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RE: 8 & 6 Week T3 Dosages - Mar. 16 2005 13:11:35
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Gecko
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lol phucker i meant 50mcg's
and i thought you were a fellow Welshman  haha
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RE: 8 & 6 Week T3 Dosages - Apr. 1 2005 1:23:04
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would there be any results in fat loss from 50mcg ed at my condition atm
also im on alot ov gear so cnt see any muscle loss from this but could it happen
prob me being para
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RE: 8 & 6 Week T3 Dosages - Jun. 2 2005 1:16:37
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Hi,
I have been lead to believe that ramping t3,s down does no good what so ever, its like your hpta, you are either shut down or not, so if this is correct then ramping will only prolong your recovery.
cutting it of cold turkey will allow your body to reajust to normal levels and normal thyroid function.
when your shut down, tapering provides no benifit of helping your natural test start to come down as long as the does you are using breachers your natural test, so for t3,s if your tappering down yet still in excess of your own bodys limit , it will not even start to normalise, hense stop dead and your body will then find its level quicker.
kev
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RE: 8 & 6 Week T3 Dosages - Jun. 2 2005 9:03:34
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That is true kev, but the idea is to very gradually ramp back up your natural thyroid production. Certain medications (prescribed for genuine medical conditions) are used in this way, either for introduction or withdrawal of the drug. This is one of those drugs. Stopping dead could give rise to serious thyroid issues.
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RE: 8 & 6 Week T3 Dosages - Jun. 2 2005 15:39:50
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Thanks for your reply partboy,
I will try and get some more info on this, not to argument with yourself or others, but to try to find the best way forward for t3 use.
I still cannot see the point in gradual tappering unless the drug has tendencies for a backlash or withdrawl symptoms, I have not heard t3 , s doing this.
thanks kev
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RE: 8 & 6 Week T3 Dosages - Jun. 19 2005 10:20:33
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can the muscle lost due to T3 be quickly regained via muscle memory? or would it be like when you were initially at that strength/size? (bit hard to explain what i mean exactly  )
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RE: 8 & 6 Week T3 Dosages - Jun. 19 2005 10:26:04
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mine took the best part of a year to come back naturally.
I may have run the cycle incorrectly i dont know, wrongguns 8 weeker with 500mg enathate jabbed twice a week.
Ive been told my cals were too low (around the 2000-2200 mark) but still i lost big amounts off all my lifts.
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RE: 8 & 6 Week T3 Dosages - Jun. 19 2005 16:25:24
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cheers, wat sort of size/ strength loss did you have?
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RE: 8 & 6 Week T3 Dosages - Jun. 20 2005 13:04:34
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quote:
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Hi,
I have been lead to believe that ramping t3,s down does no good what so ever, its like your hpta, you are either shut down or not, so if this is correct then ramping will only prolong your recovery.
cutting it of cold turkey will allow your body to reajust to normal levels and normal thyroid function.
when your shut down, tapering provides no benifit of helping your natural test start to come down as long as the does you are using breachers your natural test, so for t3,s if your tappering down yet still in excess of your own bodys limit , it will not even start to normalise, hense stop dead and your body will then find its level quicker.
kev
The taper is to prevent the crash and assit the body to adapt.
How will your bodyfind its level quicker if you cease immedietly over a slot taper allowing it to adjust?
I am interested in your thinking as T3 is not like an injectable etc that self tapers or an oral where clomid / nolva (i.e.PCT) is uesed. The taper (as with old philosophy of AAS) does allow the body to readjust and not crash as you suggest
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RE: 8 & 6 Week T3 Dosages - Jun. 20 2005 13:05:51
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mine took the best part of a year to come back naturally.
I may have run the cycle incorrectly i dont know, wrongguns 8 weeker with 500mg enathate jabbed twice a week.
Ive been told my cals were too low (around the 2000-2200 mark) but still i lost big amounts off all my lifts.
What was your BF%age pre and post T3 usage?
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RE: 8 & 6 Week T3 Dosages - Jun. 20 2005 14:55:47
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Hi wrongun,
I have never used T3,s , do not please think then why am I commenting on something I have never tried, although its up to you if want to.
here is alink , regardless of there being multiple ways to attain the same goals were aas and supplements are concerned, we each decide on what we believe , I happen to go 100% with these guys. Muscle Trainee and AP3 are 2 of the most radicle and safest guys I know.
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http://forum.anabolicextreme.com/viewtopic.php?t=5817
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RE: 8 & 6 Week T3 Dosages - Jun. 20 2005 22:54:14
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quote:
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Hi wrongun,
I have never used T3,s , do not please think then why am I commenting on something I have never tried, although its up to you if want to.
here is alink , regardless of there being multiple ways to attain the same goals were aas and supplements are concerned, we each decide on what we believe , I happen to go 100% with these guys. Muscle Trainee and AP3 are 2 of the most radicle and safest guys I know.
kev
http://forum.anabolicextreme.com/viewtopic.php?t=5817
K1 i disagree with that post as it is written without dosages being mentioned. Standard 25,mcg (i.e. medical usage) does not need taper i agree. Using 100mcg is a different story and we must remeber this is BodyBuilding and not the use the meds were designed for.
