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RE: Human Growth Hormone - Mar. 10 2005 16:10:14
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tonnyy
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Sootybaby,
sent a message to your email, not sure if it went through though. Anyway, what do you think the window for testing would be?
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One test looks at the ratio between 2 natural isoforms of hGH in humans. The recombinant hGH comprises of one isoform type. When you inject with this type a feedback mechanism means that the ratio between the bodies own types alter and this can be used as a measure of doping. Only really effective if tested about 3-6 hours after injection not 60 days.
Test two looks at 'genetic marker proteins'. If injection of recombinant hGH is not directly and practicably testable, then you look for markers (other proteins) that rise and fall following injection of hGH. This means that you do tests for baselines of your chosen markers and then look to see if the levels of these markers fluctuate in the manner that you would expect for the profile following hGH injection. This type of test has the benefit of having a longer 'window' of testing because you are not looking for hGH directly. The problem is getting the test to be legally watertight 'cos a good lawyer will run rings around the argument of "we could not test hGH but we found circumstancial evidence that he/she MAY have injected.
And I don't care what Dick Pound may like to think or say. They are far away from having a working test for hGH.
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RE: Human Growth Hormone - Mar. 31 2005 16:35:46
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welsh flex
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NIce post Prtyboy
keep it up m8 
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RE: Human Growth Hormone - May 1 2005 10:39:26
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ChrisM
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This is a little hard to explain, but I notice that those who make good progress in increasing muscle mass generally have a decent of muscle fibers to begin with. In other words, I can usually tell if someone can make good gains if that person seems to have the structual potential to gain a lot of muscle mass. So these people can build a fair amount of muscle because they have a lot of existing muscle fibers to work with. (They just have to make them larger.)
The problem for me is that I don't seem to have a lot of muscle fiber to begin with. I am your classic skinny Asian male and have little muscle tone. So my belief is that all the weight training in the world even with the use of anabolic steroids can only make marginal gains for me. (And I do work very hard in the gym and eat well.) So I'm beginning to think that GH is the way for me to go since GH actually increases the number of cells (hyperplasia) rather than simply making the existing muscle cells bigger (hypertrophy).
Can someone please tell me if this logic is flawed? My personal trainer says he can either start me on a cycle of deca or a GH. Thanks.
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RE: Human Growth Hormone - May 3 2005 9:21:10
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PartyBoy
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At least 5 days pw is required bud
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RE: Human Growth Hormone - May 22 2005 3:27:46
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Abri d Erable
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Partyboy,
Quick question. So, with the 5-2 combo and a split dosage, you're talking 10 shots a week plus the steriods? Ouch. Can the insulin be combined with the HGH? If not, then are we talking 20/week?
Also, any thoughts on what steroid combo goes best with this? Not sure about the HGH, but a possible next cycle could be sustanon (500mg/wk), deca (400mg/wk), trenbolone (225mg/wk), 30mg of dianabol/day. 10 weeks.
BTW, I've been reading this board for over a year but just joined. It's an amazing resource and I've learned a ton thanks to you guys.
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RE: Human Growth Hormone - May 22 2005 10:10:28
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PartyBoy
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Slin would normally to timed to coincide with workout feedings etc and HGH generally first thing/last thing. Bear in mind though that for slin and HGH you're using very fine 30g pins - 9 times out of 10 I can't feel a thing them going in and scar tissue isn't an issue.
You're best to post your cycle idea in the Testosterone forum bro for a wide range of opinions.
btw - welcome to MT!
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RE: Human Growth Hormone - May 30 2005 15:30:55
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RichyMant
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if your growth plates have grown. will gh make even a small height increase. also i heard it causes your colar bones to grow. does this mean in length so you get a wider frame?
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RE: Human Growth Hormone - May 30 2005 16:51:21
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PartyBoy
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Your growth plates seal (depending on the individual) around the ages 19-24ish. Once they have closed, there is no further height or collar bone growth permissable.
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RE: Human Growth Hormone - May 31 2005 23:07:16
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AquaFina
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PartyBoy,
I know that your original post stated that it's someone else's post but maybe you can elaborate. If I'm ONLY using GH, how long before I see results if I take 5 iu per day with no off days? I was just curious if it takes longer without stacking with insulin, IGF, or steroids. Also, if one were to stack with Winstrol, is that safe? I know I haven't included details about my workout, diet, and such but I was wondering if you could give me a general idea. Thank you for putting up that original post too by the way.
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RE: Human Growth Hormone - Jun. 1 2005 11:35:54
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PartyBoy
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Well I've used growth independantly and noticed slight localised fat loss after around 4 weeks. Not a massive difference, but noticeable.
