Bought Lipostabil/lipodissolve injections....

I purchased a lipodissolve kit online recently - has anyone used this before? It came with all the necessary ingredients and instructions, along with needles. However, I found out that there are different cocktails.

Does anyone know the best one for reducing localized fat? So far, I have used it once - yet it has not been more than one week and it says it can take 2 weeks to see results and several sessions.

I'm not a bodybuilder, but I have read about lipostabil in many BB forums and am hoping someone can provide some info about fat dissolving injections.

TIA

Sorry, never heard of it.

Does it come with a leaflet? Can you scan and post? I`m curious...

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the injections are generally for very small areas of localised fat. how much are you hoping to lose? I spoke to a consultant who said they werent suited for certain areas depending on the grade and scale of fat. Where are you going to try it? Would be interested to hear how it goes....

never heard about that too! seems interesting, can u give us (or send me in pvt msg) more info and links?
thaks

Be interested in your results Jenna. I've hear mixed things about these injections but would be interested in direct user feedback, as I'm sure most people in here would! Please post your experiences and results.

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I will - so far no bruising or itching - slight swelling but nothing major. I know a woman who used this on a small area of her stomach - she self-injected - and within a few weeks the area was noticeably reduced in size. However, she used a different cocktail than I am using.

If anyone knows about these injections, or can recommend a similar product, I'd be very interested in hearing about them.

Thanks!

this is the most interesting post for me in a long while , thanks jenna for posting it and thanks in advance for the updates

No problem - I have been researching this for many months and have spoken to doctors in Germany who have been using this for years. I emailed one doctor that is mentioned on this site:

http://www.aesthetic-lipolysis.org/index.php?option=method.php

Luckily, I was able to translate some German so I can interact on message boards and emails - there are some message boards dedicated to this topic only - unfortunatley they are in German. Almost all of the people self-inject and from what I have read it seems over 80% see an improvement - those that don't are not effected in a negative way - which is promising as it seems to be very safe.

Lipodissolve is totally different than mesotherapy and much more powerful - results are seen within 1-3 sessions, as opposed to many more meso sessions. I have also read on some BB forums that people have gotten nice results. I will post more as time goes on - I have not seen results yet, but it is way too early to tell.

-Jenna

Where are you jabbing it if you don`t mind me asking?

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So far, the test areas are inner knees and outer thighs - about the diameter of a golf ball. Each injection is 2cm apart in a circular form.

Jenna

any pain during injection or not.

It all depends on where you inject - at least for me. I have a very high pain tolerance to begin with so the most difficult spots were the inner knees closer to the bone and ligaments. I also have leftover lidocaine cream from another injury, so I rubbed that on some areas 20 minutes prior to injection (this is also what is recommended). But most of the times I just injected without it. The lipodissolve kit came with short syringes, so you are limited in depth. Each injection is supposed to be .1cc spread out 2cm. And from what I've researched, that seems to be the protocol for most areas.

When I am done with this kit, I may try another cocktail to see if I get better/different results.

I personally notice a slight difference in my knee area. But I never measured it prior to injecting, so I am going to measure my 'virgin' left thigh and try injecting that area next week.

Jenna

Very interesting thread - I'm diabetic and suffer slightly from a condition called lipohypertrophy - basically through many many years of insulin injections, mainly round my belly button, I have pockets of hard to lose fat, even when lean. I used to inject all around my body - i.e. arms, legs etc, but to be honest, I don't like going intramuscular as the predicatbility of the injection onset/duration is harder, plus i get a little bruising.

My condition isn't bad enough to need something like liposuction, though I had heard of something called liposculpting which is a less invasive form of -suction, but this dissolve thing has piqued my interest - it might just be the ideal way to lean out my lower abs again....

I'll be watching your 'journal'. Did you get the stuff in UK, or was it sent from abroad?

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From the link I posted previously, that kit came from Japan. It arrived within 2 weeks after I bought it. There are other sites that sell this - but none in the US that I can find. I did not need a script or anything else - just a credit card.

Surprisingly it was very easy to get. It came with 16 vials (4 of each different solution) and a pack of syringes.

HTH!

Jenna

I've been doing a lot of research on mesotherapy and from what I've found, the most credible studies on the compounds used have been done in Brazil. In those studies, only phosphatidylcholine was administered.

The big difference between what the clinical studies involve and the lipostabil recommendations are the dosages. In the most effective of the studies, I found Dr. Patricia Guedes Rittes administered 5ml at 250 mg distributed evenly throughout an 80 cm area at intervals of 15 days. Everyone of her patients was successful.


You might have better luck with your results if you increase the dose of phosphatidylcholine. EDIT: This is a POM. No source/price discussion please.

