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2005/10/17 08:19:54 (permalink)

Equipoise + Test for Mass Building Cycle?

Sorry if I'm beating this equipoise thing to death, but I was wondering if stacking eq with test for a mass cycle is a waste since eq is best used for cutting. Most people I know who've used eq say mass gains are minimal but is good for cutting because it doesn't aromatize much.

However, if stacked with test, can the eq enhance the mass builidng effect of the cycle? I'm interested in using eq because it seems to produce little side effects. (I've used deca before but had a lot of side effects with it.) I also thought of stacking test with oxandrolone but ox is supposed to suppress appetite which I don't want during a mass cycle. So eq seems to be the steroid of choice for me assuming it would be effective if stacked with the test.

Also, can anyone can recommend a good way to stack these two?

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    RE: Equipoise + Test for Mass Building Cycle? 2005/10/17 10:24:10 (permalink)
    doing this at the moment!
    So time will tell.
    also id say it depends on the diet!

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    RE: Equipoise + Test for Mass Building Cycle? 2005/10/17 13:22:05 (permalink)
    test e 500mg - 750mg
    eq 400mg - 600mg
    10 to 12 weeks mate sould get you some nice gains and eq will make you hungry i have never run it but i no people that have a they say they are always hungry

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    RE: Equipoise + Test for Mass Building Cycle? 2005/10/17 13:42:59 (permalink)
    I never found an increase in hunger whilst running EQ
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    RE: Equipoise + Test for Mass Building Cycle? 2005/10/17 14:56:12 (permalink)
    Works for me.
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    RE: Equipoise + Test for Mass Building Cycle? 2005/10/17 15:33:04 (permalink)
    really everyone i talk to says they do thats one reason i have not run it i would like to but i could eat for england as it is so it has always worried me i uesd to be a big fat 20st 6 and am scared of getting fat again

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    RE: Equipoise + Test for Mass Building Cycle? 2005/10/17 16:34:28 (permalink)
    no appetite increase for me either, its not the best choice for a bulker imo, why dont you want to run deca?
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    RE: Equipoise + Test for Mass Building Cycle? 2005/10/17 16:42:18 (permalink)
    Its nevr made me hungry either.. urban myth if you ask me..

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    RE: Equipoise + Test for Mass Building Cycle? 2005/10/17 16:50:46 (permalink)
    i want to run eq now was tinking of giveing the fast acting a go im well in to a cutter but been doing it clean im now at the stage were im loseing lbm as well as the little fat i have left im about 7 % so fell if im going to keep going i will need abit of aas and now you say it dont up appetite may give it ago

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    RE: Equipoise + Test for Mass Building Cycle? 2005/10/17 17:32:08 (permalink)
    Doesn't seem to do a lot for my appetite either TBH.

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    RE: Equipoise + Test for Mass Building Cycle? 2005/10/17 18:49:39 (permalink)
    Im running a test prop, EQ stack now mate - I'm into my 3rd week. I feel hungrier definitely - but then that could be because Im now used 2 consuming 5000 calories per day - it was hard at first.

    I'm on relatively low dosages as well - my strength has increased - im repping 180kg on the bench for 3 reps -
    thats a 2 rep increase.

    As for mass ive put on about 4lbs but I look and feel harder - I don't want any bloat - which is y I went with the prop\EQ stack - so far so good - tho I would like another 10 lbs or so.

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    RE: Equipoise + Test for Mass Building Cycle? 2005/10/17 18:59:01 (permalink)
    the guys on here don't seem to rate EQ a lot, although i've heard a lot of positive things about it on the US boards

    seems like 1 of them drugs that either agrees with you or it dosen't, i was thinking of adding it to my forthcoming test cycle at 400mg/wk, but i feel it would be useful to check out test alone first

    its upto you whether or not you run it, i've heard it is a good replacement for deca, as it dosen't convert to progesterone so it won't hit your HPTA quite as hard as deca/tren would, it also converts to estrogen at a much lower rate than test, so sides are pretty rare, and it increases collagen sythesis, protein synthesis, and RBC which is good if you play sports

    to answer your main question, EQ/test is a very common mass builder
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    RE: Equipoise + Test for Mass Building Cycle? 2005/10/17 19:58:50 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: Big_TN

    I'm on relatively low dosages as well - my strength has increased - im repping 180kg on the bench effortlessly - saying that tho I could press 180kg b4 hand



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    Do i smell something..........
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    RE: Equipoise + Test for Mass Building Cycle? 2005/10/17 21:18:48 (permalink)
    I think you definately need 600mg/week of Eq for it too work.
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    RE: Equipoise + Test for Mass Building Cycle? 2005/10/17 21:18:51 (permalink)
    No u dont - those stats were written down 6 months ago b4 my first course. After the test prop and winny course - that bench increased.


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    RE: Equipoise + Test for Mass Building Cycle? 2005/10/17 21:21:15 (permalink)
    i think you are smelling the same thing i am smelling mate

    to answer your main question, EQ/test is a very common mass builder



    disagree with that, it is seldom used as a bulker because there are many better drugs for bulking, it is good on a cutter or to aid sport performance though
    post edited by ihawk - 2005/10/17 21:23:13
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    RE: Equipoise + Test for Mass Building Cycle? 2005/10/17 21:36:25 (permalink)
    im repping 180kg on the bench effortlessly


    thats the sort of quote that is obvious rubbish mate, very few if any guys in the world rep with 180kg effortlessly, it ell you what post up a video of you repping out 10 effortlessly and ill send you £20.00 and admit i am wrong, otherwise i would suggest the schoolboy type boasts are probably better used elsewhere. btw good luck with your lifting and real progress
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    RE: Equipoise + Test for Mass Building Cycle? 2005/10/17 21:53:08 (permalink)
    test and eq was my first cycle gained 16 pounds! Yeah the eq will enhance the gains from the test without increaseing the sides, Eq and test is probably one of the best cycles, the two compliment each other nicely because eq is almost identical to test anyway it just has less sides so when you run 500mgs test and 400mgs eq your almost getting the gains you would have got off 900mgs test without the increase in sides.
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    RE: Equipoise + Test for Mass Building Cycle? 2005/10/17 21:54:14 (permalink)
    What I meant by effortlessly was - ok that was terrible wording - is that it has improved my bench - I can do 180kg for 3 reps - thats a 2 rep increase. A 10 repper I am not. I wasn't attempting 2 brag nor do I care who believes me or not - I use a powerlifting base for my workouts and I used 2 powerlift previously.

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    RE: Equipoise + Test for Mass Building Cycle? 2005/10/17 22:45:35 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: ihawk

    i think you are smelling the same thing i am smelling mate

    to answer your main question, EQ/test is a very common mass builder



    disagree with that, it is seldom used as a bulker because there are many better drugs for bulking, it is good on a cutter or to aid sport performance though

    there is no denying that test+EQ has become a very popular bulker, especially in the states where many guys seem to be running EQ as a replacement for deca, i'm not saying EQ is the best thing for bulking but it does have its benefits on a bulker (increased appitite, collegen synthesis (which strengthens ligaments+tendons), increased RBC, and obviously its mainly anabolic), from the research i've done i certainly feel it would be a good addition to a test based bulking cycle
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