I will post later with some theory when i have some time
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RE: 8 & 6 Week T3 Dosages - Jun. 20 2005 23:06:44
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Ok here is some reference data for you to consider / discuss
N Engl J Med 1975 Oct 2;293(14):681-4
Recovery of pituitary thyrotropic function after withdrawal of prolonged thyroid-suppression therapy.
Vagenakis AG, Braverman LE, Azizi F, Portinay GI, Ingbar SH.
The pattern of thyrotropin secretion was analyzed in seven euthyroid women, before and after withdrawal of long-term thyroid hormone, by serial measurements of thyroid 131l uptake, serum thyroxine, tri-iodothyronine, and thyrotropin concentrations, and the response to thyrotropin-releasing hormone. During exogenous hormone administration, 131l uptake was suppressed, and serum thyrotropin concentrations before and after administration of thyrotropin-releasing hormone were undetectable.
After withdrawal of exogenous hormone, thyrotropin secretory function was transiently impaired, as indicated by undetectable basal thyrotropin concentrations together with absence of response to thyrotropin-releasing hormone, and subsequently by normal values of basal thyrotropin concentration and normal responses to releasing hormone while serum thyroxine and tri-iodothyronine concentrations were subnormal.
Decreased thyrotropin reserve persisted for two to five weeks. Detectable values of serum thyrotropin (less than 1.2 muU per milliliter) and a normal 131l uptake usually occurred concurrently in two to three weeks. Serum thyroxine concentration returned to normal at least four weeks after hormone withdrawal.
Basically, it is extremely important to eat cleanly and keep up with cardio for at least 4 weeks and up to 6 weeks following a T3 cycle. It's also very important to ramp down properly and not use any drug that have an effect on metabolism and thyroid function, i.e. Clen, Ephedrine, Steroids, DNP, T2
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RE: 8 & 6 Week T3 Dosages - Jun. 20 2005 23:08:44
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Like the hypothalamic-pituitary-gonadal axis, the thyroid gland is under negative feedback control. When T3 levels go up, TSH secretion is suppressed. This is the mechanism whereby exogenous thyroid hormone suppresses natural thyroid hormone production. There is a difference though between the way anabolic steroids suppress natural testosterone production and the way T3 suppresses the thyroid. With steroids, the longer and heavier the cycle is, the longer your natural testosterone is suppressed. This is not the case with exogenous thyroid hormone
I will have to spend more time on this but basically if we apply the T3 with AAS then yes a ramp down is certainly preferred and adventageous over ''cold turkey'' as described in that thread.
I would like to see their actual reasoning over ''i have seen in patients'' as we discuss Body Building and more than likely the use of AAS in conjunction with the T3
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RE: 8 & 6 Week T3 Dosages - Jun. 21 2005 10:08:18
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makes interesting reading I admitt, it does say though in long term use , t3 are typically used for 6-8 weeks so maybe it does not apply typically as time limit is less.
thanks for posting that , lets see what replys we get, will certainly keep you informed.
kev
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RE: 8 & 6 Week T3 Dosages - Jun. 21 2005 13:30:10
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makes interesting reading I admitt, it does say though in long term use , t3 are typically used for 6-8 weeks so maybe it does not apply typically as time limit is less.
thanks for posting that , lets see what replys we get, will certainly keep you informed.
kev
Yes agreed but dosages come into play as in BB'ing we are using 100mcg ED and so IMHO taper is essential so as to allow TSH levels to adapt to prevent the crash from 100mcg to nothing. Then imperative still to get diet right and i use clen.
If using 25mcg ED (i do on many bulking cycles of increased protein sunthesis) then yes i cease but then use clen but do not taper as yes TSH can adjust and no crash.
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RE: 8 & 6 Week T3 Dosages - Jul. 1 2005 14:53:33
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Is there any real reason to split your days doses of t3 or can you just take it all at once.
I have always split in the past but iam sure i read there was no need as it stays in your system for a long time and does not have the side effects that say clen would in one dose.
(anyone that tried hubei double strength clen might know what I mean lol)
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RE: 8 & 6 Week T3 Dosages - Jul. 1 2005 15:11:41
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Is there any real reason to split your days doses of t3 or can you just take it all at once.
I have always split in the past but iam sure i read there was no need as it stays in your system for a long time and does not have the side effects that say clen would in one dose.
(anyone that tried hubei double strength clen might know what I mean lol)
I think T3 has a much shorter half-life than clen mate. 5-6 hours if I`m not mistaken.
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RE: 8 & 6 Week T3 Dosages - Jul. 4 2005 13:38:20
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The h/l is reasonably long though above 50mcg - I would split twice ed.
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