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RE: **Toms Mission - Big(er) and Explosive** - Aug. 6 2006 0:22:15
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From what they were saying, you could do like a clean bulk, by cycling the carbs it would promote lean muscle gain and reduce the amount of fat gained on the bulker. but yea, mostly its used for a cutting cycle. the informations a bit patchy, but it seems like it promotes clean gains.
Here is the article i found.
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RE: **Toms Mission - Big(er) and Explosive** - Aug. 6 2006 23:32:43
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Well had another sucessful days chomping 
wake - whey in water
Brekkie - oats, soya yoghurt, soya milk, berries and pb ( how i love my pb  )
snack - bowl of home made musli with whey (oats, sultanas nuts and seeds)
lunch - Tin of salmon, pinto beans, broccoli and rice cakes
snack - some home made chili con carne with oat cakes
tea - sweet potato, tuna steak, broccoli and more chili con carne
snack - tuna steak with pb and oatcakes
Had to go shopping and forkout for more grub, got bloody soaked! 
Just trying to get my routine sorted out ( check out bb routine forum for my q ) Must say i like the look of the bill starr one i put up.
I'm getting in to this bulking buisness now! shame its all going to be disrupted! Bloody 4 day cycle trip! 
then going to rowing world champs in windsor! but should be able to find a good gym there to use! (anyone know of any?) then to mauritius and dubai( this i am not complaining aboot) the hotels say they have gyms but i dunno if they will have weights or not. Sure as hell hope so, may aswell make the best of the good grub i will be getting 
I think i will consider the cycle trib a "deload" or break as i have not had a break from [sm=barbell.gif since i began workoing out a few months ago.
Ahhh! My progress will be cronic this first month, one i start at uni i will hopefully be able to go without interuptions!
Any hoo enough babbling on!
Chow for now
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RE: **Toms Mission - Big(er) and Explosive** - Aug. 7 2006 9:52:31
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Ok, i have decided to change my routine! Already i hear you scream 
Basically im gonna go for a good ol' bill starr routine, (as suggested by several folks) as a few ppl on here have had great gains with it, so its tried and tested. I will go for the waterbury routines later on when i am more experienced.
I have edited the original post with the routine in it, but will post it again for your convenience....
Routine:
Mon
Squat 5 x 5
bench press 5 x 5
power clean 5 x 5
weighted crunch 4 x 8
weighted hyper extensions 2 x 8
Wed
Squat 4 x 5
incline bench press 4 x 5
High pulls 4 x 5
Obliques 3 x 8
Fri 4 x 6
Squat 4 x 5
Bench press 4 x 5
Deadlift 4 x 5
Dips 3 x 6
chins 3 x 8
http://www.deepsquatter.com/strength/archives/manrodt4.htm
Yay finally got a routine, and im gonna stick to it damn it
Im off to do mondays wrkout soon! will post up weights later
Tom
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RE: **Toms Mission - Big(er) and Explosive** - Aug. 7 2006 22:34:45
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BARBUDA
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Rightio, had my first workout of this routine today and loved it! j'adore le bill starr
Squat 5 x 5 - 50kg, 60kg, 70kg, 75kg, 77.5kg
DB Bench press 5 x 5 - 16kg, 18kg, 18kg, 20kg, 22kg
Powerclean 5 x5 - 22.5kg, 27.5kg, 30kg, 32.5kg, 32.5kg (weights do not include bar)
Hypers 2 x 8 - 15kg, 15kg
Crunches 4 x 8 - 45kg, 45kg, 50kg, 55kg
Power cleans are so good, i love em' 
Bench press could have been better! i have used 22kg for all 5 sets beofre when i tried 5 x 5 
Oooohhhh... exam results tomorrow 
Tom
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RE: **Toms Mission - Big(er) and Explosive** - Aug. 9 2006 15:45:32
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Today was light day
Squat 4 x 5 - 50kg, 60kg, 70kg, 70kg
Incline bench 4 x 5 - 16kg, 18kg, 20kg, 22kg db's
Highpull 4 x 5 - 32.5kg for all (not including bar)
Ahh dont have time to type the rest. I am heading off on the wee cycle trip today!
Cya on monday
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RE: **Toms Mission - Big(er) and Explosive** - Aug. 9 2006 16:31:58
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Looks like it is going well mate
You have a really good size and shape to start adding mass mate all the best
Make sure you keep us updated
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RE: **Toms Mission - Big(er) and Explosive** - Aug. 11 2006 21:19:00
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Good lift selection. power cleans are ace for all over development. are your numbers all without the bar weight included?
