anyone done a closed book law exam?

Blue_Lagoon3000


Righty i think you collect qualifications, i couldn't even do one that you have lol

No mate - I got 5 O levels in school.
I didn't finish my post-16 college course - I'd landed a good job halfway through it.
I also didn't sit my journalism exams - I was already on national newspapers by the time I was supposed to do them.

On paper, I have 5 O levels and, now, a Certificate in Mathematics (QCA Level 5).

That still makes me pretty undesirable on paper.

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a true inspiration mate - I would love to see a day or week plan for yourself to see how you fit all thje studying in around everything else. hats off to you.

I didn't even focus at all in school and didn't even get my O levels, wish i focused though because my general knowledge on english and maths etc is terrible.

rightyho

sillynarbie

I thought you already considered all of the above before focusing on that route? It's a shame the industry is like that but I guess there's not much you can do about it. At least you have a plan B. Is the Maths degree just for fun now then? 

I had, mate but it seems IB is a rapidly-evolving beast just lately.
In truth, I could get into it - I have a BarCap back door. But I have also been opening doors in other industries related to finance too.
One of my wife's customers is married to a financier who is on £500k basic. He couldn't be more helpful.
The maths degree is a cornerstone of my CV.
I don't know of a single employer who doesn't perk up at the mention of the words.
Even having the interim award from the uni for a percentage of a maths degree opened a huge door last week. I will know by Easter if I am allowed to walk through that door and remain with the "chosen people".

In essence, you get out not what you put in, but what you go and look for and take.
And I am in a taking mood.
I even trained last week as well. Too stiff to do much today.

If you really want to work in a bank and you have a back door take it! The who you know saying is never more appropriate than for banks. When you talk of interim awards and the chosen people am I assuming you're to some Uni as a full time student?

rockstar6181


a true inspiration mate - I would love to see a day or week plan for yourself to see how you fit all thje studying in around everything else. hats off to you.

Cheers mate - that's very kind of you to say so.

A typical day is simply this:

5:30am - up
5:30am-6am - consolidate last night's uni maths revision
6:30am - go to work
1:15pm-2pm - study one A level subject from maths, further maths, stats, physics and law
4:30pm - get home
4:30pm-6pm - study uni maths
6pm - collect missus from work
7pm - resume study until 10pm
10pm - go to bed and consolidate this morning's A level topic
10:30pm-5:30am - zzzzzzzzzzzzzz

I have Tuesday off completely, and Saturday off until 2pm at the moment.

The wife has a similar study pattern so she's cool with it.

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sillynarbie

When you talk of interim awards and the chosen people am I assuming you're to some Uni as a full time student?

No mate. I have stuck my beak into another profession and squeaked "I want, I want. Here, take my worms and twigs..."
They may let me into their nest, or they may chuck me from the tree.
I really can't say too much more until Easter.

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Mate those studying hours would make me cry, i can't even spend 20 mins a day reading a book that i really want to read. Sad really, but i just can't bring myself to focus on doing anything that doesn't entertain me.

^It entertains me mate, that's why I like studying these topics.

A waste of time, to me, would be to read fiction.

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Yeah even when i really really want to educate myself, eg read a book that would really halp me progress i put it down after about 2 minutes, even if i force myself to read it i read through the pages and don't take it in and it frustrates me as i have to read it over and over, i have some kind of ADHD which makes focusing on certain things extremely difficult.

No Blue, you have 21st century disease - a terrible affliction where everything is available on demand and quick fixes exist for everything - aside from self-education.

Want house? Borrow money.
Want car? Borrow money.
Want money? Fake accident and sue someone.
Want to learn - fcuk, sh1t, have to do that yourself without shortcuts.

Sillynarbie gave me some sterling advice last year which, paraphrased, was: "Eat something, turn your fcuking internet off, turn your fcuking tv off, turn your fcuking phone off, put a "do not fcuking disturb" sign up on a door, close the door, sit in the room with a book, a light, a pencil and some paper. Then study."

It was nearly impossible for me at first mate. Now, after a year, I have acquired study skills and could pwn most brick uni students for application and concentration (apart from those Chinese ones who do 80 hours a week).

Gym = no pain, no gain.
Brain training = the same.

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rightyho

Gym = no pain, no gain.
Brain training = the same.

Quoted for truth brother. Very well put!

JOURNAL
 
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Always never broke 'cos I'm usually paid.

rightyho


No Blue, you have 21st century disease - a terrible affliction where everything is available on demand and quick fixes exist for everything - aside from self-education.