GH is normally used in conjunction with steroids whether that be test, primo, winny or whatever. Generally, "results" from HGH are somewhat muted in comparison to steroids.
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RE: Human Growth Hormone - Jun. 12 2005 19:08:19
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lukawa
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Hi fellas
Been reading these posts it seems that a min of 3iu is being used,is this assumeing an average size of person,or does it not matter,i mean a 190lbs bb would not need as much as a 290lbs bb,,,right/rong.
Like as with roids your muscles will only accept so much of what you inj depending on size, so useing to much will cause unnecessary side effects,
Does hgh work the same?
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RE: Human Growth Hormone - Jul. 21 2005 12:50:16
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jbaig2
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hi, i was reading ur post on human growth hormone, well basically
>im a
>experienced steroids user, and dnt like the fact that after
>cycles, i
>loose weight. hg prevents this, or at least reduces the loss.
>Basiclly i want to use genotropin which to my knowledge is the
>"one",
>with in conjuction with test and deca. I want to put on quality
>mass,
>nw can u jst advise me on dosages and how long i should runthe
>whole
>cycle for, if i want to c a noticeable differance in size. I want
>to
>run a steroid cycle for 2 months, but have no idea when to use hg
>and
>for how lng, and what dosages, can u plz advise me..
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RE: Human Growth Hormone - Jul. 21 2005 22:14:48
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khany
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quote:
ORIGINAL: jbaig2
hi, i was reading ur post on human growth hormone, well basically
>im a
>experienced steroids user, and dnt like the fact that after
>cycles, i
>loose weight. hg prevents this, or at least reduces the loss.
>Basiclly i want to use genotropin which to my knowledge is the
>"one",
>with in conjuction with test and deca. I want to put on quality
>mass,
>nw can u jst advise me on dosages and how long i should runthe
>whole
>cycle for, if i want to c a noticeable differance in size. I want
>to
>run a steroid cycle for 2 months, but have no idea when to use hg
>and
>for how lng, and what dosages, can u plz advise me..
tbhyou should be looking more into IGF for the purpose of what you have outlined
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RE: Human Growth Hormone - Jul. 22 2005 10:47:09
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Does IGF help stop weight loss after a roid cycle? Where can i get good info on the actual muscle building effects of IGF? I feel HGH is pritty much a waste of money for people looking to gain mass. I noticed there is no sticky on IGF yet does this mean not many members know much about or have used it or are they just keeping their info to themselfs?
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RE: Human Growth Hormone - Jul. 22 2005 12:21:39
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jbaig2
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ok il look into igf, but can u answer my question too, if i was to do a roid cycle with hg, then when, for how lng, and what dosages sahould i take the hg at...
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RE: Human Growth Hormone - Jul. 24 2005 2:44:09
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warmachine
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what dosage do u guys think is best for me (and duration). 4iu a day for 4 months, 5 iu a day for3 months or 6 iu for 2 and a half months? i am a boxer remember and 18 stone at the mo
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RE: Human Growth Hormone - Jul. 24 2005 16:37:23
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PartyBoy
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Of the options I'd go with 4IU for 4months, though 6IU for 4 months would be nice  
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RE: Human Growth Hormone - Jul. 24 2005 21:34:19
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warmachine
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partyboy it sure would. might save up for it
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RE: Human Growth Hormone - Sep. 15 2005 19:44:52
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tonnyy
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Back in March, this was the case for Hgh testing:
'One test looks at the ratio between 2 natural isoforms of hGH in humans. The recombinant hGH comprises of one isoform type. When you inject with this type a feedback mechanism means that the ratio between the bodies own types alter and this can be used as a measure of doping. Only really effective if tested about 3-6 hours after injection not 60 days.
Test two looks at 'genetic marker proteins'. If injection of recombinant hGH is not directly and practicably testable, then you look for markers (other proteins) that rise and fall following injection of hGH. This means that you do tests for baselines of your chosen markers and then look to see if the levels of these markers fluctuate in the manner that you would expect for the profile following hGH injection. This type of test has the benefit of having a longer 'window' of testing because you are not looking for hGH directly. The problem is getting the test to be legally watertight 'cos a good lawyer will run rings around the argument of "we could not test hGH but we found circumstancial evidence that he/she MAY have injected.
And I don't care what Dick Pound may like to think or say. They are far away from having a working test for hGH'.
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However, I have read this week that China have started testing athletes for Hgh including at the up comming Grand prix meet. (How ironic cos most of it comes from China!) Anyway, does anyone (Sootybaby inparticular) know if these same tests are being introduced in the UK or Europe this autumn?
Thanks
Tony
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