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RE: Overtraining... - Nov. 20 2007 17:29:12
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JayavarmanVII
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I overtained on Frankie's 5x5. I was completely and utterly burnt-out after 1 month.
I gain better off full-body routines - 12-15 compund sets 3x a weeks.
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RE: Overtraining... - Nov. 20 2007 17:36:25
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ORIGINAL: JayavarmanVII
I overtained on Frankie's 5x5. I was completely and utterly burnt-out after 1 month.
I gain better off full-body routines - 12-15 compund sets 3x a weeks.
Interesting.
I'm on week-five of an HST programme, and I've definitely felt hints of overtraining (inescapable sleepiness in the early evening, a cough that won't budge).
I'm gonna see it through to the end, of course, but I'm looking forward to getting back to a split week.
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RE: Overtraining... - Nov. 20 2007 17:40:17
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ORIGINAL: JayavarmanVII
I overtained on Frankie's 5x5. I was completely and utterly burnt-out after 1 month.
I gain better off full-body routines - 12-15 compund sets 3x a weeks.
Interesting.
I'm on week-five of an HST programme, and I've definitely felt hints of overtraining (inescapable sleepiness in the early evening, a cough that won't budge).
I'm gonna see it through to the end, of course, but I'm looking forward to getting back to a split week.
my opinion would be to not wait to get it sorted but look at other aspects such as your sleep and diet if your not going to ease up with the training.
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RE: Overtraining... - Nov. 20 2007 17:44:22
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Lord Monkcheese
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JohnKerr - doesn't HST have built-in deloading sessions which would avoid overtraining? IIRC the first 2 sessions each fortnight will be relatively easy compared to the final few sessions, then you reduce the reps, and repeat for another 2 weeks.
If anything, I felt when I used this programme that I wasn't working hard enough.
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to call it under-resting is more of a men's health comment
MH are more likely to state "do not train 2 days consecutively as that will lead to overtraining" irrespective of body part split, sets, reps, intensity or training age. They tout the overtraining comments frequently yet I've never seen the "under-resting" statement ever made.
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RE: Overtraining... - Nov. 20 2007 17:48:11
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JohnKerr2
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JohnKerr - doesn't HST have built-in deloading sessions which would avoid overtraining? IIRC the first 2 sessions each fortnight will be relatively easy compared to the final few sessions, then you reduce the reps, and repeat for another 2 weeks.
If anything, I felt when I used this programme that I wasn't working hard enough.
Yeah, the system works on a progressive load over two weeks on a set rep range that drops for the next two weeks and the next.
The first two or three sessions are a bit easier - but this hasn't stopped me panting in exhaustion all the way through them.
Also, the bit I didn't mention is that I've been doing four sessions a week as opposed to the prescribed three.
Naughty John.
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RE: Overtraining... - Nov. 20 2007 17:50:27
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Lord Monkcheese
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As it's a full-body routine then how are you overcoming training the same muscle group 2 days in a row if you have 4 sessions per week?
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RE: Overtraining... - Nov. 20 2007 17:52:04
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As it's a full-body routine then how are you overcoming training the same muscle group 2 days in a row if you have 4 sessions per week?
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I'm not!
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RE: Overtraining... - Nov. 20 2007 18:02:34
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Lord Monkcheese
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Well, using my vast expeience and knowledge gleamed from a 3 month Premier Diploma in Personal Training and almost 3 years in the fitness industry, I'll just add your data into my fitness database........
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feeling tired and not fully recovered
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I confidently conclude you sir are guilty of overtraining.
Glad to see that £4000 wasn't completely wasted.
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RE: Overtraining... - Nov. 20 2007 18:04:50
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JohnKerr2
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I confidently conclude you sir are guilty of overtraining.
Glad to see that £4000 wasn't completely wasted.
In my defence I think I'm on the cusp of overtraining and not as such officially overtraining.
I'm like on the edge dude. Y'know, like, extreme. Yeah. Peace.
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RE: Overtraining... - Nov. 20 2007 18:05:15
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Im taking a week off at the moment as I feel knackered and the appetite aint great. Its difficult to describe but its something I can spot as ive been training a while now and know when my body needs a rest.
Im not bothered by it. I do get the odd feeling of guilt but I know ill be back next week fresher and ready to go at it again hard.
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RE: Overtraining... - Nov. 20 2007 18:17:37
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When I do Tony Starks Generic 4 day split + 3 Sessions of Cardio I never last more then 2.5 weeks. I get cranky and can't sleep.
Yes I overtrain often...
I need to take half a week off then I'm OK again...
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RE: Overtraining... - Nov. 20 2007 18:24:16
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I think, in all honesty, I've been overtraining for years without realising it - 1hr workouts of 20 sets per bodypart, 5 times or 6 times a week, religiously.
