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RE: Overtraining... - Nov. 20 2007 20:11:37
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T0NY
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I think alot of people are far to keen to cry overtraining to explain away their lack of progress.
It's much more fashionable to claim to be overtrained than to admit your diet/training/lifestyle is at fault for your lack of gains.
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RE: Overtraining... - Nov. 20 2007 20:46:07
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I think, in all honesty, I've been overtraining for years without realising it - 1hr workouts of 20 sets per bodypart, 5 times or 6 times a week, religiously.
Since doing a show in September and having some people a touch more in the know get hold of me with a view to helping me make significant improvements for 2008, my training volume has been reduced by maybe 60% and I'm on a 9-day split now - the standard week no longer exists for my training split.
The result so far? Significant new tissue gain and fresh stretch marks across the pecs - not had them since the days I started training and got the initial growing spurt.
It's not from "bulking" either as I'm still only around 10-11% bodyfat.
So, yes, overtraining was a fact but I didn't realise it as I didn't feel run down, tired, weak etc etc.
v. interested to hear more about this righty,
perchance one may drop me a mail?
Expand on which bit mate? Routine? Nutrition? All of it?
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RE: Overtraining... - Nov. 20 2007 20:52:38
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I overtrained, I was run down and had a cold for months until I eased up.
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RE: Overtraining... - Nov. 20 2007 20:55:21
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a nine day split mate? so you train each body part once every nine days, more if you have rest days? i bet that took some getting your head round, were all conditioned into thinking you have to train each once a week
you still advocate volume training for arms or you changed that as well?
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RE: Overtraining... - Nov. 20 2007 20:56:40
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Expand on which bit mate? Routine? Nutrition? All of it?
routine mate, sounds interesting and not something i'd considered before
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RE: Overtraining... - Nov. 20 2007 21:01:10
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I've never understood the unquestioned adherence to seven day routines.
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RE: Overtraining... - Nov. 20 2007 21:35:24
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There are two sides to recovery: muscle tissue replacement and central nervous system (CNS) recovery. Muscle tissue recovery is relatively easy: sufficient rest and adequate nutrition.
CNS recovery is a different matter: each individual has there own CNS tolerance to exercise, and although it can be improved, in my experience (as a natural trainer) it is much less adaptable to progressive training. Overtraining certainly exists and it can have little to do with under-resting.
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RE: Overtraining... - Nov. 20 2007 21:37:23
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I've never understood the unquestioned adherence to seven day routines.
It's fairly straightforward explanation-wise.
There are seven days in a week.
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RE: Overtraining... - Nov. 20 2007 21:38:08
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There are two sides to recovery: muscle tissue replacement and central nervous system (CNS) recovery. Muscle tissue recovery is relatively easy: sufficient rest and adequate nutrition.
CNS recovery is a different matter: each individual has there own CNS tolerance to exercise, and although it can be improved, in my experience (as a natural trainer) it is much less adaptable to progressive training. Overtraining certainly exists and it can have little to do with under-resting.
Then what does CNS recovery require in your view?
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RE: Overtraining... - Nov. 20 2007 21:59:51
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Then what does CNS recovery require in your view?
Not a case of recovery, but prevention: in other words not training beyond your capacity to recover. Easier said than done, but after a few dozen workouts most people can get a feel for how far they can push themselves for positive growth and at what point extra volume or intensity becomes counterproductive. As a natural trainer with a moderate exercise threshold I make my best gains if I train hard but stop short of nausea. Others may be able to go through this barrier any beyond without any problems.
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RE: Overtraining... - Nov. 21 2007 8:20:10
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I think alot of people are far to keen to cry overtraining to explain away their lack of progress.
It's much more fashionable to claim to be overtrained than to admit your diet/training/lifestyle is at fault for your lack of gains.
+1
Overtraining is overated, lots of people havent started not to understand a thing about training resistance yet, i'm not pointing fingers just in general i mean.
Undertraining, undereating are far more of a problem for most. IMO
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RE: Overtraining... - Nov. 21 2007 10:23:28
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Expand on which bit mate? Routine? Nutrition? All of it?
routine mate, sounds interesting and not something i'd considered before
I'd be interested to hear it as well mate if u wanna post it up.
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RE: Overtraining... - Nov. 21 2007 11:48:33
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ORIGINAL: rightyho
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ORIGINAL: Dieselboy
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ORIGINAL: rightyho
I think, in all honesty, I've been overtraining for years without realising it - 1hr workouts of 20 sets per bodypart, 5 times or 6 times a week, religiously.
Since doing a show in September and having some people a touch more in the know get hold of me with a view to helping me make significant improvements for 2008, my training volume has been reduced by maybe 60% and I'm on a 9-day split now - the standard week no longer exists for my training split.
The result so far? Significant new tissue gain and fresh stretch marks across the pecs - not had them since the days I started training and got the initial growing spurt.
It's not from "bulking" either as I'm still only around 10-11% bodyfat.
So, yes, overtraining was a fact but I didn't realise it as I didn't feel run down, tired, weak etc etc.
v. interested to hear more about this righty,
perchance one may drop me a mail?
Expand on which bit mate? Routine? Nutrition? All of it?
I'd be interested in the Nutrition and Routine Righty if you have a few min's?
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RE: Overtraining... - Nov. 21 2007 12:10:56
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http://www.uk-muscle.co.uk/shows-pros-inspiration/22558-rightyho.html
thats rightys journal and it mentions his diet and training... good read
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