Want house? Borrow money.
Want car? Borrow money.
Want money? Fake accident and sue someone.
Want to learn - fcuk, sh1t, have to do that yourself without shortcuts.

Sillynarbie gave me some sterling advice last year which, paraphrased, was: "Eat something, turn your fcuking internet off, turn your fcuking tv off, turn your fcuking phone off, put a "do not fcuking disturb" sign up on a door, close the door, sit in the room with a book, a light, a pencil and some paper. Then study."

It was nearly impossible for me at first mate. Now, after a year, I have acquired study skills and could pwn most brick uni students for application and concentration (apart from those Chinese ones who do 80 hours a week).

Gym = no pain, no gain.
Brain training = the same.

Your right about the 21st century thing, and the main reason i don't get the urge to learn is because i have luckily fell on my feet already and i don't know how i would benefit from learning new things, suppose if i needed to learn i could do but im just lazy tbh, as you say taking shortcuts the easiest route

sillynarbie

CitizenKane

odog

like maths gcse was about my limit.  god knows what anything above that is like.

I'm actually really interested in maths, but I'm absolutely terrible at it! Would love to have been able to study it at 3rd level, but I barely passed maths in school haha. Is that kinda strange?

How can you be terrible at it? It's just logic. I honestly believe anybody can do maths, people just have bad experiences/teachers/don't see "the light" and therefore assume they are bad at it. 

Ah I think everybody is different. If you say to me really quickly 'what's 7 x 12' I'd freeze up and take ages to figure it out, whereas if you said it to some people they'd give you the answer immediately. I have quite a logical mind in a lot of aspects (law, particularly!) but I'm just not naturally good with numbers, as some people are.

But having said that I do kind of agree with you, perhaps it was to do with how I was taught.

I reckon later on in life once I have a settled job etc. I will have a crack at studying maths again. It would probably be the ultimate challenge for me. And I love a challenge! I'd really really enjoy that I think.

JOURNAL
 
I'm tougher than leather, I'm smoother than suede,
Always never broke 'cos I'm usually paid.

rightyho


No Blue, you have 21st century disease - a terrible affliction where everything is available on demand and quick fixes exist for everything - aside from self-education.

Want house? Borrow money.
Want car? Borrow money.
Want money? Fake accident and sue someone.
Want to learn - fcuk, sh1t, have to do that yourself without shortcuts.

Sillynarbie gave me some sterling advice last year which, paraphrased, was: "Eat something, turn your fcuking internet off, turn your fcuking tv off, turn your fcuking phone off, put a "do not fcuking disturb" sign up on a door, close the door, sit in the room with a book, a light, a pencil and some paper. Then study."

It was nearly impossible for me at first mate. Now, after a year, I have acquired study skills and could pwn most brick uni students for application and concentration (apart from those Chinese ones who do 80 hours a week).

Gym = no pain, no gain.
Brain training = the same.

lol, I'm sure I was much more polite than you make me out to be. Your gym analogy is spot on though, as my maths tutor once told our seminar group "you are mental athletes" and the amount of mental pain I've put myself through in the last 6 months I'd have to agree. Can't wait for it all to end 

CitizenKane

sillynarbie

CitizenKane

odog

like maths gcse was about my limit.  god knows what anything above that is like.

I'm actually really interested in maths, but I'm absolutely terrible at it! Would love to have been able to study it at 3rd level, but I barely passed maths in school haha. Is that kinda strange?

How can you be terrible at it? It's just logic. I honestly believe anybody can do maths, people just have bad experiences/teachers/don't see "the light" and therefore assume they are bad at it. 

Ah I think everybody is different. If you say to me really quickly 'what's 7 x 12' I'd freeze up and take ages to figure it out, whereas if you said it to some people they'd give you the answer immediately. I have quite a logical mind in a lot of aspects (law, particularly!) but I'm just not naturally good with numbers, as some people are.

But having said that I do kind of agree with you, perhaps it was to do with how I was taught.

I reckon later on in life once I have a settled job etc. I will have a crack at studying maths again. It would probably be the ultimate challenge for me. And I love a challenge! I'd really really enjoy that I think.

7*12 is not maths. That's numeracy. I can't remember the last time I was required to do such a trivial mental sum - that's what calculators are for. Mathematics is all about patterns, relationships, structure, logic etc. If you like that then you can't fail to like Maths. It's the ultimate and purest form of logic. 

Blue_Lagoon3000

rightyho


No Blue, you have 21st century disease - a terrible affliction where everything is available on demand and quick fixes exist for everything - aside from self-education.