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RE: **Toms Mission - Big(er) and Explosive** - Aug. 11 2006 21:51:38
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Hi guys....yes i am back early After the first day which was abot 50 miles my knee was pretty sore, i have had this before (usally after grueling repetative stuff) so had to abandon ship, dont want to jeapordise my ability to squat I did really enjoy the first day we cycled from carbisdale castle down to strathpeffer, not sure if thesenames wll mean anything to anyone. Some nice tough hills, which i actually enjoyed 
The group of friends i was with were quite a bit slower (despite the fact they did not have panniers and i did) so i got plenty of rest at the top of every hill waiting for them, just enough time to much away some protein bars!
Word of advice : Never ever wolf down 4 large protein bars then immediatly start cycling, it messed with my digestion big time! i felt like i was pregnant, bloody agaony.
Thanks for the encouragment dead_weight, keeps me motivated!
Wogihao, it was only for power cleans i have not included the weight of the bar! My squat weights do include the oly bar!
Well i am rather bored tonight so i thought i would post up what has been my nutritionally worst day for months  I did not really have too much choice as i was in a b & b for the am. In the car during lunch on a long journey, having had to leave my bag full of protein bars behind then tea had to be wolfed down beofre getting on the train home.
Brekkie - porridge & jam, white toast with an egg and tomatoes
Snack - trek bar
Lunch - tescos finst tuna sarney
snack - rice cakes with homous and ham
tea - baked beans, rice cakes and marmite What was i thinking?
Snack - oatcakes, pb and borccoli
On reflection it could have been worst, just felt like alot of crap, mainly breakfast.
Will update with tomorrows workout!
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RE: **Toms Mission - Big(er) and Explosive** (!Bill sta... - Aug. 12 2006 16:12:49
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Todays workout was great! Tis still early days yet but i am loving the routine! Bill starr rocks
Medium day
Squat 4 x 5, triple, backoff
50kg
60kg
70kg
75kg
80kg x 3
70kg x 8
Bench 4 x5, triple, backoff
16kg db's
18kg db's
18kg db's
20kg db's
24kg db's x 3
18kg bd's x 8
Deadlift 5 x 5 (not including bar)
40kg
60kg
70kg
72.5kg
75kg
Chins 5 x 5
Body
Body + 1kg
Body + 2kg
Body + 4kg
Body + 6kg
Dips 3 x 8
Body + 5kg
Body + 5kg
Body + 5kg
Was chuffed with todays workout! Felt strong and enjoyed it! Def think i can go heavier with the weighted chins, i need to get a dipping belt though as all this holding it with my feet is getting annoying!
My weight is also up today! now 64kg. This is quite a big gain over a week (i think) but im putting it down to being all carbed up etc...
Bring on mondays workout!!!
Over and out!
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RE: **Toms Mission - Big(er) and Explosive** (!Bill sta... - Aug. 13 2006 22:24:17
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I am pretty bored tonight so thought i would add a post! I got a dipping belt today very pleased and cant wait to use it on friday for chins oont dips!
I have been doing some gpp the last few days, but eating plenty to level it out, going for g-flux
I did sprints round the streets, burpees, grip work and some other explosive movements! all good fun
Tomorrow i am going to get some heavy duty bags to fill with sand to use for gpp. I also plan to take some bags on holiday and fill when im there for some gpp beach style
Todays diet has been like this
wake- whey in water
brekkie - oats, soya yogurt, berries and pb
snack - home made protein bar and small bowl of home made musli( oats, sultanas, nuts, flax )
lunch - tuna cake (tt recipe) broccoli & homous
snack - rice cakes, mixture of beans and ham
tea - sweet potato, oatcakes, sea bass and salad
snack - hmmmm........ not sure yet, mabey eggs!
looking forward to 2moros workout, bring on the power cleans!
Tom
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RE: **Toms Mission - Big(er) and Explosive** (!Bill sta... - Aug. 15 2006 0:13:35
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howdie tom me oldchina !!!
your doing some workouts there matey, as your young,lean and no doubt firm {stops ghey thoughts, as i am completely not ghey} LMAO, bummer being lactose intollerant, still, just godda make the best of what we have !!
for putting size on, please ignore some increase in bodyfat - just eat like mad and train hard ,heavy and consistently.
being 6 foot tall is ace !!! i piddy tha foo that is 5 foot 11 !!!
