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RE: Bodybuilding for the Beginner! - Mar. 1 2004 11:14:20
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Cashman
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Rags, growth is all in the diet if you are a hardgainer. I'd save the money on creatine and buy more food. Seriously. If you find gaining hard then add another 500 calories a day to your diet in complex carb & protein. Personally the onmly gain with creatine is water rention making mucles look fuller (this disappears when you stop taking it) and replenishing ATP stores so that you can get an extra rep or two out and recover quicker. If you are training each muscle group once a week, eating big and resting well then you will grow.
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RE: Bodybuilding for the Beginner! - Mar. 14 2004 16:25:34
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Winterstorm
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Hey guys i am new to body buidling. I just want to know if anyone can email a routine to start out on. I just want to be lean and toned with defined muscle. I don't want to be huge. Right now I am at 6 foot 1, I weigh 170 pounds. Plus another question would be how much can i exspect to spend on food to gain the muscle per month. Right now i am spending about 200, but i was told I'd be spending about 500$ a month for the muscle i want to gain. Any advice would be great. I can't lift a heck of a whole lot with my arms. Right now i can bench 100 pounds. Body building is going to be my life long goal. Kind of sucks being weak LOL. Thx for your time.
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RE: Bodybuilding for the Beginner! - Mar. 15 2004 16:36:07
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Cashman
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Welcome Winterstorm to MT.
I have a full routine that's ideal for you at the very start of this topic on page 1. Diet wise... buy lots of complex carbs and protein - tuna & chicken for protein is probably your cheapest bet and lots of whiole grain and vegetable sources for complex carbs.
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RE: Bodybuilding for the Beginner! - Mar. 22 2004 9:50:45
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Neowarrior
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Hey guys/Girls,
Havn't been on for a while but thought I would catch up. After using Cashmans Beginner workout for a while I have now moved on to something a little more intense and I am really starting to pack it on and drop the fat. Cheer Cashman.
Here is my new diet on routine.
6:30am
3/4 cup of Oats with raisens and nuts
100ml Semi-skimmed milk
1 Multivit
9:30am
1 Banana
1.5 Scoops of Pro-Peptide
12pm
Handfull of Brown Rice
1 Portion of Chicken Breast (with cajun spice to flavour)
1 ltr of water
2 slices of Wholemeal Bread with Olive Spread
3pm
1 Tin Tuna with Sunflower Oil
Boiled Potatoes
1ltr of Water
1000mg Vit C
4:30pm Train
5:30pm
2 Scoops of Pro-Recover
6:30pm
1 Cup of Pasta
1 Portion Chicken Breast
Glass Of Semi-Skimmed (depending on size of Chicken)
9pm
2 Boiled Eggs (one wihtout Yolk)
10pm
1.5 Scoops Pro-Peptide
10:30pm
Bed
Training Split
Wednesday - Bi's, Tri's and Calves
Thursday - Quads and Hams
Saturday - Chest, Shoulders and Abs
Sunday - Back, Delts
Bi's Tri's and Calves
Seated Arm Curl
Standing Hammer Curl
Seated ricep Extensions
Close Grip Smith Press
Standing Leg Raises
Quads and Hams
Reverse Hack Squats
Leg Extensions
Lying Leg Curl
Stiff Legged Deadlift
Chest, Shoulders and Abs
Dumbell Flat Benchpress
Dumbell Incline Benchpress
Dumbell Shoulder Press
Standing Dumbell Laterals
Swissball crucnhes with weight
Leg Raises
Back, Delts
Wide Grip Pull Downs
Close Grip Pulldowns
Barbell Bentover Row
Seated Row
Seated Bentover Barbell Shrugs
Cable crossovers
Cheers Guys[:p]
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RE: Bodybuilding for the Beginner! - Mar. 22 2004 12:41:13
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Cashman
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Glad to hear I have got you on a good path so far 
Personally I'd say have more protein when you wake up as that's when your body will need it most after 8 hours with no food.
Your training regime looks fine though back/delts has no deadlifts (one of THE best mass builders) too many rows. I'm also concerned that you are working delts after chest and again after back in the very next session. This will lead to overtraining IMHO. You have plenty of deltoid work after chest so really I'd recommend your back day should look something like this to get the most out of it -
Deadlifts
Wide grip chins
Bent over rows
Shrugs
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RE: Bodybuilding for the Beginner! - Mar. 23 2004 11:03:46
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Cashman
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You can have your 9.30am shake as well as one at 6.30 in the morning.
Personally I find delts a funny muscle group as they feel like they can take a pounding but if you want optimal growth you must be very mindful not to overtrain them as you will significantly limit their growth potential which I feel you will do if you hit two days running. In the longer term you may leave them more prone to injury when you start going very heavy as you get stronger as well.