Since doing a show in September and having some people a touch more in the know get hold of me with a view to helping me make significant improvements for 2008, my training volume has been reduced by maybe 60% and I'm on a 9-day split now - the standard week no longer exists for my training split.
The result so far? Significant new tissue gain and fresh stretch marks across the pecs - not had them since the days I started training and got the initial growing spurt.
It's not from "bulking" either as I'm still only around 10-11% bodyfat.
So, yes, overtraining was a fact but I didn't realise it as I didn't feel run down, tired, weak etc etc.
v. interested to hear more about this righty,
perchance one may drop me a mail?
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RE: Overtraining... - Nov. 20 2007 18:28:59
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IMO almost everyone is overtrained.
I was asked to do this by a trainer:
Take a week off. Measure resting heart rate first thing bedfore even sitting up in the morning. Watch it decrease. After 7 days, this is your true level.
With overtraining, you'r resting HR wil rise by about 5 before it stops you growing. Monitor HR ever couple of days. If overtrained, stop for two days. Measure again. Keep the cals up.
If you're not natty, there are meds which help.
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RE: Overtraining... - Nov. 20 2007 18:31:53
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Constantine
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Interesting that weight training is technically overtraining anyway as you are tearing muscle fibres to make them grow back stronger and bigger.
Its probably over - overtraining 
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RE: Overtraining... - Nov. 20 2007 19:05:59
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Big D
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ORIGINAL: Lord Monkcheese
JohnKerr - doesn't HST have built-in deloading sessions which would avoid overtraining? IIRC the first 2 sessions each fortnight will be relatively easy compared to the final few sessions, then you reduce the reps, and repeat for another 2 weeks.
If anything, I felt when I used this programme that I wasn't working hard enough.
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to call it under-resting is more of a men's health comment
MH are more likely to state "do not train 2 days consecutively as that will lead to overtraining" irrespective of body part split, sets, reps, intensity or training age. They tout the overtraining comments frequently yet I've never seen the "under-resting" statement ever made.
i wouldnt know i dont read it, id rather read journals and peer reviewed books or even just try and tug my balls off for an hour than waste my time with MH
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RE: Overtraining... - Nov. 20 2007 19:17:11
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I can't comment on weight training, but over training from a running (long distance) perspective is very real.
I experienced it my self and over a few weeks and months my times just disintegrated
It just creeps up on you and you only notice when people who you normally blow away go past you and you cant do anything about it. Everytime someone who was not normally in my league went past, i tried to respond but the legs just wouldn't co-operate, very depressing.
And the worst part it takes months and months to recover if ever.
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RE: Overtraining... - Nov. 20 2007 19:26:45
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Yes I have been overtrained, i can tell when its happening as I feel lethargic, loss of appitite, restless sleep etc.
I usually reduce volume/deload, increase calories or increase sleep (or sometimes all three).
Oh and progress stalls in the gym, even regressing if I am very overtrained.
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RE: Overtraining... - Nov. 20 2007 19:26:59
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GVT anyone?
i dont think i over train
i hear a sign of it is also sore throats?
rest, plenty of water and up your vit C is also what ive seen recomended
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RE: Overtraining... - Nov. 20 2007 19:33:42
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ap
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Has anyone on here overtrained previously?
Yes, this summer
How did you overtrain yourself?
Brutal cardiovascular pre-season football training regime combined with 3 weights sessions a week.
What were your symptoms?
Anxiety, 'empty' feeling, lack of motivation, loss of appetite, loss of libido, loss of cardivascular fitness, 'heavy' legs
What did you do to recover?
Ceased all activity for about 10 days and gradually symptoms subsided
Are you scared it will ever happen again?
Yes, it was awful and would never want to feel like that again
Do you think you now push yourself less as your scared it will happen again?
Definitely not - I am just more in tune with listening to my body's signs (which I ignored over the summer) so will back down in future when I need to.
My problems were down mainly to CNS fryage I think. I was doing 2 brutal cardiovascular sessions a week. I was eating well, but perhaps slacked on the sleep front, getting 7 hours instead of 8 a night.
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RE: Overtraining... - Nov. 20 2007 19:34:55
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ap
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ORIGINAL: Oldy
I can't comment on weight training, but over training from a running (long distance) perspective is very real.
I experienced it my self and over a few weeks and months my times just disintegrated
It just creeps up on you and you only notice when people who you normally blow away go past you and you cant do anything about it. Everytime someone who was not normally in my league went past, i tried to respond but the legs just wouldn't co-operate, very depressing.
And the worst part it takes months and months to recover if ever.
Very true mate - as football is a 'running sport' I can attest to this. The legs just don't wanna work do they!
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