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anabolicjay -> Overtraining... (Nov. 20 2007 15:36:40)
Has anyone on here overtrained previously? How did you overtrain yourself? What were your symptoms? What did you do to recover? Are you scared it will ever happen again? Do you think you now push yourself less as your scared it will happen again? All thoughts and views welcome.

Ak_88 -> RE: Overtraining... (Nov. 20 2007 15:56:25)
Define overtraining jay [:)]

Apollo -> RE: Overtraining... (Nov. 20 2007 15:57:44)
Whats scary about it mate?

anabolicjay -> RE: Overtraining... (Nov. 20 2007 15:58:56)
thaken from wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overtraining Overtraining occurs when the volume and intensity of an individual's exercise exceeds their recovery capacity. They cease making progress, and can even begin to lose strength and fitness. Overtraining is a common problem in weight training, but it can also be experienced by runners and other athletes.

cu3ed -> RE: Overtraining... (Nov. 20 2007 16:01:48)
Yes, I believe I did this to my stoamche/ core muscles, it wasnt sore as such, they just had NOTHING in them, and (at the time) i couldnt understand why. Was very weird at them time actually, cause I had no idea what was going on.

onion -> RE: Overtraining... (Nov. 20 2007 16:22:54)
i believe i may have done recently. i had been working hard all month at work doing double shifts etcon the building site and then coming home and doing weights, hardly sleeping, and repeating the day, food went to pot, i lost all strength, got ill, and get really depressed and i mean really depressed. i stopped training for 2 weeks, got some early nights and ive been fine since. wether that is over training or not i dont know but i know i over did it as far as my body was concerened.

Ak_88 -> RE: Overtraining... (Nov. 20 2007 16:28:41)
I was feeling overtrained a few weeks ago based on Jay's definition. My lifts were dropping and i wasn't sleeping properly. IMO if you're identifying with symptoms of overtraining then a week off is a good bet if it's been a while since your last break.

Apollo -> RE: Overtraining... (Nov. 20 2007 16:30:35)
Sign of overtraining for me, I mean when I trained hard and had hardly any sleep and had to work or somthin is I get a few ulcers in my mouth aswell as a few zits, generally feel exausted and can feel quite depressed, even come down with a slight illness. I find sleep most important at least for me in avoiding overtraining.

Lord Monkcheese -> RE: Overtraining... (Nov. 20 2007 16:35:03)
Overtraining is a fallacy perpetuated by glossy men's magazines. Under-resting however usually displays all the 'symptons' mentioned above and can be easily resolved.

rightyho -> RE: Overtraining... (Nov. 20 2007 16:37:18)
I think, in all honesty, I've been overtraining for years without realising it - 1hr workouts of 20 sets per bodypart, 5 times or 6 times a week, religiously. Since doing a show in September and having some people a touch more in the know get hold of me with a view to helping me make significant improvements for 2008, my training volume has been reduced by maybe 60% and I'm on a 9-day split now - the standard week no longer exists for my training split. The result so far? Significant new tissue gain and fresh stretch marks across the pecs - not had them since the days I started training and got the initial growing spurt. It's not from "bulking" either as I'm still only around 10-11% bodyfat. So, yes, overtraining was a fact but I didn't realise it as I didn't feel run down, tired, weak etc etc.

Lord Monkcheese -> RE: Overtraining... (Nov. 20 2007 16:40:42)
Do you feel, if you had more time available, that with sufficient rest you could still maintain the previous routine and make gains. i.e. were you training too much or resting too little?

rightyho -> RE: Overtraining... (Nov. 20 2007 16:42:55)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lord Monkcheese Do you feel, if you had more time available, that with sufficient rest you could still maintain the previous routine and make gains. i.e. were you training too much or resting too little? I saw your post above my original one mate and used to subscribe to the theory of under-recovering. However, as I do feck all through the day but sit down and eat, and get more sleep than the average person, and am now growing very quickly by doing less, it had to have been overtraining - there's no time to have extra rest so no way of reducing "under-recovering".