Want house? Borrow money.
Want car? Borrow money.
Want money? Fake accident and sue someone.
Want to learn - fcuk, sh1t, have to do that yourself without shortcuts.

Sillynarbie gave me some sterling advice last year which, paraphrased, was: "Eat something, turn your fcuking internet off, turn your fcuking tv off, turn your fcuking phone off, put a "do not fcuking disturb" sign up on a door, close the door, sit in the room with a book, a light, a pencil and some paper. Then study."

It was nearly impossible for me at first mate. Now, after a year, I have acquired study skills and could pwn most brick uni students for application and concentration (apart from those Chinese ones who do 80 hours a week).

Gym = no pain, no gain.
Brain training = the same.

Your right about the 21st century thing, and the main reason i don't get the urge to learn is because i have luckily fell on my feet already and i don't know how i would benefit from learning new things, suppose if i needed to learn i could do but im just lazy tbh, as you say taking shortcuts the easiest route

 


Fell on your feet? I don't know what your version of landing on your feet is but something like earning 100k+ in my first year out of Uni and 1mil+ within 7 is more my idea. That's what a little bit of studying can do for you. 

sillynarbie

7*12 is not maths. That's numeracy. I can't remember the last time I was required to do such a trivial mental sum - that's what calculators are for. Mathematics is all about patterns, relationships, structure, logic etc. If you like that then you can't fail to like Maths. It's the ultimate and purest form of logic. 

I guess I'm basing this all on past academic performance. In school I just did really badly at maths. In my LC (the equivalent of A levels in the UK) I barely passed Maths.

BUT, now that I think about it, I wasn't really that interested in maths back then. I hated it in fact. But then somehow a year or two ago I just realised that I actually am interested in it. I started reading books like 'Fermat's Last Theorem' (Singh) and 'God Created the Integers' (Hawking). I'm fascinated with it all now. Obviously I've never been able to apply any of this academically because I've been studying in other areas. But more and more I'm liking the idea!

JOURNAL
 
I'm tougher than leather, I'm smoother than suede,
Always never broke 'cos I'm usually paid.

CitizenKane

sillynarbie

7*12 is not maths. That's numeracy. I can't remember the last time I was required to do such a trivial mental sum - that's what calculators are for. Mathematics is all about patterns, relationships, structure, logic etc. If you like that then you can't fail to like Maths. It's the ultimate and purest form of logic. 

I guess I'm basing this all on past academic performance. In school I just did really badly at maths. In my LC (the equivalent of A levels in the UK) I barely passed Maths.

BUT, now that I think about it, I wasn't really that interested in maths back then. I hated it in fact. But then somehow a year or two ago I just realised that I actually am interested in it. I started reading books like 'Fermat's Last Theorem' (Singh) and 'God Created the Integers' (Hawking). I'm fascinated with it all now. Obviously I've never been able to apply any of this academically because I've been studying in other areas. But more and more I'm liking the idea!

Cool. Well I'm not gonna sit here and say you should do it because to be honest it takes a lot of dedication and unless your heart is truly in it you'll never make it to the end. If you really fancy it then I say go for it, but don't let past experience dictate whether or not you make the move, since any maths you've done in the past isn't anything like what you'll do in a degree. 

CitizenKane

In my LC (the equivalent of A levels in the UK) I barely passed Maths.

I find it hard to believe the Irish Leaving Cert is only equivalent to A levels.
I know when I moved to the UK from Ireland I spent two years treading water in maths, English, science, geography and history since UK education is a country mile behind Ireland's tbh.

No wonder we breed illiterate morons - we don't teach them.

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rightyho

Second year mate.
I have a keen interest in law.
I was a criminal court reporter for five years on local and provincial papers.
I have also represented myself many times in small claims court, and I have just settled out of court with a utility supply company after beginning proceedings against them for harassment, by citing Ferguson v British Gas Trading.

My main interest lies, I think, in commercial contract law.
I think it would probably lie in criminal law if there was any money in it, though.

I am doing two separate degrees - BSc (Hons) in Mathematics and the LLB (Hons), plus five A levels.

I will have them all finished in three-and-a-half years, when I am 44.

I see. I'm sure you'll be fine then, the biggest thing I think is paying attention to the few endless cases where judges waffle on about irrelevant ****. And, like you say, they're for the most part, illiterate. I was shocked to find this out when I started my degree, now it's just irritating.

This thread has actually been quite inspirational. Especially seeing you're timetable. If you haven't tried the mind maps before, I think you will find they suit your style of learning (i.e. reading/consolidating) as once you get into it, they really are short and sweet.