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RE: New article - Melanotan and Melanotan II - May 30 2007 21:48:21
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PartyBoy
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Once the water is added just swirl it around until you're sure you've mixed everything.
Not good practice to inject with the same pin as drawing. No matter how careful you are the needle will likely contact the side or base of the vial and dull the pin. Also, you won't be able to effectively get every last micro-drop of solution if you're busy worrying about needle damage.
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RE: New article - Melanotan and Melanotan II - May 30 2007 21:49:27
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can we discuss sources for melanotan here?
From the article:
As I’m sure you can appreciate, the development of these peptides has not gone unnoticed by the general population and as a result, there has been an explosion of suppliers looking to exploit such demand, with the peptides being formulated and originating largely from China. Although not classed as controlled substances in the U.K., they are viewed as medicinal substances by the MHRA (Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency). While this means that you can legally posess them for personal use, sale or supply is dependant upon whether the product holds a Marketing Authorisation (product licence) valid for the UK. Since I cannot find any evidence of this, nor would I expect to at this juncture of development, suppliers plying their trade within the U.K. are doing so illegally.
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RE: New article - Melanotan and Melanotan II - May 30 2007 21:51:08
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Cool thanks for the advice, can you just pour the water into the container the MT comes in? Alos do you use and insulin pin to draw as well as inject , or would you need a longer one to draw to get to the bottom of the vial?
P.S. sorry for all the stupid questions, just i've never injected before and want to get it 100%
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RE: New article - Melanotan and Melanotan II - May 30 2007 21:55:23
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Cool thanks for the advice, can you just pour the water into the container the MT comes in?
No - get the right tools for the job. It's like training to be a dentist and saying to the lecturer, "Can't I just use my chisel for patient's tarter?"
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Alos do you use and insulin pin to draw as well as inject , or would you need a longer one to draw to get to the bottom of the vial?
DO NOT use the same pin to try to draw the stuff. If you absolutely must use slin pins to shoot, you will need a separate normal barrel and large pin, say a 1-1.5" in length to mix and draw and then to backload the individual slins. Not the best solution imho as explained fully in the article.
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RE: New article - Melanotan and Melanotan II - May 30 2007 22:04:39
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Although not classed as controlled substances in the U.K., they are viewed as medicinal substances by the MHRA (Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency). While this means that you can legally posess them for personal use, sale or supply is dependant upon whether the product holds a Marketing Authorisation (product licence) valid for the UK. Since I cannot find any evidence of this, nor would I expect to at this juncture of development, suppliers plying their trade within the U.K. are doing so illegally.
partyboy, i fully understand your piont on this subject, but i have a few pionts to clarify
1. does the same apply to igf1?
2. on most websites selling mt2/igf1/mgf, they state that you have to agree to there terms and condittions, which basically say you are buying the research chemicals for hobyist/research uses only. and 90% of these sites do not give information relating to injecting or using them in any other way. Does this mean when we buy from these sites, its perfectly legal to do so?
3. are they actually breaking the law by selling them to us? surley its down to the individual purchasing the chemicals to make their own judgment on how safe/unsafe the substances are?
personally i think research chemicals are in a very grey area, and knowbody is actually breaking any laws, buy selling/purchasing mt2/igf1/mgf
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RE: New article - Melanotan and Melanotan II - May 30 2007 22:56:35
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so what do you mix them in then, it says how much to mix just not where to do it in the article, would a standard glass vial with rubber stopper be sufficient?
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RE: New article - Melanotan and Melanotan II - May 31 2007 9:33:28
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The melatonan comes in a glass vial with rubber stopper  
Inject the water through the rubber stopper
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RE: New article - Melanotan and Melanotan II - May 31 2007 9:51:07
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1. does the same apply to igf1? No idea tbh mate as I've not researched igf specifically though I suspect similar rules apply.
2. on most websites selling mt2/igf1/mgf, they state that you have to agree to there terms and condittions, which basically say you are buying the research chemicals for hobyist/research uses only. Does this mean when we buy from these sites, its perfectly legal to do so?Certain research meds are legitimate drugs (such as nolvadex, so will have regulatory approval for UK market. Whether the research companies offering liquid variants are infringing drug patents is another matter entirely. Bottom line is until steps are taken to challenge such sales legally by the authorities, no-one really knows for certain the actual situation. I suspect these declarations to which the buyer agrees to has more to do with protection against a personal injury claim more than anything else.
3. are they actually breaking the law by selling them to us? Yes in the case of MT/MT2/Bremelanotide.
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RE: New article - Melanotan and Melanotan II - May 31 2007 10:19:25
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Hi Partyboy.
