Drab, or other clued up dog people

My dad has just bought an Alsatian pup, lovely dog. This got us talking about the various different looking Alsatians...some have long, thick hair and are much bigger than others.
 
Are there various types? or is it just the dog's genetics?
 
Also, I am right in thinking 'Alsatian' and 'German Shepherd' are one and the same?
 
 
 
 

we've got 2 german shepards, a 6 year old and 13 months and they're both long haired.
 
You get two types - long haired and short haired. The long haired dogs generally appear to be bigger but thats mainly because of their fur.
 
and yes alsation and german shepard are the same breed.
 
My favourite breed of dog had them all my life, so loyal and affectionate.

The streets are still, the final struggle's ended;Flushed with the fight we proudly hail the dawn!See, over all the streets the fascist banners waving,Triumphant standards of our race reborn!

Ah, cheers mate, thanks for the info.

It's such a shame your dogs will obviously out live you

As above mate

There are basically two types of GSD, the long and short hair varieties, though in actuality if taking your dog to show they will all be judged together as one breed with no exact standard for length of hair

Almost any length of hair is technically acceptable on a GSD in Europe, but the shorter hair is favoured. In the US long hair is a fault and you won't really be able to show a long haired GSD in the big shows

As far as I know, the original GSDs of the early 1900s were all short haired, but the long hair gene was always present (it wasn't the result of deliberate cross breeding). The long haired gene is recessive I think which is why you tend to see more of the short haired variety aside from in lines which have been specifically bred for their long hair

 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbIGhfbrlj0
 
 

It's weird drab about the long hair gene being recessive. We had the father of the 6 year old aswell and the bitch he mated with was short haired yet all her puppies were long haired.
 
 
LOL at neb, I knew as soon as I posted that my death would be involved in your reply.

The streets are still, the final struggle's ended;Flushed with the fight we proudly hail the dawn!See, over all the streets the fascist banners waving,Triumphant standards of our race reborn!

Cheers Drab.....good info, i'll tell my dad

RIP Jackson

so this recessive gene thing?....what does that mean?

By the way neb when is this "hardest" marathon your doing? Is it in snowdonia?

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Yeah, Snowdonia marathon...not for ages yet but I need ages to train so I don't end up in a box, next to you

LOL. Any links to it?

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The only Marathon I would expect you to be able to finish would be an old style Snickers (this is reverse psychology motivational tactics by the way)

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jackson


LOL. Any links to it?

http://www.snowdoniamarathon.com/
 
Also, type in Snowdonia marathon on youtube and there are loads of vids....one is taken from a car driving the first 4 miles, which  is all uphill!
 
The scenery looks amazing

Cardifflad


The only Marathon I would expect you to be able to finish would be an old style Snickers (this is reverse psychology motivational tactics by the way)

Thanks great mate

Looks lovely mate. I would be stopping every two mins to take it all in haha

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Please Please Please stop referring to GSD's as Alsatians, that name was dropped some 32years ago! after we as a country stopped being so pathetic

a lot of true German bred dogs are what is referred to as Sable

http://www.spartanville.com/images/bax/bax-stand3-s.jpg

http://www.thebaynet.com/images/classifieds/thebaynet_Sable%20puppy.JPG

The second link is the cute one

 

Cardifflad


Looks lovely mate. I would be stopping every two mins to take it all in haha

LOL, there is a vid of a bloke running with a head cam and he does just that LMAO

The scenery is inspiring, seems to be a great run.

26.2 miles with some serious inclines aswell. All the best mate for that looks an awesome thing to do. The weather could potentially be a major factor in the difficutly especially at that time of year.

The streets are still, the final struggle's ended;Flushed with the fight we proudly hail the dawn!See, over all the streets the fascist banners waving,Triumphant standards of our race reborn!

that name was dropped some 32years ago! after we as a country stopped being so pathetic

 
Did we call them Alsatians due to the 'German' part of the real name then?.

jackson


The scenery is inspiring, seems to be a great run.

26.2 miles with some serious inclines aswell. All the best mate for that looks an awesome thing to do. The weather could potentially be a major factor in the difficutly especially at that time of year.

 
The weather has been horrific mate over the past few years, serious winds and heavy, icey rain.
 
I hope the sun shines LOL

the 13 month dog when she was about 2 months old I think.

The streets are still, the final struggle's ended;Flushed with the fight we proudly hail the dawn!See, over all the streets the fascist banners waving,Triumphant standards of our race reborn!

Neb
 

The weather has been horrific mate over the past few years, serious winds and heavy, icey rain.
 
I hope the sun shines LOL

 
We all know that the 30th october 2010, in snowdonia is not going to be sunny

Cause of death: Exhausation and extreme hypothermia.

The streets are still, the final struggle's ended;Flushed with the fight we proudly hail the dawn!See, over all the streets the fascist banners waving,Triumphant standards of our race reborn!

WTF is that coming out of it's mouth?

jackson

Neb
 

The weather has been horrific mate over the past few years, serious winds and heavy, icey rain.
 
I hope the sun shines LOL

 
We all know that the 30th october 2010, in snowdonia is not going to be sunny

Cause of death: Exhausation and extreme hypothermia.

LMAO

It was a piece of ribbon from a christmas present that she was playing tug of war with.

The streets are still, the final struggle's ended;Flushed with the fight we proudly hail the dawn!See, over all the streets the fascist banners waving,Triumphant standards of our race reborn!

Neb

that name was dropped some 32years ago! after we as a country stopped being so pathetic

 
Did we call them Alsatians due to the 'German' part of the real name then?.

yep, bit sad really but thankfully it was dropped and the true name lived on

 

huskyboy

Neb

that name was dropped some 32years ago! after we as a country stopped being so pathetic

 
Did we call them Alsatians due to the 'German' part of the real name then?.

yep, bit sad really but thankfully it was dropped and the true name lived on

sad is an under statement!....I honestly never knew that!
 
Cheers

Don't mention the war!

 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbIGhfbrlj0
 
 

Short haired GSD's have pretty long hair
Long haired GSD's look like a big ball fur lol

My parents have 7, 6 sort haired 1 long haired. The long haired one is the leader of the pack oddly, although female

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jackson


It's weird drab about the long hair gene being recessive. We had the father of the 6 year old aswell and the bitch he mated with was short haired yet all her puppies were long haired.

Interesting mate, there must be more to it than just one gene then I guess

You'd expect at least half of the pups to be short haired if it was just a matter of dominant vs recessive

Xx              xx

Xx   Xx  xx  xx

Those are not kisses in case anyone else was wondering lol

 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbIGhfbrlj0
 
 

please explain the recessive gene thing

The dominant gene basically over-rules the recessive gene mate

So the X's I put above are a simple example of how dominant and recessive genes work. The Xx and xx at the top represent the genes of the parents, and the X's underneath the genes of the pups

X is the dominant gene, in this case short hair

x is the recessive gene, in this case long hair

If you have any of the dominant genes then you have short hair. XX or Xx will give you short hair as X over-rules x

But you need both recessive genes to have long hair, xx

So you can see that even if one of the parents has just one dominant short hair gene, you would expect half of the pups to have short hair. In a different case where the father was double dominant then you'd expect all of the pups to have short hair, even if the mother was long haired

All this is assuming that hair length is controlled by one gene which is unlikely anyway given what Jackson said!

There will be much better and more indepth explanations online if you're interested mate, but those are the basics

 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbIGhfbrlj0
 
 

Fcuk me Drab, even I understood that!....thanks very much!

Dog people eh?

I'll believe it when I see it, Wheres my tin foil hat?