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RE: 1989 the birth of a beast.. - May 5 2008 16:34:59
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Scott32
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**JOURNAL UPDATE**
Tomorrow i start my cut, really looking forwards to eatting alot less tbh.
Anyway i though now would be a good time to post my stats up so i have a baring on were i am at with the cutting:
All measurments cold and in inches:
Neck: 18
Arms: L 18.2 R 18.3
Chest: 49
Legs: L 29 R 30.5
Calves: L 18 R 18.5
Age: 18
Morning Weight: 17.10
Bodyfat: 23% caliper reading
Height: 5,8'
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RE: 1989 the birth of a beast.. - May 5 2008 16:44:24
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Tomorrow i start my cut, really looking forwards to eatting alot less tbh.
in a week you will regret saying that
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RE: 1989 the birth of a beast.. - May 5 2008 16:49:11
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**CUTTING DIETRY REQUIRMENTS**
Shopping list each week:
Sunflower seeds
Chicken
Stake
Low fat sausages
Carrot & coriander soup
Light Balti Sauce
Tuna
Chicken in breadcrumbs
Cottage cheese
Dry Bacon
Eggs
Quark
Torttilas
Basmarti rice
Linseed Bread
Kidney beans
Broccoli
Red Milk
Bannanas
Cherry Tomatoes
Salad
Potatoes
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Codliver oil
Flaxseed oil
Glutamine
Vit C
Vit E
Multi Vit
Whey isolate
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RE: 1989 the birth of a beast.. - May 5 2008 16:51:27
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Tomorrow i start my cut, really looking forwards to eatting alot less tbh.
in a week you will regret saying that
Lol first weeks fine its 2-4 that get to you after that its a cruise.
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RE: 1989 the birth of a beast.. - May 5 2008 16:57:14
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ill be watching this with interest mate.
i dont know what your game plan is but i spoke to that scot leeson dude on ukm and he said cardio on empty 5-6 days a week and cardio after weights gets the fat off
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without wishing to sound like c.unt. I reckon folk would do better just lifting instead of spending time reading about what does what.
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RE: 1989 the birth of a beast.. - May 5 2008 16:59:45
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Phase 1: Drop fats/simple sugars slightly
Phase 2: Set diet gets put in place (looking at overal cals)
Phase 3: Set diet is adapted to drop carbs slightly
Phase 4: Set diet is very much adapted to high protien, modarate fats and timed carbs.
Phase 5: Start cardio 60 mins ed. (if needed this might come later)
Phase 6: Start Clen.
Phase 7: Drop carbs to 40-60 kentosis.
Phase 8: (after reaching goal) carb cycle put in place for maintence.
First 8 weeks have no cardio in atall.
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RE: 1989 the birth of a beast.. - May 5 2008 19:11:40
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How long are you planning on setting aside to shifting that adipose tissue? Will be interesting to watch your progress and see the end result. Have always been wary of blowing right out but then I am not assisted. What will you running alongide this new diet?
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RE: 1989 the birth of a beast.. - May 5 2008 19:15:45
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I will be cut up in 14-16 weeks.
Dropping test to 750mg and adding tren e 400mg ew.
When are you starting cycle mate?
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RE: 1989 the birth of a beast.. - May 5 2008 19:22:11
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Early June. Not sure what to expect to be honest.
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RE: 1989 the birth of a beast.. - May 5 2008 19:29:13
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Early June. Not sure what to expect to be honest.
Dont expect much then what you do gain off cycle will be a bonus. Many people go into raputers about how test makes them feel on top of the world and gain stones of muscle i think this is very much overplayed and genrally bullshit.
When im on cycle i feel a little hotter than normal, a little more tierd and gain that little bit more.
Its your first cycle though mate you should put on 6-12lb of mucle over the 10 weeks at 500mg pw. enjoy.
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RE: 1989 the birth of a beast.. - May 5 2008 19:32:39
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Will e running for 12 weeks as opposed to 10, assuming that I don't get any sides. Not sure whether to include proviron yet though am leaning towards it. Whether it will be 25 or 50mg ED is another matter. Thoughts?
Yes I understand that a large part of the gains will be water, though my diet is pretty good to be fair.
If I am squatting 140 for 3x8 currently, what sort of improvements would be at the end of the cycle in the same rep range and would this be retainable. I also read that it is difficult to gain the same amount of muscle in your legs as it is your upper body when on a cycle....?
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RE: 1989 the birth of a beast.. - May 5 2008 19:54:04
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12 weeks would be fine to run it for, run prov if you find after 5 weeks on your carrying lots of water (you want to find out how you react first to test alone) if/when you do run it use 50mg ed.
Prov depending on were you get it from can be a bit of a piss take in cost so other anti-e's would probly be cheaper for you if you havnt got a good connection.
As for the strenght gains mate its impossible to tell but i find when i come off strenght gains drop by a 1/3. Genral rule is faster you gain weight/strenght off steriods the faster you will loose it when you stop use. Hence why i like long cycles as it gives time for body to adapt.
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RE: 1989 the birth of a beast.. - May 5 2008 19:59:34
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Can you suggest any other anti-es? Novla is cheaper I read but isn't there a debate over it hindering gains?
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RE: 1989 the birth of a beast.. - May 5 2008 20:25:57
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Theres, nolva, prov, letro, adex
Nolva ok at keeping control of bloat and is cheap but said to deminish gains by around 5%.
Prov isnt very good at keeping down the bloat tbh, but it has other useful properties.
Letro is cheap as chips and is very good but can holed harsh sides of its own.
Adex is effective at taking bloat away. (is quit expensive though).
Tbh though you need some water/bloat to maximise gains anyway.
If uve got lots of money to burn use adex other wise nolva or prov should be fine. I just use nolva.
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RE: 1989 the birth of a beast.. - May 5 2008 20:44:24
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What sort of water bloat are we talking? A moon face?
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RE: 1989 the birth of a beast.. - May 5 2008 20:46:47
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Tecnically speaking the more bloat you have the heavier you should be able to lift.
Start the anti-e's when your not happy with how much water your carrying its really not going to effect gains that much mate.
*i have to add i dont put on much noticable bloat atal were as other people end up loking really swollen. Just monitor it.
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RE: 1989 the birth of a beast.. - May 5 2008 20:49:19
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Thanks for the advice. I will keep track of your dieting progress and will let you know closer to the date when I start the cycle. Any guidance will prove invaluable. 
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RE: 1989 the birth of a beast.. - May 7 2008 13:41:58
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Diet is underway, going to be a boring 3 months.
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RE: 1989 the birth of a beast.. - May 7 2008 13:45:33
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mate ive been off the boil for three days with iffy diet and im feeling flat and sh1t.
i feel your pain.
when i diet im just going to stay hooded up for 12 weeks and try not to think about it. its hard seeing that fullness that plenty of carbs gives you go away isnt it
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RE: 1989 the birth of a beast.. - May 7 2008 13:48:18
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I am down 6lbs in 2 days lol 
I dont mind cutting, it just makes me a totally differant person to be around though.
*Btw Pete Philly is really good mate.
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