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Hi need advice, I have 3 weeks to lose 1.5 stone.  I know about good eating, diet plans etc etc but I just dont have the time do do it the best way.
 
Can I ask what is the best Crash course you can think of to get near that target.  This is a one off and I wont be doing it again, so no lectures please on the correct way to diet. I would rather have some sort of guidlines than just total starvation.
 
Thanks

You will need to post your current "stats" height, weight etc for anyone to be able to work anything out. That said, while im no expert I think short of surgery 1.5 stone in 3 weeks is near-on impossible.
 
A stone is 14lb? so 7lb a week for 3 weeks. "normal" rate is around 2lb a week so your looking for nearly a 300% increase in weightloss above the "norm".
 
I will be interested to see any replys though. Good luck.

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You will need to post your current "stats" height, weight etc for anyone to be able to work anything out. That said, while im no expert I think short of surgery 1.5 stone in 3 weeks is near-on impossible.
 
A stone is 14lb? so 7lb a week for 3 weeks. "normal" rate is around 2lb a week so your looking for nearly a 300% increase in weightloss above the "norm".
 
I will be interested to see any replys though. Good luck.

Hi, do you think a stone would be possibile with the following data?
Hi here are my stats -
 
Height -  5'8
Weight -  16.5 st
Bodyfat - Around 20% to be honest
Cardio -  50min fast walking twice a day
                Punchbag work 3 times per week 50 min
                weight training 3 times per week 1 hr
 
Will the following help spped up the weight loss?
 
Sunas
Water tablets
Cant take Eph so Clen or Therm from from Maximuscle
 
Thanks
 

Sorry but im still learning myself, only been going to the gym for 5 days hehe, I cant really give you any advice as to the ammount of weight you can exspect to loose.

Hopfully somone will answer your questions though, this board can be a little slow.

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Do some research on DNP.

Out of interest what does DNP standfor?

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Eat 1200-1500 calories a day and do a lot of cardio!

Easy fix for right calories would be 1 x oats-so-simple for breakfast and a weight watchers meal for dinner & tea.  1 rice cake twice a day for a snack.   Drink only water, and about 2-3 litres of it a day.

DON'T eat like this long term though, but it will help you shift a lot over 3 weeks.

Running, swimming and cycling (not on gym machines) are best for weight loss.

**** taking drugs, too many junkies about already.

I don't think this is possible or come to that even advisable.

One pound in weight is around 3,500 calories and you are talking about losing a pound a day. 


Assuming you have an average BMR of 2,500 calories a day, you need to eat 3,500 calories under that each day to lose that pound. That means a net calorie intake of - 1,000 calories. Even assuming you eat only 1,000 calories a day, you'd need to do enough exercise to burn 2,000 calories.

Doing that every day, with that level of food intake, will not be good for you!

Set some more realistic goals.

DNP stands for Dinitrophenol

If it's short term, the cabbage soup diet apparently works well - you sh!t loads though.

is this for a weigh in? if so its totaly different

if its just for a weigh in depending how big you are what your currently eating etc its fairly easy to loose 6-12lbs over night then put it straight back on after the weigh

Thanks for all the replies lads, I cant tell you what its for (Sry thats sounds daft but I cant).  The DNP looks good and as I say It is a one off.

This is why I love this site so much nobody has come on and judged me, instead just fiven me advice that I will use.

Thanks lads, will let you know how I get on.

im really not botherd what its for

but cant you even say if its for some form of "weigh in" or is it a permenant weight loss for some reason?

I would advise against DNP.  Unless you know exactly what you are doing and it is administered properly and monitored, it can be fatal. Yes it will kill you, as simple as that.

If you are looking purely for the scales to reveal a weight loss of 1 1/2 stone then I would imagine some sort of keto diet then combined with water manipulation towards the end.

swordfish


im really not botherd what its for

but cant you even say if its for some form of "weigh in" or is it a permenant weight loss for some reason?

Yeah I have to hit my target for my future career.

RedHotF


I would advise against DNP.  Unless you know exactly what you are doing and it is administered properly and monitored, it can be fatal. Yes it will kill you, as simple as that.

If you are looking purely for the scales to reveal a weight loss of 1 1/2 stone then I would imagine some sort of keto diet then combined with water manipulation towards the end.

