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RE: Training for MMA League 2008 (pics inside) - May 2 2008 7:29:25
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Hey mate
Just wondering how you fit weight training around martial arts and if you could give me some advice on what's best.
I will be doijng thai boxing on a tuesday and thursday for an hour!?
i found it a nightmare to be honest, i love weight training but weight training for martial arts is totally different due to the nature of being sports specific.
i.e. plyometric/explosive exercises like box jumps, burpees, kettlebell swings instead of bench press,skulls etc.
go to www.rossboxing.com
the workouts there are out of this world and top notch for any fighter 
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RE: Training for MMA League 2008 (pics inside) - May 2 2008 7:36:32
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how've you found this compares to normal calf raises? i know it's a bit of a silly method of analysis....but if normal calf raises = 60% growth...what % would these relate to?
i'd say 80% IMO
the slow negative + long pause at negative = time under strain
calves are a horrendously stubborn muscle to train, we walk/go up stairs/jump etc and they are used.
Their training must be different from the general raising up on your toes like a spring toy (and what i say many doing in the gym).
Like negative holds on any lift such as benching, pressing etc, they have a great effect on the muscle.
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Shoulders/tris
DB military press
1 x 6 26kg *warm up*
1 x 5 40kg (muahahahaha)
3 x 7 35kg
The oly bar was being used so db's were the starter for the day, happy as hell with the 40's
db laterals
1 x 5 14kg
1 x 6 12kg
1 x 8 10kg
side raises
1 x 20 5kg
1 x 16 6kg
1 x 12 8kg
rear raises
3 x 8 6kg
skulls
3 x 12 45kg
*fire alarm went off  *
1 x 6 45kg
pulldowns on lat pulldown
3 x 12 21kg
this always seems harder on the lat pull down, on another station i can lift 80kg  (me thinks it the pulleys?)
overhead extensions (cable)
3 x failure 45kg
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RE: Training for MMA League 2008 (pics inside) - May 2 2008 10:38:53
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The big result for me is hypertrophy, the tape moves when i train my calves like this... strength goes up exponentially as well as with all hypertrophy comes an increase in strength and visa versa
hmmmm... secondary benefits would have to be judged in terms of function for the muscle right?
I have decent sized calves for my stats and i can jump quite high (think tuck jump) but this also comes from plyometric training so i cant comment if its been the plyometrics alone or the weights.
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RE: Training for MMA League 2008 (pics inside) - May 2 2008 10:39:48
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Some nice lifts there mate, well done on the 40's.
Looks like you're enjoying BB'in again
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RE: Training for MMA League 2008 (pics inside) - May 2 2008 10:48:10
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Cheers, had some funny looks as most of the guys are stuck on progressing from 30kg
all in the mind, i have one guy i try and train with and he his a fair size, but stuck on 30kg... i said to him that he's stuck on it as he thinks 35kg is out of his reach when its not IMO.
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RE: Training for MMA League 2008 (pics inside) - May 2 2008 12:59:38
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Hey mate
Just wondering how you fit weight training around martial arts and if you could give me some advice on what's best.
I will be doijng thai boxing on a tuesday and thursday for an hour!?
i found it a nightmare to be honest, i love weight training but weight training for martial arts is totally different due to the nature of being sports specific.
i.e. plyometric/explosive exercises like box jumps, burpees, kettlebell swings instead of bench press,skulls etc.
go to www.rossboxing.com
the workouts there are out of this world and top notch for any fighter
Thanks for that mate. Just a little confused though...
You are doing martial arts and i notice above that you're doing a standard bodybuilding split. why is that?
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RE: Training for MMA League 2008 (pics inside) - May 2 2008 13:08:09
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well done on pressing the 40's if our gym had them i reckon id get a few reps out
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DOMS SUCK - May 2 2008 13:13:33
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Thanks for that mate. Just a little confused though...
You are doing martial arts and i notice above that you're doing a standard bodybuilding split. why is that?
i've just quit MMA
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cheers swift, i'm at a dead end from there though as the next db's are 50's 
so work on building up sets and reps over the next month or two.
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RE: DOMS SUCK - May 2 2008 13:22:15
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Lol
Just read it before you posted, sorry mate!
So with thai boxing on tuesday and thursday do you think i could do a strength routine mon/wed/friday.
Would you say split or full body? Is there any need for isolations when training thai twice a week.
Even though i am doing thai boxing, staying fairly muscular is still important to me!
Sorry to hear ya gave it up mate but you are right, it's something that needs full time and commitment to succeed in.
Most people whatever the interest usually just dabble and i say 'do something properly or not at all'.
