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RE: Human Growth Hormone - Feb. 7 2005 9:39:06
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vascular1
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pb.... thanks for the brilliant post..
start my first ever GH cyle next mon.. 5iu per day mon to fri.. for 11 weeks..
currently 3 weeks into pre contest prep. this will be the first time on gh for me... along with my clean diet, training, cardio, and AS, what can i expect from the GH with regards to pre contest prep mate??
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RE: Human Growth Hormone - Feb. 7 2005 18:40:12
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Hi mate
I wish I could take credit for it, but it was actually an old article by Raven that I 'rescued' during the forum changeover.
HGH appears to be a strange hormone in that some claim it to be wonderous, whereas little in terms of results are seen by others. I think its wise not to expect too much from GH, certainly not to the extent of results from steroids. However, if already utilising the usual suspects: aas; thyroid meds; perhaps slin, the inclusion of HGH could be considered the icing on the cake.
I have no experience mate with it during contest prep. Indeed, my personal experience of HGH amounts to 10 * 4IU jabs at this time, so most of my info is theoretical or based on empirical data.
I would be surprised if you didn't experience a notable effect on bodyfat levels. This appears to be a benefit of HGH that is undisputed. Out of interest, is there any reason why you're not using it weekends?
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RE: Human Growth Hormone - Feb. 8 2005 9:26:33
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vascular1
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hi mate.. thanks for the reply..
a close friend of mine who competes and uses gh, advised me on the 5 days per week thing. since it will be my first time using the stuff.. also cost is a factor too  LOL
looking forward to starting it next week, but i dont expect any miracles.. just a little more quality to my physique will do for me... will also be running T3 along side too..
cheers pb
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RE: Human Growth Hormone - Feb. 16 2005 9:52:39
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Useful info. But has anyone heard anything about the new test that has supposed to be developed by the IOC. It was undectectable, but they now claim it is detectable up to around 60 days after use, by blood test I believe.
Anyone know anything??
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RE: Human Growth Hormone - Feb. 16 2005 10:41:32
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quote:
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Useful info. But has anyone heard anything about the new test that has supposed to be developed by the IOC. It was undectectable, but they now claim it is detectable up to around 60 days after use, by blood test I believe.
Anyone know anything??
One test looks at the ratio between 2 natural isoforms of hGH in humans. The recombinant hGH comprises of one isoform type. When you inject with this type a feedback mechanism means that the ratio between the bodies own types alter and this can be used as a measure of doping. Only really effective if tested about 3-6 hours after injection not 60 days.
Test two looks at 'genetic marker proteins'. If injection of recombinant hGH is not directly and practicably testable, then you look for markers (other proteins) that rise and fall following injection of hGH. This means that you do tests for baselines of your chosen markers and then look to see if the levels of these markers fluctuate in the manner that you would expect for the profile following hGH injection. This type of test has the benefit of having a longer 'window' of testing because you are not looking for hGH directly. The problem is getting the test to be legally watertight 'cos a good lawyer will run rings around the argument of "we could not test hGH but we found circumstancial evidence that he/she MAY have injected.
And I don't care what Dick Pound may like to think or say. They are far away from having a working test for hGH.
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RE: Human Growth Hormone - Feb. 23 2005 22:36:48
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I have tried using growth hormone myself at 2iu every other day and also at 4 iu ed (2iu am and 2iu pm) and didn't notice much difference. I was also told (by a knowledgeable gear user) to take my gh before bed or in the morning because the body can utilise it better at these times when natural gh is released into the system although this was the opposite to what i had read i gave it a go. I would like to know if anyone out there has suffered from extreme sweating during sleep, as i myself sweat profusely when taking growth and find it very uncomfortable. Is it true that using nolvadex with gh lowers igf-1 levels and therefore reduces results, if this is so how can we control btits if we are to use androgens and t3. does t3 not also encourage btits?
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RE: Human Growth Hormone - Feb. 24 2005 10:19:53
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You say the gh will be fine in the fridge for up to 3 days, what happens if used after this time? I am using Jintropin from GeneSci and it comes in 10iu bottles. If i am using only 2iu a day or every other day is it safe to use the remaining gh? After all it is very expensive. Any help on this would be greatly appreciated.
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RE: Human Growth Hormone - Feb. 24 2005 10:26:29
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biomo
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I think you look amazing, ripped and shredded. Don't expect too much from the growth though. What sort of diet plan do you use to stay so incredibly lean? Is cardio a big part of it? What sort of gear courses do you use and what sort of dosages? Any help would be appreciated.
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RE: Human Growth Hormone - Feb. 24 2005 10:32:08
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biomo
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I have read an article on gh, which says it should be used for 3 days on and 4-6 days off. I think it was paul borresens stack book. Are these old methods? What is the most current method of gh usage?