( thats what i would say if i was 6 foot,but im only 5'7")
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RE: **Toms Mission - Big(er) and Explosive** (!Bill sta... - Aug. 15 2006 0:24:18
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Liftings going realy well for you fella! keep it up.
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RE: **Toms Mission - Big(er) and Explosive** (!Bill sta... - Aug. 15 2006 0:36:11
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Thanks alot guys!
I am begining to think you are right boar... i wont make it to 6 foot, all this squating is prob shrinking me
Wel seeing how im here now i will post todays workout!
Squat 5 x 5
50kg
60kg
70kg
77.5kg
80kg ( feel the burn, i think the guy staring at me in the gym today thought i was gonna explode on this last rep  ?
Bench 5 x 5 ( all db's )
16kg
18kg
20kg
22kg
24kg
This was much better than last week! felt i could have done more!
Powerclean 5 x 5 (does not include bar)
25kg
27.5kg
30kg
32.5kg
35kg
hypers 2 x 8
15kg
20kg
crunches 4 x 8
45kg
50kg
52.5kg
55kg
Love power cleans I dont know the weight of the bar i use! it is basically a olly bar but a tiny bit shorter than the standart 20kg ones! Any ideas?
Today i also tried out my dipping belt for about 4 reps, just could not resist
Also ate alot today! cant be bothered posting it but it involved copious of tuna cake , oats and good oll chicken and broccoli! yummy
over and out
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RE: **Toms Mission - Big(er) and Explosive** (!Bill sta... - Aug. 15 2006 0:44:53
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How you finding the weighted hyper extentions? Are you seeing a crossover to your Deads and Squats? I prefer Good Mornings myself but everyones diffrent.
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RE: **Toms Mission - Big(er) and Explosive** (!Bill sta... - Aug. 15 2006 0:50:30
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yo wogihao! tbh i would much rather be doing good mornings, but did not want to fiddle the routine too much as i thought there must be a reason for it! Mabey in a week or so i will exchange the hypers. I recon they are helping with the deads!
I also like the look of glute ham raises (think thats what they are called) for the hams's!
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RE: **Toms Mission - Big(er) and Explosive** (!Bill sta... - Aug. 15 2006 21:50:23
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Well today i went to the local outdoor pool with me shovel and stole sand shoved it in heavy duty "rubble sacks" duct taped up and put in my new cheap as chips "duffel" to create......... the ultimate gpp..... "thing" or "sack"
Yup i was pretty bored as i am not in the city at the moment! i was also gonna make some stuff for doing grip work, but that can wait till 2moro.
I just need to get some more exersizes to do with my "thing" lol that sounds dodgey! all i did today was power clean it, press it then hurl it, then chase and repeat great fun!
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RE: **Toms Mission - Big(er) and Explosive** (!Bill sta... - Aug. 16 2006 22:16:19
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Toadays workout was my light day! and my least fav day, still lovin it though
Squat 4 x 5
50kg
60kg
70kg
70kg
Incline bench press 4 x 5
16kg db's
18kg db's
20kg db's
22kg db's
High pull 5 x 5
30kg
32.5kg
35kg
37.5kg
Oblique raise 3 x 8
30kg for all 3 sets
Squats felt easy peesy! im getting a better and better ROM. Tis all about "ass to grass"
Incline bench was not too challenging either, will up these next time!
Was chuffed with the high pulls better than last time! still dont know the weight of the bar i use for them, tis a slightly shorter than normal olly bar. possibly 15kg im thinking
untill next time.....
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RE: **Toms Mission - Big(er) and Explosive** - Aug. 16 2006 22:35:08
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quote:
ORIGINAL: oarornothing
Thanks guys! No im 5 11, it really pisses my off i want 6ft so bad, a nice round height, imo.
Il post my routin and see what you think! After the gym of course! I really must go NOW!
I see you are obviously impressed with my monster wheels murphy
oops just realised i have put in the wrong link,lol! will edit it then take a look.
Tom
lol same as me im 5ft11 and a tiny bit just missed 6ft it pisses me right off
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RE: **Toms Mission - Big(er) and Explosive** - Aug. 16 2006 22:58:42
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lol, yeah! as i said earlier i recon i wil be getting smaller with all the squatting im doing at the mo!
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RE: **Toms Mission - Big(er) and Explosive** - Aug. 16 2006 23:37:46
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Good progress mate, the program must be working!
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