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RE: JACK WANTS STRENGTH - Age 17 - LATEST PICS Pg.18! - May 8 2008 19:59:09
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darkershade
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Well while I was fighting my main goal was size and so it was basically the same as when I wasn't fighting. I did more skipping though.
I see. Did you not feel overworked.
Just i have been doing some research on martials combined with weight training and some say it's not ideal to mix the both.
I like martial arts but still want to keep my mass and gain strength you see
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RE: JACK WANTS STRENGTH - Age 17 - LATEST PICS Pg.18! - May 8 2008 20:15:50
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Havn't heard the first one but liked the instrumental. Second one, of course. Loved that tune when it came out. Good when it comes on random when im blaring the music loud, espec if im working out. Need to get better speakers for my room. My dads has an amp + four good quality speakers that he doens't use so I'm thinking of going round with a mate, nicking them and hoping he doesn't notice or atleast doesn't care too much.
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RE: JACK WANTS STRENGTH - Age 17 - LATEST PICS Pg.18! - May 8 2008 20:20:09
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lol dont get in trouble with the old man though mate 
he'll bring arms out to ya mums house.....lol
the first link is worth a few listens mate some of there stuff is pure class. not evrybody has heard of them either which is good because it really gets on my t1ts when everyone hammers the same tunes 
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RE: JACK WANTS STRENGTH - Age 17 - LATEST PICS Pg.18! - May 8 2008 20:32:05
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Dakershade - Generaly those are people who are talking about becoming very serious in either one. Your not aiming to be a pro bodybuilder/powerlifter or boxer/wreslter are you? You want to be bigger, stronger, faster and better at fighting than you were previously and this can all be achieved together fine. A bodybuilding routine is in no way ideal for martial arts as there are better ways of gaining strength/power which is important in martial arts. It will still help a great deal though, you will be much stronger for your weight for starters. Even though I have gone up a few weight classes since I started lifting I am much stronger for my weight. I was 10kg (40kg bench at 50kg ish bw) under my bw for benching when I started. I am now 20kg above it.. WG Chins up from 10-18+. Some coaches are still old fashioned and only advise their fighters on doing body weight and conditioning exercises. This will only get them so far when it comes to strength. Search "wide side for skinny bastards". Built for athletes with speed + condintioning work but with alot of detail on lifting all in one routine. You will need quite abit of free time to follow the routine properly though.
Keep to compounds, add power cleans and some speed work. A little isolation work where necessary.
Have a look at my routine if you want. I tried to get the best of both worlds with it as I don't want to commit myself to a purely bodybuilding or powerlifting or fighters routine. I've got three days of compounds lifts, push/pull/legs and then one day for power/isolation work as I to like my arms big. My warm ups consist of plyometrics which are good for speed and explosive power.
As for being overworked. In Muay Thai they worked you bloody hard with strength endurance which wasn't great for gains imo as I would be aking from hundreds of press ups/sit ups. In judo the warm up and strength work was a walk in the park compared so this did little to hinder my size and strength gains. The fighting was intense but only fitness wise really.
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RE: JACK WANTS STRENGTH - Age 17 - LATEST PICS Pg.18! - May 9 2008 13:27:42
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Thanks a lot for that mate.
Yep you are right... I wat a lot but not so serious as to compete.
Looks, strength and fighting ability are all goals to me so i shall bear in mind what you have said!
Cheers bud
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RE: JACK WANTS STRENGTH - Age 17 - LATEST PICS Pg.18! - May 10 2008 22:37:33
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Really busy so just doing what I can, when I can. My routine will pretty out the window for the next few weeks while exams are on.
Isolation day: Acutaly just Shoulders.. GF suprized me again
Military Press:
50kg - 5x5 (Actual reps = 5,5,4,4,3. Push pressed to complete 5 reps)
DB Upright Rows // Raises - Super Set:
21.5kg - 4x10
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4x10
Rear Raises:
12kg - 3x12
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RE: JACK WANTS STRENGTH - Age 17 - LATEST PICS Pg.18! - May 11 2008 18:55:21
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Todays cardio so far:
20 mins none stop skipping.
Not ideal cardio for a cut as it's more intense than a 40 min jog on the treadmill but as I'm revising hard over the next few weeks it will be nice to do a few rounds of 20 minute skips a day.
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RE: JACK WANTS STRENGTH - Age 17 - LATEST PICS Pg.18! - May 11 2008 21:12:34
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Another short cardio session:
Round of skipping, shadow boxing, squat jumps - 20 mins total.
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RE: JACK WANTS STRENGTH - Age 17 - LATEST PICS Pg.18! - May 11 2008 23:09:44
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Just looked at your journal. Looking very lean. I'd say I am currently about 12% body fat (machine says I'm 9% but it can't be accurate) and I'd say you are 10%. I'm cutting so hopfully I'll get down to your leanless over the next month.
Yep I'm at college and find that my diet is actualy better on at college as I have a structure to my day and so know exactly when to eat. When bulking it was like this.
Wake up - Meal 1 (Double protien shake, various suppliments, oats, fruit)
Double period of lessons
Morning break - Meal 2 (chicken sandwhich)
Double period of lessons
Lunch break - Meal 3 (chicken sandwhich)
Single period
Back Home - Meal 4 (double shake, mabie a sandwhich, fruit)
Main dinner - Meal 5 (Will cook enough chicken/beef/fish for the next day and pasta/pototoes to last atleast two days)
Second dinner - Meal 6 (Chicken)
Before bed - Meal 7 (double protein shake)
I buy my sandwhiches or make them in the morning. When you cook, cook alot. Most of my meals are cold food which I'm used to now.
