Haye wont be able to knock him out, there for Valuev

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Re:David VS Goliath - 06 November 2009 17:55
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Valuev is the sh1ttest, slowest heavy weight I have ever seen and if he weren't so big he'd be nothing more than a  club boxer....to say he's a big hitter is a fcuking joke.

I can seen Haye pounding the body and wouldn't be surprised to see Valuev Ko'd

Haye on points


Pound the body, get him crouching, uppercuts all the way home Haye baby..... :)

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Re:David VS Goliath - 06 November 2009 18:33
Im trusting Integra and going with Haye although I do think its going to be a tough fight for Haye to win.
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Re:David VS Goliath - 06 November 2009 19:47
Can't wait for this!

I think Haye can do it.

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Re:David VS Goliath - 06 November 2009 20:29
Neb


Valuev is the sh1ttest, slowest heavy weight I have ever seen and if he weren't so big he'd be nothing more than a  club boxer....to say he's a big hitter is a fcuking joke.

I can seen Haye pounding the body and wouldn't be surprised to see Valuev Ko'd

Haye on points


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Re:David VS Goliath - 06 November 2009 20:59
Holyfield reckons Haye can't and won't.

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Re:David VS Goliath - 06 November 2009 21:00
I would say Haye on points but who knows. Am really looking forward to it I know that.




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Re:David VS Goliath - 06 November 2009 21:03
Valuev isn't all that bad, he does cause people problems. Most seven footers are as fast as slugs, but Valuev is much faster than that, around the speed of a sleepy hedgehog

My prediction is a wide UD for Haye as in the other thread

But to be fair, Haye could get knocked out if he gets too careless, Valuev does not have the heaviest hands in the world but Haye doesn't have the best chin either. It's not a foregone conclusion IMO




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Re:David VS Goliath - 06 November 2009 21:25
To all the people saying haye on points - Are you stupid? For haye to get a points victory in germany he would have to literally beat valuev to a pulp, basically embarass him to give the judges no other option. You have to bear in mine Haye is going to be in germany, with judges picked by valuevs team, more chance of finding your first **** than haye winning on points. Imo i beleive what haye and adam booth are saying, he will chop away at him round by round and eventually the bigman will go down. 8th round ish imo.

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Re:David VS Goliath - 06 November 2009 21:29
id like to say haye, but i just cant see how he is going to do it. i dont think he could knock the big man out, yeah he is cumbersome and not technically skilled, but those arms are loooonnnnnnnggg, i kickboxed for a while and had a few amatuer fights, and i can say that reach differences of that size are just so hard to deal with.
and he is a mean mutherf*cker. he will just keep coming at haye when haye is trying to execute a plan, not letting haye get into his swing.
i reckon valuev will end it with a big dirty bear club of a right hook in the 3rd or 4th.
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Re:David VS Goliath - 06 November 2009 21:30
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To all the people saying haye on points - Are you stupid? For haye to get a points victory in germany he would have to literally beat valuev to a pulp, basically embarass him to give the judges no other option. You have to bear in mine Haye is going to be in germany, with judges picked by valuevs team, more chance of finding your first **** than haye winning on points. Imo i beleive what haye and adam booth are saying, he will chop away at him round by round and eventually the bigman will go down. 8th round ish imo.


Stupid is a bit harsh, differing opinions is what makes this fight a great fight to watch




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Re:David VS Goliath - 06 November 2009 21:41
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Valuev is the sh1ttest, slowest heavy weight I have ever seen and if he weren't so big he'd be nothing more than a  club boxer....to say he's a big hitter is a fcuking joke.

I can seen Haye pounding the body and wouldn't be surprised to see Valuev Ko'd

Haye on points


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With record of 50 wins to 1 loss over 15 years as a pro, never stopped or even floored, its fair to say that the guys done OK in boxing.

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Re:David VS Goliath - 06 November 2009 21:42
my heart says haye, but my brain says valuev.  As for my money- I'm not touching it with real money, maybe a couple of quid on valuev R4 and Haye R9.

Haye is pound for pound the best heavyweight, and by a large margin.  Valuev has 90 lbs and 11 inches on Haye.  There's only so far speed and skill can take you, and 90lbs a a clear foot is a step too far imo.

I go for valuev to win, He has the size, strength and judges in his back pocket.




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Re:David VS Goliath - 06 November 2009 22:18
Isn't Klitschko any good then. I saw an interview of him talking about Haye and Klitschko looks like an upper class russian gangster and he's a big bloke in good shape. Plus he's world champ, I'd bet against Haye in that fight TBH. Saying that I've never seen either fight, so my opinion is worthless, I've jumped on the david vs goliath bandwagon.

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Re:David VS Goliath - 06 November 2009 22:20
This is gonna be a cracker. Does it actually start at 10?
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Re:David VS Goliath - 06 November 2009 22:24
Just found out this fight is in Germany - Damn, Haye has little chance over there. I have seen enough dodgy decisions in Germany to know  that Haye will have to knock valuev out cold to win and Valuev wont go down easy.

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Re:David VS Goliath - 06 November 2009 22:27
yeah they go to the ring at 9:45 so it starts bang on 10, well that's what my mate told me.

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Re:David VS Goliath - 06 November 2009 22:27
Can't see haye lasting more than 7 rounds, poor punch resistance, suspect stamina and huge physical disadvantages. I've had £10 on valuev for stoppage in any round at 10-1. I like a bet and love watching boxing, had a few good wins over the years £5 on hollyfield to beat tyson at 100-1 and £5 hamed to stop billy hardy in 1st round at 20-1. Also had some bad losses bruno to beat lewis and many more.  

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Re:David VS Goliath - 06 November 2009 22:51
Would love to see Haye do it and hope he does. My doubts are: -
 
a) The fight is in Germany where Valuev is based
b) Don King is involved
c) Haye may not be able to physically last 12 rounds
 
Don't think Valuev is anywhere near as good as his record suggests but he does have a massive size and weight advantage. Massive feather in Haye's cap if he can pull it off.
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Re:David VS Goliath - 06 November 2009 23:11
I know you get some suspect decisions in european countries, but tbh, this is such a high profile fight, I would hope they wouln't get away with it if Haye completely outboxes him, maybe if it was close, but we'll see.

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Re:David VS Goliath - 06 November 2009 23:41
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I know you get some suspect decisions in european countries, but tbh, this is such a high profile fight, I would hope they wouln't get away with it if Haye completely outboxes him, maybe if it was close, but we'll see.


You ever watched the holyfield v lewis first fight? Doesnt get more high profile than that and it happened there. this fight will be no different - haye has to ko him imo.

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