Thanks RedHot, I will be sure not to overdose, as you have said and what I have read on it, overdose can lead to death due to no limit in core body temp.

my advice is avoid DNP even if you do know what you are doing!

DNP is used as an industrial dye - it is yellow - you want to know how strong a dye it is:
put 1 capsule of DNP in a plastic bag in a white pill bottle. Leave that in a drawer - come back 1 month later and the inside of the draw is yellow!

In addition to putting this powerful chemical dye that stains all body secretions yellow - and makes your semen toxic to women - with the possibility of making them infertile - is a metabolic poison

DNP interferes with the production of atp at the cellular level. When metabolising energy the body normally makes atp for cells to use, in the presence of DNP this process results in the production of heat; when you provide a sugar substrate the body instead of making energy makes heat, the more substrate the more heat;
you creat a situation where your body is using energy to try and cool itself, but has virtually no glycogen to fuel it - fat is used. DNP is known to spare protein - hence its use in bodybuilding.

One obvious drawback is that there is no feedback stop to the increase in body temperature - you can - and people have literally got so hot their internal organs were part cooked.

The biggest risk is becoming dehydrated, which of course given the amount of sweatlosses - is big. And this is how at least one very public death happened in the US - a user of the elitefitness board was on DNP, and went clubbing popped some E and became dehydrated.

At the emergency room he was adminsitered rehydration solution - IV - which contains glucose - and he cooked from the inside

The risks are high - but fortunately most get away with it.

the sides are nasty - you are hot, i mean its -5 and you will be sweating.
you will leave sheets on the bed wet and thats with a fan on full blast over you.
you have no energy and your cognition will be impared - its hard enough to stay awake let alone work out when using DNP

My advice - dont take this supposed short cut - the risks are very high, and frankly it takes a certain mentality to use DNP safely and successfully - which even if you have - isnt worth it - do it the slightly slower way instead.

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I forgot to add - you have no strength, no energy -
DNP also creates a massive calorie deficit - you have increased expenditure and the waste of cho calories going in

and in case you were thinking of going zero carb - without carbs the effectiveness of dnp is limited - you have to eat them to get the effect - making it rather unpleasant.

also due to the nature of DNP - an anaphalatic allergic reaction is very possible -and it is very advisable to have started a course of anti-histamines and have a good supply on hand - as well as knowing the acute dose of them and signs of anaphalaxis - before you start.

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Thanks for that Les, You have opened my eyes with that.  I think the risk outweighs the benefit so I dont think the DNP route is for me.

Thanks again.

DNP imo is not the answer no matter what your goals. Great info from Les.

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I used DNP for 7 days and lost 8lb - I kept a dairy of my measurements and how I was feeling.

I upped the dosage from 200mg to 400mg a day after day 4 and spent 3 days at 400mg.  200mg was a walk in the park, but when 400mg built up in my system it knocked me sideways and made me very ill very quickly.  Took me a week to get over being ill. Laying flooring for 8 hours on the last day didn't help, it's struggle enough to move around your normal day, yet alone do physical activity.

Sweat start smelling like a white board marker. The mrs noticed I was sweating loads in bed.

My hunger was almost insatiable, it stripped away all my will power.  I'm not into chocolate and I can go years without eating any, yet on DNP I had to have it and I couldn't reason with myself not to eat it.

You do feel a bit disorientated at times.

I do wish I had not bothered and lost the fat with cardio and diet.

But would I do it again? Probably, only because I've been offered some cheap...  I wouldn't run 400mg though, I would stay low for 5 days and have weekends off.

The most important aspect is to have discapline. Don't rush it, don't get impatient and want to take another pill because you can't feel the first one working.  That's the best way for an ice water enema.

Another note, I thought I had done all the research I needed to do before I got the pills.  Then after I took the 1st one I read something new, which scared me.  At the time, for better or worse, I was feeling experimentle as I felt I wasn't getting anything definitive either way from what I was reading on the net.

wow that stuff sounds very nasty.

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I forgot to mention why I fell ill - because you're so hot, you don't realise how cold it actually is, in addition to your immune system taking a hammering from the stuff it's a recipe to catch a bug.

It is nasty stuff no 2 ways about it.  For people's info, I had the powder version in white and green caps and I was still peeing neon yellow for a fair while after.

I've dug out my DNP diary for your amusement.

Day 1

In the morning I took 2 Yohimbine, 2.5mg per cap

Also took my cocktail of multivitimins and iron when I got into work.