Whats your routine?
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RE: JACK WANTS STRENGTH - Age 17 - LATEST PICS Pg.18! - May 12 2008 17:52:25
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Lats felt strong today with the 22 wide grip chins and then 8 chins with 10kg on the belt. Deadlifts still too backy as usual.
PULL
WG chins - 22 (warm up) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zMUey7VPvk
(Too much swinging at the start. With fast reps it's hard not to swing. I want to do 20 clean ones next week.)
Deadlift: (Still can't get my form perfect. My hips always bloody rise too fast making it very backy)
65kg - 10
85kg - 8
95kg - 5
100kg - 8,5
WG Chins:
BW+10kg - 8,6,5,5,5
Single Arm DB Rows:
32.5kg - 5x8
BB curls:
32.5kg - 4x5
Plate Hammer Curls: (Best forearm exercise!)
20kg - 2x8 (2x10kg plates)
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RE: JACK WANTS STRENGTH - Age 17 - LATEST PICS Pg.18! - May 12 2008 18:16:43
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alrite jack mate
im just starting out and id first like to say congratz on coming 5th in the muscletalk comp
very impressive gains,
ive decided to base my diet on yours because its pritty kickarse to be honest,
today i bought a **** loadsa chicken (free range) and was curious
where do you buy your chicken? because of the buying in such bulk , should really be able to get it cheaper than what ive been getting it for at asda
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RE: JACK WANTS STRENGTH - Age 17 - LATEST PICS Pg.18! - May 12 2008 18:23:17
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Thanks mate.
Sainbury's have packs of 0.75kg - 1kg of chicken which are good quality and very high in protien.
Iceland sell big 1kg+ packs very cheap but I doubt they are as good quality meat.
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RE: JACK WANTS STRENGTH - Age 17 - LATEST PICS Pg.18! - May 12 2008 18:33:32
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ORIGINAL: savageJ
my routine as in uni? or working out
wel il put both 
mon-uni 10-12 so eating aint an issue
tue-uni
9-1230 lecture
1230-1 break
1-230 lecture
230-3 break
3-430 lecture
430 finish
so eatin would be breakfast
meal 2 at 1245
meal 3 at 230
meal 4 at 5
meal 5 at 7
meal 6 at 9 i guess
wed is working so 9-5, i can eat during that time whenever more or less
thur uni
10-1230 lecture
1230-1 break
1-330 lecture
330 finish
Fri working 9-5 again
sat working 9-5
working out wise
mon-arms
tue-abs
wed-chest and football
trur-day off
fri-main day at gym so mix of all
sat-mix of all
sun-abs again
i know there is no leg work except fri but in a month my routine will change to mostly leg work
I ment your gym routine but thanks for that bit of info anyway..
I think you would get on better with a more stuctured routine. 'Mix of all" followed by another 'mix of all' isn't a great idea. A muscle takes 48-72 hours to repair itself fully and in an ideal world it shouldn't be hit at all untill fully repaired. It also means you are hitting your chest and arms three times a week. You would be much better just working them once or possibly twice a week.
I recomend you start a push/pull/leg variation. Basic routine is push-chest/shoulders/triceps, pull-back/biceps, legs.
There are lots of ways you can do this.
Chest/biceps
Legs
Off
Shoulders/Triceps
Back
Off
Off or back to start
Chest/triceps
Back/biceps
Off
Legs shoulders
Off
Off or back to start
Chest
Back
Off
Legs
Arms
These will work much better imo. If you like idea of "mix of all's" you could do a fully body A,B routine.
A
Off
B
Off
A
Off
Off
etc..
These work better for strength training though as they will consist of pretty much only compounds.
So what do you think?
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RE: JACK WANTS STRENGTH - Age 17 - LATEST PICS Pg.18! - May 12 2008 18:59:04
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I think the sainsburys chicken is free range. Pretty sure the Iceland stuff isn't though. I will have a better look.
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RE: JACK WANTS STRENGTH - Age 17 - LATEST PICS Pg.18! - May 12 2008 19:05:47
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just that id never have the battery chicken because the meat has a **** load more fat in than the other varietys the free range ones because they walk about n shizzle its more dence leaner meat.
o yea and your seed mix do you blend it and sprinkle it into your oat cereal? or just eat em from the packet?
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RE: JACK WANTS STRENGTH - Age 17 - LATEST PICS Pg.18! - May 12 2008 19:26:04
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I buy a large packet of seeds mix and spinkle abit onto my oats/dried fruit/dorset ceriel (quite a few nice varieties). Cut up one or two fuits so it isn't dry. If you like yoghurt I would add some as thats what my mum does.
As for the chicken. The iceland stuff has just as much fat in it as free range/organic chicken (approx 2g fat per 100g). The thing that I am worried about is the hormones pumped into it. I will have to do a little more research on the Iceland stuff actualy.
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RE: JACK WANTS STRENGTH - Age 17 - LATEST PICS Pg.18! - May 12 2008 22:13:13
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Todays Cardio and Diet:
20 mins skipping.
(Cutting)
Meal 1 - Chicken sandwhich, protein shake
Meal 2 - Chicken sandwhich
Meal 3 - Jacket potato + chicken
Meal 4 - Double Protein shake
Workout
Meal 5 - Tripple protein shake/leucine/creatine
Meal 6 - Potatoes + chicken
Cardio
Meal 7 - Double Protein shake
6 Fruit
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