Who has made big gains from designer steroids alone?

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As per title, who has only used designer steroids (no classic steroids such as dianabol or test (???)) and has made large muscle improvements to their body?

Please state the total difference in your weight, the cycles used and the amount of time you have been using them for.  Before and after pics would be great.

On paper it would look like large gains can be made as they are steroids, but I am yet to see someone who has successful gone from say a natural 14 stone to an 18 stone man who clearly uses steroids.

Are injectables needed to get these kind of results or can they be achieved from designer steroids? 

Please answer using your experiences and not just what you have heard or believe to be the case.

Cheers

Honestly, after all the input in the thread, I'd love to see a change from "can you get as massive from DS/PH as you can with inj AAS" and the whole "no, you can't" creating a certain "impression" ,to "can you get as massive from DS/PH as you can with oral AAS" or even to "can you get as massive from oral AAS as you can with inj AAS" and watch the results...

WTF?? Can you repeat that in an understandable format please lol.
 
Oral AAS are the same as DS/PH, the only difference is that one is legal (due to a loophole) and the other is not, so there would be no point in having a discussion as to which would be better at gaining mass.
 

lol

First of all oral AAS are not the same as PH. I'm pretty sure you know the difference and you'll save me a little bit of typing as I have food waiting for me in the kitchen.

As for the DS and oral AAS, apart from the loophole, AAS have been around for long, are being used for medical purposes and are well-researched, something which is not the case for *most* DS. But one of the things they do share in common is their inability to compare to injectables

On the other hand, as I've underlined in my original quote, "classic" steroids were grouped together, being either oral or inj, with the examples being Dianabol and Test.

I don't think you believe you could get that big with dianabol as you would with Test, do you?...

So, despite what you're saying, there is a point in discussing this (ie comparing orals), while there is absolutely no comparison between inj and oral steroids, be it AAS or DS. So the discrimination between oral AAS and DS in the thread is absolutely useless

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As per title, who has only used designer steroids (no classic steroids such as dianabol or test (???)) and has made large muscle improvements to their body?

Please state the total difference in your weight, the cycles used and the amount of time you have been using them for.  Before and after pics would be great.

On paper it would look like large gains can be made as they are steroids, but I am yet to see someone who has successful gone from say a natural 14 stone to an 18 stone man who clearly uses steroids.

Are injectables needed to get these kind of results or can they be achieved from designer steroids? 

Please answer using your experiences and not just what you have heard or believe to be the case.

Cheers

Honestly, after all the input in the thread, I'd love to see a change from "can you get as massive from DS/PH as you can with inj AAS" and the whole "no, you can't" creating a certain "impression" ,to "can you get as massive from DS/PH as you can with oral AAS" or even to "can you get as massive from oral AAS as you can with inj AAS" and watch the results...

WTF?? Can you repeat that in an understandable format please lol.

Oral AAS are the same as DS/PH, the only difference is that one is legal (due to a loophole) and the other is not, so there would be no point in having a discussion as to which would be better at gaining mass.

lol

First of all oral AAS are not the same as PH. I'm pretty sure you know the difference and you'll save me a little bit of typing as I have food waiting for me in the kitchen.

As for the DS and oral AAS, apart from the loophole, AAS have been around for long, are being used for medical purposes and are well-researched, something which is not the case for *most* DS. But one of the things they do share in common is their inability to compare to injectables

On the other hand, as I've underlined in my original quote, "classic" steroids were grouped together, being either oral or inj, with the examples being Dianabol and Test.

I don't think you believe you could get that big with dianabol as you would with Test, do you?...

So, despite what you're saying, there is a point in discussing this (ie comparing orals), while there is absolutely no comparison between inj and oral steroids, be it AAS or DS. So the discrimination between oral AAS and DS in the thread is absolutely useless

You're not understanding my point mate... DS and Oral AAS (or classic steroids as you say) are the same in the fact that they're BOTH ORAL STEROIDS.
 
There would be no point in discussing the difference between the two in regards to gains, and it has been already been discussed a million times on every bodybuilding forum... but the fact remains that they are both oral steroids, regardless of how long they have been around.
 
What I am saying is; You can compare Oral steroids as a whole, which would include DS/PH and the classic orals like Dbol, winstrol, Tbol, Oxys etc... but there is no point in seperating the two for comparison.
 