Lord Monkcheese -> RE: Overtraining... (Nov. 20 2007 16:46:44)
Would you attribute this lack of growth from previous routines and new gains from less work as being something age-related? I've read journals and training logs of older guys who have stopped doing traditional 3/4/5 day per week splits and moved to a more unconventional x number of sessions over a 2 or 3 week period. Less workouts, same intensity, more recovery between sessions, more gains.

rightyho -> RE: Overtraining... (Nov. 20 2007 16:50:06)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lord Monkcheese Would you attribute this lack of growth from previous routines and new gains from less work as being something age-related? I've read journals and training logs of older guys who have stopped doing traditional 3/4/5 day per week splits and moved to a more unconventional x number of sessions over a 2 or 3 week period. Less workouts, same intensity, more recovery between sessions, more gains. Lol, define older. There is a point where natural hormones decline to a point of being less-than-useful for bodybuilding but a) it's generally a lot later than my age (38) and b) depends if you're "natural" or not. I'd attribute the extra tissue growth to matching my recovery ability to my training stimulus and nutrition. Whether it's at a higher, lower or same plane as everyone else doesn't concern me - it's relevant to me and I stand by my opinion that overtraining, in this individual's case, was a factor for slowing results.

cricket_fire -> RE: Overtraining... (Nov. 20 2007 16:54:01)
quote: Has anyone on here overtrained previously? I've overtrained plenty of times in my day haha quote: How did you overtrain yourself? Usually it's from prolonged periods of heavy training, with no rest time, not enough active recovery, low nutrient diet, and hard on the liquor. quote: What were your symptoms? I actually get depressed when overtrained, and for some reason my eyelids twitch[&:] quote: What did you do to recover? I just take a week off training completely if I'm overtrained. To make sure I don't get overtrained, I; -cycle exercises constantly -take frequent deload weeks (my training consists of a max lift, heavy assistance, speed work, and light assistance, for Squat/Dead, and Bench, spread over 2 days for each lift. For a deload week I'll take the max lift, and speed work out) -do extra recovery workouts (very low volume/low intensity, just a couple sets of high rep isolation to get the blood flowing the day after training that muscle) quote: Are you scared it will ever happen again? I'm almost positive it'll happen again, but I know how to combat it quote: Do you think you now push yourself less as your scared it will happen again? Not at all, I just make sure I keep up proper nutrition/AR/proper training protocol

Lord Monkcheese -> RE: Overtraining... (Nov. 20 2007 17:01:18)
By older I mean older than you were previously rather than pigeon-holing a specific age or age bracket. True, in certain context 38 may be quite spritely (considering Ronnie is pushing 43 and still looking fab) but may be considered quite old to those youngsters who are just starting out on their BBing journey aged 18-25. Age in this context is arbitary. What I mean is, as you get older, get more experienced, you learn what works well for you as an individual, not works well for John or Pete or whoever, and you've adapted your training accordingly. Now this could be becuase you've found some things just didn't work, or it could be because you've got older and your body can no longer cope with the demands of 5/6 day a week training, whereas previously it may have been able to. Obviously, from your pics, your training does work or at least has done in the past. In order to replicate those early gains your training has adapted accordingly and your overtraining was a by product of increased age, but age per se shouldn't be alimiting factor as you're clearly experiencing. Maybe I'm trying to find an excuse for why my progress doesn't match my expectations and blaming the age (I'm 34) is an easy answer......[X(]

sub_z3ro -> RE: Overtraining... (Nov. 20 2007 17:06:13)
I've put on a lot of size and strength since I stopped training every other day and started training every 2 days. Perhaps I dont recover as well as others? Definately working though. sub

Lord Monkcheese -> RE: Overtraining... (Nov. 20 2007 17:10:01)
quote: ORIGINAL: sub_z3ro I've put on a lot of size and strength since I stopped training every other day and started training every 2 days. Perhaps I dont recover as well as others? Definately working though. sub Eh?? Every other day: Mon, Weds, Fri, Sun, Tues Every 2 days Mon, Weds, Fri, Sun, Tues Aren't they the same?

sub_z3ro -> RE: Overtraining... (Nov. 20 2007 17:13:07)
Ok lets try again then, I now have 2 days rest between workouts. sub

Big D -> RE: Overtraining... (Nov. 20 2007 17:26:10)
Has anyone on here overtrained previously? yes How did you overtrain yourself? poor diet along with training too often and not giving the body time and what it needed to recover What were your symptoms? general lethargy very little gains in compariosn to other prgrams i had tried What did you do to recover? took a month off and sorted my diet out in that time, was probably more time off than i needed but i got back into training with more hunger. Are you scared it will ever happen again? not really, i know my body a lot better now Do you think you now push yourself less as your scared it will happen again? no, overtraining is not just down to what you do in the gym. overtraining does exist, there is plenty of scientific literature out there granted its only really been moving forward the last few years but to call it under-resting is more of a men's health comment. i did a 3rd year physiology essay on over training which was interesting, found loads of info on goole scholar about it.

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