Took DNP at 12.15 just past midday.  250mg capsule.

Ate a jacket potato with beans and cheese.

Had 2 cups of tea at my bro's after work with a few biscuits.

Had a pudding at my dad's.

Took 1 cap of Yohimbine

Biceps are 16"
Chest, around the nips is 43" I think iirc
around the belly button is 42.5"
Quads are 25"

At night I weigh bang on 15 stone.

I've done about an hours worth of weights on and off with some sit ups.

I have a weird feeling in my face like I'm upset or something and my teeth at the back feel weird - could be unrelated.

It's 00.25am and I don't feel tired, I've been up since 6.45am. Could be the Yohimbine.

Day 2

Woke up feeling like I've had the best nights sleep in a long time! Must have been due to exercise!! haha

Had 1 Yohimbine before breakfast. Breakfast was 2 eggs and a tin of tuna, with a little soy sauce.  Washed down with a Lucazade sport.

I weighed myself and I appear to be a pound lighter than last night, but that's to be expected since you weigh less in the morning, after a nights sleep.

I will be having pasta for lunch with my DNP cap and 1 Yohimbine at around 5pm....

Turns out I also had 3 choccy bars a pack of crisps and 2 bacon butties (without the spread or fat) aswell.  Feeling rather peckish now but have read that this is a side effect of DNP.

Tomorrow I will take more Yohimbine to supress my increased appetite.

For lunch tomorrow I am having beef stir fry.  I will make some tuna mayo rolls to take to work and see how I get on.

I think boredom played a part in this evenings eating.

I felt my breathing get heavier a little earlier but now it's settled down.  I'm anticipating that tomorrows dosage will increase that side a little more due to the build up of DNP in my system.  I've not really felt much if at all any warmer yet.  My ears got hot for a little while though.  Also a few hours after my 2nd pill, I noticed heavier breathing after walking a short distance.

We'll see how it goes.  I will weigh and measure myself friday morning.

Day 3

Well, the beef stir fry was sh!t.  Craved chocolate for the past 2 evenings, which is very unlike me, don't usually touch the stuff.  Had another bacon butty when I got home from work. Tomorrow is the early shift, so hopefully I won't get bored and want to snack.

My pee has started to change colour, it's quite a bright yellow, very unnatural yellow though, doesn't smell though. I would usually expect clear urine due to the amount of water I've been drinking, so I guess this is it, 4th day tomorrow which is when DNP usually starts to kick your ass. No going back now!

I've had 1 or 2 hot flushes but it's difficult to say that it's actually the DNP due to the heating in work.

Water is getting boring so I will need to get some squash, which should be interesting, seen as it makes me asthmatic...

On another note, I shaved my balls and gouch today, feels great. There is nothing more breathtaking than a shorn scrotum, I suggest you try it.

I took a Yohimbine at 6pm ish and by 8 I wanted my bed, but now I'm WIDE awake and don't feel tired.

Day 4

Biceps are 16"
Chest, around the nips is 44.5"
around the belly button is 40.5"
Quads are 24.75"

Weight is a pound or two under 15 stone

Didn't sleep well last night - I think I went to bed too soon after I ate, I woke up during the night feeling rotten.  In the morning however I felt alot better.

Tried increasing the Yohimbine to combat the increased appetite but DNP over powers it.

Day 5

Only had a few flushes, nothing drastic, however, I know it's cold outside and I'm wearing a t-shirt and feel pretty comfortable.  Was planning on taking an additional cap of DNP today, but wondering if I should wait an extra day as it should be built up in my system by now.

Didn't sleep well last night, but that was due to the kitten trying to sleep on our faces and purring loudly the whole night through.

So, I took the first cap at 9am and the 2nd 12 hours later.  I plan on running 2 caps a day like this until day 8, then taper off 1 a day until all 15 caps are spent.

I managed to work on the car for 6 hours straight easily enough, pushing myself through any lethargy.

Day 6

Feeling a little lethargic, not helped by the fact the mrs wanted to pull me around the shops AGAIN!! lol

Slept well enough, had the covers off me most of the night, noticable increase of sweat but nothing like wetting the bed or anything.  The mrs flat is freezing this time of year though, even though I can't feel it being that cold much.