And no, of course I don't think you can gain the same the same from Dbol as you can from injectables... lol.. if you could there would be a hell of lot more HUGE people walking around!

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I think we meant to say the same thing then

What I meant by PH/DS vs oral AAS was specific comparisons eg SD vs Dianabol etc, which as you say are very common in forums nowadays. I've seen lots of people though debunking DS as not being "the real stuff" because they don't yield the same results as a Test&Deca cycle, when the result would be the same as with any oral "classic" AAS as well. That's what I was trying to say

personally what turned me away from PH/PS is the fact that they are essentially COMPLETELY unregulated and unapproved for human use. in essence, companies can add whatever they deem appropriate to a new compound, mask its ingredients and sell it on the open market. this to me evokes extreme scepticism in actually using them again. im not sure if it was in my earlier post on this topic or on a similar topic but whilst using methyl test, the lower back pains, which i can only attribute to kidney and liver trauma, were horrific

to answer the direct question, diet, lifestyle, training, and rest are the key components to developing a great physique, supplements and in my case gear fit into the lifestyle section, as it is a life style choice for me. im 21, i dont drink alcohol, i get early nights, i eat cleanly everyday, except for my one meal every 2 weeks, im in my last year at university and how many students can say they havent had a beer in 2 years? if someone was to tell me that im my size simply due to having run ONE injectable cycle, id tell them to leave it out. steroids are a great ADDITION to your training. however thats exactly what they are, an addition. 

i think the idea of reliance on exogeneous hormones/supplements to develop size and strength is terrible really, i chose to use gear so my body can actually handle my desire and hunger to train and keep going and recover quicker!

but for anyone who uses injectables, looking back at the times when u used PHs or PSs is like wen u used to have a fumble with a girl behind the bike sheds at playtime, yea it was a good laugh at the time, but now ur doing the real thing u wudt go back lol  

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personally what turned me away from PH/PS is the fact that they are essentially COMPLETELY unregulated and unapproved for human use. in essence, companies can add whatever they deem appropriate to a new compound, mask its ingredients and sell it on the open market. this to me evokes extreme scepticism in actually using them again. im not sure if it was in my earlier post on this topic or on a similar topic but whilst using methyl test, the lower back pains, which i can only attribute to kidney and liver trauma, were horrific

to answer the direct question, diet, lifestyle, training, and rest are the key components to developing a great physique, supplements and in my case gear fit into the lifestyle section, as it is a life style choice for me. im 21, i dont drink alcohol, i get early nights, i eat cleanly everyday, except for my one meal every 2 weeks, im in my last year at university and how many students can say they havent had a beer in 2 years? if someone was to tell me that im my size simply due to having run ONE injectable cycle, id tell them to leave it out. steroids are a great ADDITION to your training. however thats exactly what they are, an addition. 

i think the idea of reliance on exogeneous hormones/supplements to develop size and strength is terrible really, i chose to use gear so my body can actually handle my desire and hunger to train and keep going and recover quicker!

but for anyone who uses injectables, looking back at the times when u used PHs or PSs is like wen u used to have a fumble with a girl behind the bike sheds at playtime, yea it was a good laugh at the time, but now ur doing the real thing u wudt go back lol  

Good post.

Yeah i'd agree with much said there tap out

I disagree with your assumption that the pains were due to 'kidney and liver trauma' though, muscle cramps are more likely

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I think we meant to say the same thing then

What I meant by PH/DS vs oral AAS was specific comparisons eg SD vs Dianabol etc, which as you say are very common in forums nowadays. I've seen lots of people though debunking DS as not being "the real stuff" because they don't yield the same results as a Test&Deca cycle, when the result would be the same as with any oral "classic" AAS as well. That's what I was trying to say

It seems we were!
I know what you mean, I've seen a lot of debates with ppl dis-crediting DS/PH, but if you buy from a reputable company, and get the real deal, then some of the DS are no doubt just as strong if not stronger than some of the classics.

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Yeah i'd agree with much said there tap out

I disagree with your assumption that the pains were due to 'kidney and liver trauma' though, muscle cramps are more likely

through dehydration?? could be a possibility, i used a kidney flush technique, which i cnt remember the ingredients as i was pretty concerned about the pains i was gtting, discontinued the use of m1t, and they stopped, havent had them since?