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Link to study




I found another study published in the Journal of Drugs in Dermatology where the doctor used a injected .2ml into points 2 cm apart using two vials of 10ml. This study, done by five physicians was also successful.

Yo Jenna,

how goes the treatment? do keep us posted ... very interested in the effectiveness of that product.

cheers,

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The product Lipostabil®, also marketed as Flabjab™, Lipomelt, Lipodissolve and Fat-Away, is being promoted as a cosmetic in the UK and is available for the reduction of fat.

Definition of a medicinal product A relevant “medicinal product” is defined in Article 1 of Directive 2001/83/EC as: “Any substance or combination of substances presented for treating or preventing disease in human beings. Any substance or combination of substances which may be administered to human beings with a view to making a medical diagnosis or to restoring, correcting or modifying physiological functions in human beings is likewise considered a medicinal product”.

Lipostabil The product Lipostabil® is an intravenous preparation of phosphatidycholine and is for the prevention and treatment of blood vessel blockages caused by fat particles (fat embolism). It is indicated as a medication for reducing blood fat (liquid reducer). It is a licensed medicine in some European Member States but not the UK. The Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) has determined that Lipostabil® is a relevant medicinal product and subject to the provisions of The Medicines For Human use (Marketing Authorisations Etc) Regulations 1994 as amended (Statutory Instrument 1994/3144). In accordance with section 3(1) of S.I. 1994/3144, no relevant medicinal product shall be placed on the market unless a marketing authorisation (formerly Product Licence) has been granted for it.

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There are other sites that sell this - but none in the US that I can find. I did not need a script or anything else - just a credit card.

That doesn't necessarily mean you didn't actually need a script.

You need a script for steroids for example to obtain & posess them legally, obviously suppliers are more than happy to sell them without.

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any reply from Jenna on progress would be good right now

Hi Jenna,
I found another product comes with procaine. I'd like to know how it is going for you. Could you also maybe scan the step by step protocole and send it to me by email. I want to compare and have as much testimonies before trying it. Let me know your results. My direct email: dianef20@aol.com. Thanks.
Diane.

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THAT CAN GIVE ME SOME TIP!!!!!! I JUST BOUGHT AND NOT REALLY SURE IF I AM DOING RIGHT

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Here's some instructions I have got hold of:

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This is what the manufacturer/supplier suggests for their products, though I suspect these apply more to mesotherapy than Phosphatidylcholine as results tend to be seen much sooner in the latter:

"Treatments of 25 to 100 injections are generally given once a week over a period of 4 - 10 weeks. It’s virtually pain-free with no recovery time. Practitioners say most patients see good results within 4 weeks, although some will continue the therapy for up to 10 weeks. As long as clients continue to follow their diet, the results should be permanent."

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hi jena - what is the latest status? You can email me at htmnkysx@yahoo.com
i am looking to do the same

I have had good results using Lipostabil = phosphatidylcholine

similar to the helios i'm using.

lipodesolve is basically a drug injected after a heart attack to clear the veins and arteries of cholesterol - at some point someone missed the vein and "discovered" that it could also "melt" the fat in the area local to the injection. think this was discovered in 1954 or so. if you read thru my thread you'll get a little more info. ninja helios journal

lipodisolve is a cosmetic proceedure costign £350 per session with perhaps 4 or 5 sessions to get the required sesults. it's similar to liposuction in it's effect but takes a lot longer to get there. on the midrift for example you would be injected perhaps 8-12 times with 0.25-0.5 ml of lipodisolve. it can take 6 weeks to see the full benefit tho so it's not fast!!! and you will normally get some bruising in the injection points.

my gf's mate has used this on her belly and although she spent £700 on it she continued to eat the pies and drink heavy etc (classy chick) and it made no difference at all.

there's a place called sk:n in glasgow, george street that do this as part of their cosmetic surgery line.

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lipodisolve is a cosmetic proceedure costign £350 per session

The prices charged for this procedure are nuts. Self administration would lower costs significantly.

...with perhaps 4 or 5 sessions to get the required sesults.

I would imagine this to be very optimistic.

on the midrift for example you would be injected perhaps 8-12 times

The lower ab area will require around 30-50 injections

with 0.25-0.5 ml of lipodisolve.

This is dependant on the concentration of the phosphatidylcholine. I understand the normal injection volume to be lower per shot.

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My mate is using this who is dieting for a comp in 8 weeks.

I was wondering if anyone could post an update about this?

For the guys and girls who have used the self-administered kits, have you found it works well?

How much are these self-administered kits? (I'm not asking where to buy it cos that is against the rules)

Its interesting that Lipostabil is legal to import and self-administer though (http://www.mhra.gov.uk/home/groups/is-pol/documents/drugsafetymessage/con2018128.pdf)

Thanks

Still wondering if anyone has an update about the product? Anyone else used it?