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RE: Bodybuilding for the Beginner! - Mar. 23 2004 13:33:09
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Neowarrior
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Good point. Might have to jiggle things a little. Cheers
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RE: Bodybuilding for the Beginner! - Mar. 24 2004 17:31:52
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JohnOvManchester
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dg - quote:
SATURDAY - Chest/Tri
5 Min warm-up
Dumbell Flat Bench - 4 sets 6-8 reps
Weighted Dips For Chest - 4 sets 6-8 reps (last set to failure)
Incline Dumbell Fly- 4 sets 6-8 reps (last set to failure)
Skull Crushers - 3 sets 6-8 reps (or close grip bench press)
overhead cable presses 3 sets 6-8 reps (last set to fail)
SUNDAY - Back/Bi
5 min warm-up
Deadlifts 4 sets 6-8 reps (last set to failure)
Bent Over One Arm Dumbell Rows 4 sets 6-8 reps
Lat pulldowns 3 sets 6-8 reps (last set to fail)
(I would prefer you to do chins instead though if you are strong enough to lift your bodyweight)
Barbell Bicep curl 3 sets 6-8 reps
One arm Dumbell Hammer curls 3 sets 6-8 reps
TUESDAY - Delts/traps
5 min warm-up
Seated Dumbell military press 3 sets 6-8 reps
Lateral dumbell raises (side) 3 sets 6-8 reps (last to fail)
Barbell Shrugs 5 sets 6-8 reps
THURSDAY - Legs & Abs
5 min warm-up
Barbell Squats 4 sets 6-8 reps
Stiff Legged Dead Lifts 3 sets 6-8 reps
Calf Raises 4 sets 8-10 reps (last set to fail)
Weighted Swiss Ball crunches 4x sets 6-8 reps
hanging leg raises 4x sets 6-8 reps
Dumbell side bends 3x sets 6-8 reps
Nowt wrong with saturday or sunday.
I personally would pair tues & thurs together and change a few things there...
*standing* military press instead of seated same reps and sets.
drop shrugs - traps will have took a pounding on the sunday.
Keep squats, drop the rest but add leg extentions and ham curls.
Then I would just do weighted sit-ups on a differant day.
All the big compound movments are already in this routine.
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RE: Bodybuilding for the Beginner! - Mar. 24 2004 18:48:25
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Cashman
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DG, My thinking with this original routine was to get the body used to the range of effective exrcises and build base strength and MOST IMPORTANTLY excellent form. 5x5 is awesome but beginners should get their form right and get a feel for their training weight for a few months before going on a HIT 5x5 style routine IMHO, which can be immensley punishing if you don't know your body very well. I have included the big compounds in there - dead/squat/bench/dips/chins so that they can get a feel for the strict form needed to do these lifts safely. But this routine has been very effective so far and has certainly helped many discover their limits and to know their body better.
I've done it as a 4 day split for the ever enthusiastic beginner but as said by john above it's easily converted to a 3 day split by putting shoulders with legs and dropping traps strictly to back day.
Once people have really started to plateau with this routine there is a listed 5x5 style HIT routine at the end of my guide for those who want to take the next step forward. Hope that helps.
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RE: Bodybuilding for the Beginner! - Mar. 31 2004 15:51:30
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vinze
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Hello! First ever post and im strangly chuffed! lol
Been bodybuilding only for a short period of time about 4 months now but am definately going to change to crashmans routine after easter once ive had a weeks complete break and rest, being new to this my knowaledge is a little lacking and have to ask ( sorry if its obvious to every one else or has been stated before and ive overlooked it) do you lift the same wieght on all sets until you can do all sets to eight reps or start off at a lower wieght and pyrmid the wieght up so the first few sets are completed fully then the last set may fail before eight?
Hope that makes sense too!! Thanks for any posts
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RE: Bodybuilding for the Beginner! - Mar. 31 2004 15:58:07
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Cashman
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Lift as heavy as possible with strict form for 8 reps. You'll find that by set 3 you'll probably be down to 6 reps but that's fine. Basically when you feel that you could get to 8 reps comfortably (and probably squeeze another rep or two out if you pushed yourself) then it's time to add more on. Don't worry if you only make it to 6 reps. Just keep 8 as the target.
Good luck.
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RE: Bodybuilding for the Beginner! - Mar. 31 2004 20:34:26
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vinze
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Thanks and thanks for the great post at the begining of this topic found it very helpful and easy too understand,Cheers!!
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RE: Bodybuilding for the Beginner! - Apr. 1 2004 12:03:10
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Cashman
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Cheers Vinze, always nice to hear positive feedback, and good luck.
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RE: Bodybuilding for the Beginner! - Apr. 1 2004 18:04:31
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working out from home i am unable to do 'overhead cable presses and 'weighted swiss ball crunches'what alternatives can i do please!
cheers pete
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RE: Bodybuilding for the Beginner! - Apr. 2 2004 10:21:04
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Cashman
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Pete - you can do a couple of extra sets of skull crushers or close grip bench to compensate for no cable press(watch the elbows though with Skulls as mine have always been hit very hard with this exercise).
For abs I'd say invest in a swiss ball if you've got the cash (usually only around £15, argos probably sell them). If not then standard crunches (you can hold on to plates to add more resistance) and leg raises should be fine. I personally feel that crunches on the swiss ball are better as they require more use of the stabilising muscles and obliques, and also allow you to supinate your back without puuting too much strain on the spine. It's also easier to crunch while holding a plate to your chest or behind your head.
Hope that helps.
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RE: Bodybuilding for the Beginner! - Apr. 2 2004 20:32:13
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pete66
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thanks cashman, i am actualy in a fair bit of pain regarding my elbow area and am waiting to have some physio and it was the skull crushers that i felt the initial twinge, so i am keeping off them for the time being, i will look into a swiss ball.
Thanks much appreciated
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RE: Bodybuilding for the Beginner! - Apr. 5 2004 11:18:23
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Cashman
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No prob. Good to lay off skulls if elbow pain is there. Close grip bench and bench dips are fine, and I find these lest stressful on the elbow as well.
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RE: Bodybuilding for the Beginner! - Apr. 7 2004 16:01:02
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Daztec
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This is great stuff, just one thing I train my muscle groups more than once a week, am I overtrainning then ???...would I get more growth from exercising just one muscle group instead
cheers
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