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personally what turned me away from PH/PS is the fact that they are essentially COMPLETELY unregulated and unapproved for human use. in essence, companies can add whatever they deem appropriate to a new compound, mask its ingredients and sell it on the open market. this to me evokes extreme scepticism in actually using them again. im not sure if it was in my earlier post on this topic or on a similar topic but whilst using methyl test, the lower back pains, which i can only attribute to kidney and liver trauma, were horrific

to answer the direct question, diet, lifestyle, training, and rest are the key components to developing a great physique, supplements and in my case gear fit into the lifestyle section, as it is a life style choice for me. im 21, i dont drink alcohol, i get early nights, i eat cleanly everyday, except for my one meal every 2 weeks, im in my last year at university and how many students can say they havent had a beer in 2 years? if someone was to tell me that im my size simply due to having run ONE injectable cycle, id tell them to leave it out. steroids are a great ADDITION to your training. however thats exactly what they are, an addition. 

i think the idea of reliance on exogeneous hormones/supplements to develop size and strength is terrible really, i chose to use gear so my body can actually handle my desire and hunger to train and keep going and recover quicker!

but for anyone who uses injectables, looking back at the times when u used PHs or PSs is like wen u used to have a fumble with a girl behind the bike sheds at playtime, yea it was a good laugh at the time, but now ur doing the real thing u wudt go back lol  

Good point (1st paragraph), but at least there is some form of quality control.  Unless you use pharma only injectables/orals then you really don't know what you're getting and the risks become the same as using a DS, IMO.  And if you get pharma, you have to verify if they are legit or not.  Many more counterfeits knocking around nowadays

Some DS' are based on steroids that have been around for a long time and have been used on humans.  the non-methyl version of epistane has been used in Japan, and let's not forget about our good old friend madol (pheraplex)

There are risks to be taken whichever route you take - part of the parcel I suppose

simm27996


hi powerhouse,
i have just finished my 3rd cycle of megvol, and personally i cannot fault them......much. The first cycle was as good as the second and the third. like vasquez says people dont put the correct sort of training,diet and recovery into place before hand, not to say everyone but people think these type of ds/ph are an easy fix. i started taking megavol about 1 year ago because my gains were really slowing down. i was told i didnt eat nearly enough to get the gains i was looking for. but for me eating 4000_5000 kcal a day was a mission on its own. But i can re assure you megavol does work. im positive you wouldnt get the gains like injectables but they are good with hardly any side effects. i gained on avererage about 12-14 pound on each corse which i kept 10lbs of every time. your muscles seem a lot firmer and skin feels a lot tighter and pumps when working out are sometimes a bit to much but all good, strength increase is good to. i did 3 tabs a day for 30 days on 60-90 days off. Honestly if you have hit some king of physical or even mental wall and want to give something a go i would defiitaly give megavol a go, if you want any more answers i will try and help

This guy kept 30 pounds on SD from three cycles....to me, that's a huge amount for an oral, so who says that it can't be done?

chances are he was nowhere near his genetic potential to start with

I was a top level 100% natural BBer for many years winning numerous titles. After putting away my posing trunks for good I thought I would try a few DS cycles (maybe midlife crisis lol) but I must add I started with muscular 19" arms (natural) 3 cycles later (Epi - 6 weeks, P-plex 4 weeks and Sdrol 4 weeks) over 18 months my arms peaked at  a muscular (not fat) 20.5" weight went from 15.5 stone 10%bf approx to just under 18 stone perhaps with an increase in BF though (3-4%). Due to joint problems I am down to 16.5-17 stone now. If I could have stood the sides (which for me I wouldn't risk now) I beleive I could have contnued to put on good size from just under 18 stone on P-plex it really worked wonders for me and actually helped my joints (whilst on) but as said sides were nasty and gave me minor Gyno that I couldn't shift. Due to what I wanted from DS and my personal lifestyle I would not do injectables now. My foray into DS proved to me that I respond amazingly well to AAS which was my main reason for testing the water so to speak. I have no doubt though that longer injectable cycles would probably have yeilded better gains.