Haven't been amazingly healthy over the weekend, KFC and a mixed grill have been the treats. Not expecting to have lost much weight and wondering if this is actually working.

Day 7

Slept ok, been having really dry mouth when waking the past few days and my lips are dry, had to wipe the dead skin away. Mrs said I sweated loads and she has to change the bedding.

Weighed in this morning out of curiosity and I am currently 14stone 6lb!

Day 8

Chest 45"
Belly 39.5"

I ate really late last night and paid the price for it.  Terrible sweats and sickness.  I didn't vomit but I was as weak as a kitten.  I'm going to cut down from 400mg to 200mg a day early.  200mg and there was no noticeable sides. I will leave it until tonight and take a cap at 6pm I think, see how I get on.

Day 9

Didn't take a cap on day 8, thought I'd have 36 hours off.  Noticed I was pissing like a race horse even though I only had 2 cups of tea - must be all the water retention coming off - scales indicate a 2lb loss from it.

Have lost another half inch around my belly - chest is staying at 45"

Haven't had a chance to workout yet but I will put in some time before I go into work tomorrow.

I've needed quick sugars from biscuits - I should really be eating fruit - poor preparation on my part.

Then I got ill and didn't take any more.

i lost just over a stone and a half in 2 weeks on the south beach diet, 45 min cardio every day worked for me .

Well, I think your target is impossible. But I suggest you drink a lot of water. And exercise daily. You don't have to remove carbohydrates just cut it down. Because Carbohydrates is for your energy.

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I have to ask how is discussion of this rather dangerous, and nasty compound is even remotely suitable for this forum?

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I suppose it something to do with the use of DNP for weight loss.

It was actually available early in the last century for that very purpose, and keeps popping up as "fat loss aid" every so often since

I also know its has been a popular suggestion in certain parts of the internet from time time

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I understand your point. What I don't agree with is its discussion inside a forum where overall health is paramount to any change in lifestyle plan.

Cellular metabolic poison has no place in the Weight Loss forum, and should be discouraged, as i personally think it goes against what MT's ethos is for this part of the forum.

I think Les has pointed out why it is not suitable to advise someone using DNP in any circumstances.

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I understand your point. What I don't agree with is its discussion inside a forum where overall health is paramount to any change in lifestyle plan.

Cellular metabolic poison has no place in the Weight Loss forum, and should be discouraged, as i personally think it goes against what MT's ethos is for this part of the forum.

Well, we would usually push these topics to OPED, but as the point has been well made that DNP is very dangerous and should not be used, I feel it's wortwhile keeping the topic here for people who wish to lose weight who might be considering it; hopefully they'll be put off.

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Cellular metabolic poison

whatever that means ?

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Understood. Thank you for the replies

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Cellular metabolic poison

whatever that means ?

Cellular - affects the individual cells of your body - thats pretty much the most basic unit of life
Metabolic - metabolism is how cells work, and what they do
Poison - i hope you know this one.

So a cellular metabolic poison is something that  poisons your cells ability to do what they are supposed to!

Simples

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except that for DNP the exact opposite is true.

learn what the effect of uncouplers (the poison I assume)  are on mitochondrial reactive oxygen species.

DNP limits/eliminates mitochondrial ROS production, which is the basis for many of it's protective properties (in infarction, trauma, increase in life span)

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except that for DNP the exact opposite is true.

learn what the effect of uncouplers (the poison I assume)  are on mitochondrial reactive oxygen species.

DNP limits/eliminates mitochondrial ROS production, which is the basis for many of it's protective properties (in infarction, trauma, increase in life span)

Did I just read that you are saying DNP is protective?

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Mitochondrial ROS production is explained by the crowding of electrons within the respiratory chain complexes I and III. Complex I and Complex III are the  major source of superoxide in vivo

To form ROS, some of these electrons escape from the normal pathway that links movement of pairs of electrons to proton pumping. Increasing permeability of the inner membrane to protons facilitates this normal pathway, and hence reduces the crowding of electron and ROS production, the result being an increased waste of energy. Uncouplers dissipate the chemical gradient by providing a means by which protons can escape the intermembrane space, shorting out the gradient and allowing an increase in electron transport.

This is why uncoupling proteins are now thought to exist, in part, to help regulate oxidative stress. They are not poison. They play an important role in normal physiology.

There is plenty of research on the protective properties of UCP including DNP out there. I will dig it up.

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