Anyone suggest anything. I am taking T3 and am permenently hungy from it.

I understand the importance of needing to intake less cals than I use but am super hungry.

How I long for a packet of bickies or a bar of chocolate

Any suggestions? My current diet.

Breakfast:-
8 LEW
1/2 x mug of oats in 1 teaspoon of flax oil and water

Dinner:-
1 tin of Tuna in Brine
1/2 cup of Wholegrain pasta with 1 Tbl Spn of Olive Oil
Cup of Veg

Mid afternon Snack
6 LEW
1 Salmon Steak with Olive oil

(PPWO) Main Meal:-
150g Steak / Chicken fried in Olive Oil with 1/2 Cup of Wholemeal Pasta

Pre Bed Supper:-
250g Fromage Frais.

Middle of sleep (IE 4am):-
250g Fromage Frais.

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Pre Work Out:-
(1 Hr prior to training)
1 Cup of Oats with a teaspoon of Flax Oil

Post Work Out:-
(Immediately after training)
2:1 Dextrose / Whey in water

Mission Objectives 2008/9:-

1 - To eradicate excess body-fat and assist others in doing so.
2 - To drastically improve my strength to weight ratio.

Mickey, you are one crazy man

You are a very big lad, you do a lot of training, the simple facts are that you need more food.

 

Mickey, you are one crazy man

Is it OK to double the carbs then m8?

Will the odd pack of jammy dodgers or extra bowl of weetabix n sweetener really stop my cutting dead or will it just lessen the cut. IE Ill lose 1 stone instead of 2 EG.

Mission Objectives 2008/9:-

1 - To eradicate excess body-fat and assist others in doing so.
2 - To drastically improve my strength to weight ratio.

Cant comment on diet specifics really, but you need to be eating to match your output, minus a small amount for weight loss.

You can choose to overcomplicate it if you like, but the above is the simple route. Monitor progress, adjust where necessary. Do not be afraid of carbs, they will not kill you, nor will they make you fat.

 

Thanks m8

Mission Objectives 2008/9:-

1 - To eradicate excess body-fat and assist others in doing so.
2 - To drastically improve my strength to weight ratio.

I forgot to add that it wuld be wise to see what others have to say on the matter before cracking open the jammy dodgers

 

If I was going to cheat then I would have aberdeen angus burger and rice - clean and well filling

also fromage frais is crapola in my humble opinion for cutting,

and your diet looks strange apart from that - low on protein, veggies a bit lacking and generally a bit not satisfying

Les Willis
Nutrition Consultant
Healthy Action
"But it ain't about how hard you hit, it is about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward, how much can you take and keep moving forward. That's how winning is done! "

REFEED.

Search the forum, loads on it. Someone should do a MT article really.

I was gonna say refeed got beat to it, id get your diet sorted out again, try and get some quality foods in there so you wont be dying for a fix of carbs all teh time, and yes t3 should be run with a mild steriod is it will kill mucsle and fat at the same time.

Current Body weight 20 stone:
Cutting -
BP: 137.5 KG
SQ: 125 KG
CR: 550 KG (YESSS)
DL: 184 KG
My Progress Journal - http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/m_2276281/tm.htm

Personally I think that the catabolic effects of T3 are overrated - and that in small doses it can actually be mildly anabolic (only in personal experience).

Les Willis
Nutrition Consultant
Healthy Action
"But it ain't about how hard you hit, it is about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward, how much can you take and keep moving forward. That's how winning is done! "

Cant understand you all not liking my diet. All quality foods on there. What would you recommend I change?

Mission Objectives 2008/9:-

1 - To eradicate excess body-fat and assist others in doing so.
2 - To drastically improve my strength to weight ratio.

Personally - More food.

You are around 18 stone, this is just not enough food for someone who has a busy training routine. Assuming it has not changed since I last saw it.

 

No change m8. 2 x cardio per day or 1 x cardio and resistance work. As per trying to drop fat.

If Im undereating how comes I still have this gut?

Mission Objectives 2008/9:-

1 - To eradicate excess body-fat and assist others in doing so.
2 - To drastically improve my strength to weight ratio.

Breakfast:-
8 LEW
1/2 x mug of oats in 1 teaspoon of flax oil and water

Dinner:-
1 tin of Tuna in Brine
1/2 cup of Wholegrain pasta with 1 Tbl Spn of Olive Oil
Cup of Veg
I would change the tuna to chicken personally - fills you up better and I would actually sod the olive oil as well -

Mid afternon Snack
6 LEW
1 Salmon Steak with Olive oil

(PPWO) Main Meal:-
150g Steak / Chicken fried in Olive Oil with 1/2 Cup of Wholemeal Pasta
I wouldnt fry and I would have vegetables with this


Pre Bed Supper:-
250g Fromage Frais.

Middle of sleep (IE 4am):-
250g Fromage Frais.

Already said I dont think this is a quality food source whatsoever

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Pre Work Out:-
(1 Hr prior to training)
1 Cup of Oats with a teaspoon of Flax Oil

I would have protein here


Post Work Out:-
(Immediately after training)
2:1 Dextrose / Whey in water

I would reverse the ratio - 50g whey and 25g dextrose (for cutting)

Also q over the amout of flax oil - do you really need that much - personally given you eat fish 5g a day as a supp would cover it easy.

also I would have my carbs as brown rice as its fills me up more

There you go

Les Willis
Nutrition Consultant
Healthy Action
"But it ain't about how hard you hit, it is about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward, how much can you take and keep moving forward. That's how winning is done! "

ORIGINAL: Mickey123
If Im undereating how comes I still have this gut?

takes time unfortunately. starving yourself wont get you there quicker, just make the cutting process more painful and possibly affect your overall mass by the time youve cut as low as you wish to go

that my 'logical' answer without being one of the 'experts' on here

Under eatingis a great way to get fat.

The key to being leaner is to expend more than you consume but retain musle - so its better to eat 3000 but expend 4000 than eat 1000 and expend 2000 - also if you train hard and heavy and eat with the constant supply of nutrients you will actually lose fat and gain muscle - surely the holey grail.

also your food choice determine fat loss even within calorie deficit - certain choices will slow fat metabolism and even cause deposition even if there is an overall defict.

A calorie is not just a calorie for one thing, and timing is important within the overall structure of exergy expended.

Les Willis
Nutrition Consultant
Healthy Action
"But it ain't about how hard you hit, it is about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward, how much can you take and keep moving forward. That's how winning is done! "

It's also a reason to refeed.

Ages back, I was unsuccessfully cutting for months.

Discovered it and presto - 1-2 lb a week.

Really need an article, it's the most under observed thing.

searching on refeed now. Struggling to find anything that tells someone like myself who has no clue what it is, what it is. Any one sum up in a nutshell?

Mission Objectives 2008/9:-

1 - To eradicate excess body-fat and assist others in doing so.
2 - To drastically improve my strength to weight ratio.

http://www.uk-muscle.co.uk/losing-weight/21761-very-good-article-carb-cycling.html

ORIGINAL: Mickey123

searching on refeed now. Struggling to find anything that tells someone like myself who has no clue what it is, what it is. Any one sum up in a nutshell?

Well, a diet low in carbs lowers leptin. Leptin regulates your metabolism. Your metabolism slows during a cut as carbs are limited.

Every 5 days on the whole, you basically carb up. Keep the fats to a minimum and hit a slight calorie surplus with a focus on glucose and complex carbs. Sucrose and fructose aren't that good for it apparently. This not only resets your leptin but also refills glycogen energy stores in your muscles.