I am looking at getting some MT2, i just wondered if you could help me with the following please, i think it is to do with hyperpigmentation or over production or melanocytes...
Now that we have some more info on M and MT2.
What is the theory behind people that have already have existing moles, possibly increasing risks of cancer? ? ?
Thanks.
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RE: New article - Melanotan and Melanotan II - May 31 2007 10:32:23
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I would say the increase risk would come from any increased exposure to UV rather than MT/MT2 itself.
Usage of MT/MT2 will actually help protect against sun-damage, but above all, sensible UV exposure is crucial.
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RE: New article - Melanotan and Melanotan II - May 31 2007 14:53:47
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Cool, all makes sense now. So last question i think. With the syringe you use a 1" needle to draw then change that to a 0.5" needle to inject. After you have done that, do you flush out the syringe at all or just put it back in the fridge until tomorrow? Or bin it and use a new one the next day?
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RE: New article - Melanotan and Melanotan II - May 31 2007 14:58:02
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This is my shopping cart, all looks good then?
ND304 B & D Microlance 3 Needles Yellow 30g x 0.5 Inch per 100 £13.60 ex.
(£15.98 inc.)
ND400 B & D Microlance 3 Needles Orange 25G x 1 Inch per 100 £5.20 ex.
(£6.11 inc.)
SYR910 B & D Luer Lok 3ml Syringes per Box of 100 £10.45 ex.
(£12.28 inc.)
GCMD3100 Medisave Pre Injection Alcohol Swabs per box of 200 £1.49 ex.
(£1.75 inc.)
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RE: New article - Melanotan and Melanotan II - May 31 2007 21:26:05
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ND400 B & D Microlance 3 Needles Orange 25G x 1 Inch per 100 £5.20 ex.
(£6.11 inc.)
I only use 1" oranges as I got complete syringe+needle and the 1" orange was the pin that came with it. If you are buying them separate (barrel/pin) go for a longer length like these at the same price:
http://www.medisave.co.uk/terumo-neolus-needles-black-inch-p-1320.html
Here you'll get a 1.5" length with a relatively small guage (22g). Larger gauges can be used (19g or 21g) but can cause unnecessary butchering to the rubber stopper of your bac water vial over time.
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SYR910 B & D Luer Lok 3ml Syringes per Box of 100 £10.45 ex.
(£12.28 inc.)
No need for luer lok versions. They differ from normal in that the needle screws on instead of pushes on. The push-on version is absolutely fine and costs much less per 100:
http://www.medisave.co.uk/disposable-syringe-pack-p-5643.html
All the rest is spot on. Don't forget nursingstandard44 at checkout for 5% off
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RE: New article - Melanotan and Melanotan II - May 31 2007 21:29:15
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After you have done that, do you flush out the syringe at all or just put it back in the fridge until tomorrow? Or bin it and use a new one the next day?
All explained in the article bro
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RE: New article - Melanotan and Melanotan II - May 31 2007 21:31:33
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Thanks for that mate.
What would you call 'sensible' UV exposure? ? ?
How long is a piece of string? What is sensible to one, may not be sensible to another. My take is don't go caning the sunlamps of sitting out in summer sun for hours on end etc etc. Sun-sense applies whether you are using this drug or not.
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RE: New article - Melanotan and Melanotan II - Jun. 1 2007 19:29:48
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Are there any eye related adverse sides ?
I remember a tanning drug called Trisoleran, which increased eye sensitivity vastly. Perhaps there is no link between the two.
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RE: New article - Melanotan and Melanotan II - Jun. 2 2007 8:46:18
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Not that I'm aware of
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RE: New article - Melanotan and Melanotan II - Jun. 2 2007 9:27:24
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Thanks for that mate.
What would you call 'sensible' UV exposure? ? ?
How long is a piece of string? What is sensible to one, may not be sensible to another. My take is don't go caning the sunlamps of sitting out in summer sun for hours on end etc etc. Sun-sense applies whether you are using this drug or not.
Ok thanks mate.
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RE: New article - Melanotan and Melanotan II - Jun. 2 2007 12:13:45
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Hi,
ive got my melanotan II on its way to me but ive got acouple of questions
1, The water that is sent free with the 10mg vial from one supplier, will this be a sufficent amount or will i require any further to use all of the 10mg's.
2, Ive got 2ml barrels and 23g, 1 1/4'' pins
or 1ml 29g 12,7mm insulin needles at home with me.
which of these combo's would be better ?
3, do the insulin needles have to be back filled due to the fact that they would be
blunted if used to draw up with or is there something else that ive missed ?
Sorry if these points have been covered over but i seem to be a bit hard of understanding on this.......
Many thanks
JB
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