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RE: DOMS SUCK - May 2 2008 13:33:56
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Lol
Just read it before you posted, sorry mate!
So with thai boxing on tuesday and thursday do you think i could do a strength routine mon/wed/friday.
Would you say split or full body? Is there any need for isolations when training thai twice a week.
Even though i am doing thai boxing, staying fairly muscular is still important to me!
Sorry to hear ya gave it up mate but you are right, it's something that needs full time and commitment to succeed in.
Most people whatever the interest usually just dabble and i say 'do something properly or not at all'.
1) I think you'll be taxed to recover from thai boxing and strength training if your giving both 100%. The weekends you will be tired and after a week or two you will be feeling pretty downbeat with training. I tried doing what you are suggesting but after 2 weeks i was dragging ass in both gyms.
2)full body split, no isolation movements. Work on compund lifts and plyometrics to assist your muay thai. Big biceps look great but i'd prefer a more explosive punch/kick.
3)I tried to do both and it is ok as long as you train specifically for your chosen martial art, trying to be a bodybuilder and a fighter does not work. Ross said that its like comparing a ripe apple to a fake orange... in translation, you look good when you standing up but the lack of sport specific training will make you look bad as you hit the deck
4) exactly... i love MMA but not that much to dedicate to it and push aside everything else
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RE: DOMS SUCK - May 2 2008 13:48:52
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Lol
Just read it before you posted, sorry mate!
So with thai boxing on tuesday and thursday do you think i could do a strength routine mon/wed/friday.
Would you say split or full body? Is there any need for isolations when training thai twice a week.
Even though i am doing thai boxing, staying fairly muscular is still important to me!
Sorry to hear ya gave it up mate but you are right, it's something that needs full time and commitment to succeed in.
Most people whatever the interest usually just dabble and i say 'do something properly or not at all'.
1) I think you'll be taxed to recover from thai boxing and strength training if your giving both 100%. The weekends you will be tired and after a week or two you will be feeling pretty downbeat with training. I tried doing what you are suggesting but after 2 weeks i was dragging ass in both gyms.
2)full body split, no isolation movements. Work on compund lifts and plyometrics to assist your muay thai. Big biceps look great but i'd prefer a more explosive punch/kick.
3)I tried to do both and it is ok as long as you train specifically for your chosen martial art, trying to be a bodybuilder and a fighter does not work. Ross said that its like comparing a ripe apple to a fake orange... in translation, you look good when you standing up but the lack of sport specific training will make you look bad as you hit the deck
4) exactly... i love MMA but not that much to dedicate to it and push aside everything else
Right now i feel ok but i fully agree that i can't do bodybuilding whilst training properly in martial arts.
Does this look ok... it was recommended to me in the routine section:
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squat
bench
chins
millitary press
B
deadlift
dips
b-o-r
db-press
What plyometrics mate?
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RE: DOMS SUCK - May 2 2008 14:12:01
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who recommended that?
thats not sport specific and its pretty much a basic workout for joe average to train his whole body
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bench press, explosive up, smoothly down
clean, jerk and overhead press,
kettle bell or dumbbell swings
turkish get ups (google)
assorted ab work
2)
over head squats
chins
deadlifts
box jumps
assorted ab work
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RE: DOMS SUCK - May 2 2008 14:30:35
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It was recommended in the routine forum after explaining my situation with 2 x martials sessions per week.
Thanks for that routine mate.
Is that to be done 3 x a week?
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RE: DOMS SUCK - May 2 2008 14:35:21
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no...hence why there is only two parts lol...its a 2 day split
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RE: DOMS SUCK - May 2 2008 14:43:42
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Lol
Just to add mate, at the moment i am not going to get too serious about martial arts.
I wanted to do thai boxing twice a week because it interests me and is a great cardio work out.
I'm sure this will change but for the moment strength training/physique is still a big focuss as i won't be fighting in the near future... Though it may well change.
(Each session is only for an hour too)
Will this change anything we have talked about re weight training?
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RE: DOMS SUCK - May 2 2008 14:51:10
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not really, what i've recommended affords alot of rest to recouperate
Mods: can someone please cut and paste this conversation into the fighters section as i feel it will benefit others more
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RE: DOMS SUCK - May 2 2008 15:01:22
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Cool
Only problem now is that the gym i used doesn't have the facilities for some of those exercises... it's pretty much a standard weight lifting gym; no kettle bells or BOXES lol.
How the hell do you get a significant amount of weight up from the floor to do overhead sqauts?
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RE: DOMS SUCK - May 2 2008 15:12:37
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create a thread in fighters section mate or create a journal!
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