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RE: Clenbuterol - Aug. 26 2007 0:06:24
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Daari
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no can do. Not even 'allowed' a drop of water. Thanks for the help though
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RE: Clenbuterol - Aug. 26 2007 8:23:30
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i thought drugs unless prescribed for an illness were a no no adil at any time of the year - not just now - or soon or whenever it is your thinking about? if so, are people selective on which bit of the religion to follow or not? i dont want to make any judgements cos i dont know the first thing about it but im genuinely interested - some might think that a casein shake halfway through the day is not as bad as taking nonprescribed drugs. if you dont want to discuss it thats ok and i really dont want to cause offense or question anyones moral or religious stance - but i do find it interesting thats all 
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RE: Clenbuterol - Aug. 26 2007 8:34:19
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can you take anything in the day or must nothing pass your lips? im thinking of glutamine powder with no water - it dissolves with saliva and i would imagine that to be of benefit if allowed - many use it before fasted cardio in the morning.
as an aside - it musst be a very hard time of year for you - i do understand to a extent how important it is for muslims? (is that right) - but i cant help thinking that if it were me how worried id be spending the rest of theyear trying hard to get bgigger and then worried about taking steps backwards. have you noticed much loss last year or the year before?
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RE: Clenbuterol - Aug. 27 2007 1:06:54
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Daari
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some might think that a casein shake halfway through the day is not as bad as taking nonprescribed drugs. if you dont want to discuss it thats ok
Well i just asked a 'knowledgable person' and apparantly clen is a no go, not because it's a non-prescribed med, but due it's side effects.
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can you take anything in the day or must nothing pass your lips? im thinking of glutamine powder with no water
Nothing must pass my lips
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i do understand to a extent how important it is for muslims? (is that right)
You are correct
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have you noticed much loss last year or the year before?
Fasting starts from dawn to sunset. Which will be roughy 15-16 hours. Last year i believe it was something like 12 hours. So it will be difficult this time around
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but im genuinely interested
If you want to discuss anything, or ask any questions, just PM me
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RE: Clenbuterol - Aug. 27 2007 17:59:31
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ORIGINAL: Adil
i know clen help with catabolism, just wondering if it'd help with this:
in a few weeks i have to fast (religious obligation) from sunrise to sunset which will be roughly 14-15 hours. I need to keep as much muscle as possible so will be utilising casein and fats (should last upto 9 hours). Will taking some clen help with the catabolism?
I wouldn't advise taken Clen if your'e fasting...Not a good idea..It is anti-catabolic but not used like that..
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RE: Clenbuterol - Sep. 11 2007 4:58:51
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PB,
I did not see this quesion in the clen sticky. Can clen show up on a drug screen as amphetamine?
Thanks Bro,
Ruthlezz
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RE: Clenbuterol - Sep. 11 2007 5:00:41
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bump
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RE: Clenbuterol - Sep. 12 2007 16:23:53
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ORIGINAL: ruthlezz_1
PB,
I did not see this quesion in the clen sticky. Can clen show up on a drug screen as amphetamine?
Thanks Bro,
Ruthlezz
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RE: Clenbuterol - Sep. 16 2007 19:33:33
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Just beginning a diet, diet is Carb Cycling with Cardio at the appropriate timings
to complement diet and gain maximium benefit.
Usually in the past I have used T3,T4,ECA etc, but always with a sensible
dose of AS to prevent as much muscle loss as possible.
However currently trying for a baby so gear is a no go, considering Clen, which
I have never used before I was going to do 3 on 3 off with ECA on the off period.
I am not stupid, without gear muscle loss is going to occur, however I have
heard a lot about Clen having Anti Catabolic effects , this may be the better
choice of "supplement" whilst dieting
What are your thoughts
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RE: Clenbuterol - Sep. 16 2007 20:19:01
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I wouldn't rely on clen for that purpose.
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RE: Clenbuterol - Sep. 16 2007 21:05:19
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I was not thinking of taking the Clen solely to prevent muscle
loss, I was thinking which of both would be most likely to
retain the most muscle, (ie the least oppressive)
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RE: Clenbuterol - Sep. 16 2007 21:43:01
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I guess it's personal preference as I don't see much in it in that regard. I would rather use ECA straight through and forget clen, but some users have other factors to consider such as perhaps eca dependance issues.
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RE: Clenbuterol - Dec. 24 2007 2:02:37
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PARTYBOY..
would it be more benificial to run a CLEN + ECA cycle rather then just one.. and is it fine to run the ECA all the way through say a 12 week period while keeping the CLEN on a 2 wks on 2 off system. any downside to running these side by side? also is it unreasonable to seek lean mass gains while on a ECA CLEN cycle if proper weights and maybe an aas is used. would anavar or winny work instead of test??
sorry about all the questions.. cheers mate
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RE: Clenbuterol - Dec. 24 2007 9:19:44
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I wouldn't run both together, your choice though.
ECA/clen suggests fat loss goal. This goal requires a general calorie negative state through diet and cardio. As such muscle anabolism cannot be expected, and only in fairly rare circumstances would I suggest steroids are used during this period
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RE: Clenbuterol - Dec. 28 2007 19:44:37
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thank you for your info party boy. so not much anabolism can be expected but how about doing everything i can to prevent catabolism. any sure things i can do for myself to prent muscle loss if im in negetive caloric state and duing 45 minutes of cardio 5 days a week? or is it just innevitable that my muscle mass is gonna hit the ****ter? how about my strength? what impact will eca clen negetive calories and lots of cardio have ono my strength? thanks again mate.
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RE: Clenbuterol - Feb. 21 2008 12:30:45
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I'm currently an athlete competing in Triathlons and Running/Biking races.
Does anyone know of the implications of using Clen with endurance type sports.
Have read mixed articles on the possible side effect of clen producing more collagen within the heart hence making it unable to beat as powerfully.
If Clen is no good for endurance what else can I look into to boost performance.
Cheers as always/.
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RE: Clenbuterol - Mar. 16 2008 17:43:22
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partyboy i am 160lbs with around 18%BF i am going to start a cutting cycle including winstrol - proviron and clenbuterol
i will use the clenbuterol for 3 weeks on this dosage:
Day 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21
Dose 40 40 40 60 60 60 80 80 100 100 100 120 120 100 100 80 80 60 60 40 40
is that a good idea?
and is it ok to use clen while on winstrol and proviron?
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RE: Clenbuterol - Mar. 16 2008 17:54:17
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i am male 172 cm
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