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RE: Human Growth Hormone - Feb. 24 2005 13:29:41
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Anyone know what the legal standpoint is on HGH ?
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RE: Human Growth Hormone - Feb. 24 2005 14:51:07
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hello biomo my first coment in the forum.
I have been suffering from the same sweats during the night I mean getting up towelling myself down etc.
Ive been on ansomone 4 iu ed for 6 weeks added 100ml of deca 3xweek 2 weeks ago great results .
Another effect that im experiencing is extreme nail /hair growth(not like apeman but alarming)great skin appearence(so me missus tells me)and most importantly fat removal from my abs.
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RE: Human Growth Hormone - Feb. 27 2005 10:16:44
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ok. 2 weeks into my gh cycle (5iu per day mon to fri)
skin changes most apparent !! seems to have changed texture, looks far better and amazingly looks like my skin is somewhat thinner.. overall i feel pretty damn good..
im dieting on alot more clean food than in the past, but still getting leaner and leaner.. which is good..
running 100mg prop e/od...150mg eq e/od... not mega doses but so far so good.. will be switching to primo/wini from 6 weeks out from show... 
i have another 8 weeks worth of gh to go yet and if this first two weeks is anything to go bye, them im extremely exited about what the end result may be.. !! 
current pre contest diet..
07.00 75g oats
1 tin tuna
8 eggs (one yolk)
mushrooms and onion
all mixed and cooked together... i love this
10.00 2 tins tuna
small baked potato
13.00 salmon steak
broccoli
16.00 same as 10.00
train at 1730 (ish)
20.00 250g chicken or turkey breast
50g basmati rice (cooked weight)
broccoli
22.30 6 eggs (one yolk) scrambled with onion and pepper
1 scoop whey in water
plus multi vit, vit c, 4 litres water, diet coke/pepsi,
cardio 5 sessions of 35 mins each after weights.....
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RE: Human Growth Hormone - Feb. 27 2005 12:08:41
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Hey steve, i heard from a mutual friend yesterday that you are ready NOW !
How shredded are ya gunna be this year ?
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RE: Human Growth Hormone - Feb. 27 2005 12:11:01
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yeah, when pre contest... i try to get my nutrients from proper solid food only..this way i can control exactly what im eating (do we really know exactly whats in our protein drinks??)
just peace of mind really mate...plus ive never been one to prescribe to the post workout whey necessity thingy... just have a good nutritious meal as and when you get home from the gym has done me ok mate..
the pre bed shake is just to bump the protein up a bit ... this will be replaced for more eggs a 3-4 weeks out from show....
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RE: Human Growth Hormone - Feb. 27 2005 14:17:07
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quote:
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Anyone know what the legal standpoint is on HGH ?
Same as aas mate. Legal to posess, illegal to supply.
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RE: Human Growth Hormone - Feb. 27 2005 15:31:36
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hey bodworks bro.... do i know you mate?
and yes, i'm EXTREMELY happy with how i'm looking rite now... probably a little too far ahead of myself to be honest, so i will keep one or two cheat meals per week in too.... just to stave off peeking too early mate.
hopefully ill be the heaviest and most shredded ive ever been ... thats the plan anyway..
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RE: Human Growth Hormone - Mar. 2 2005 12:50:32
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Been on 4IU ansomone (split twice) ed now for around 4 weeks.
Side effects:
After a few days I suffered intense itchyness on both upper arms, between the outer head of the bicep and the tricep. Not at all bad through the day, mainly at night and through the night. However, its since subsided over the last couple of weeks. Might not have been the GH, may just have been coincidental.
Hand and finger pain, though no pins and needles at all. Not bad at all through the day as my joints get 'warmed up'. Worse though the night when woken, and also first thing in the morning. Main areas affected are the palms of my hands i.e. when pressure is applied such as holding a heavy dumbell. Other areas include the fingers esp. the outer joint where the nail is.
Oedema. Slight swelling witnessed.
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RE: Human Growth Hormone - Mar. 2 2005 14:45:21
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fcuk me... thats what the itchyness will be that ive been getting then mate... i wondered where the hell that came from....(been really itchy around the pelvis area for a week or so now!)
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RE: Human Growth Hormone - Mar. 6 2005 13:11:24
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after 3 weeks jintropin.. 5iu per day mon to fri
ok, now 8 weeks out from show (nabba n.east)... things going well. 
glute striations coming thru.. i'm a little worried that this is happening to early actually.. so ill need to hold off a little somewhat... may increase my cals a little more, and/or reduce cardio sessions...  considering im dieting, and losing bf, my strength is still good and i feel pretty good too.
see how it goes this week... i'm badly in need of a sun tan tho !! look like an albino version of casper the ghost might start a few sunbed sessions this week also..
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