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ORIGINAL: sillynarbie

Also, I dislike this notion that people seem to have that people academically bright are useless. This is nothing short of a load of bollocks. It is true that people with degrees and qualifications are sometimes useless, and numpties at even basic tasks. But the same can be said about people who aren't well educated. There are people who can be bright and have common sense, you know.

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ORIGINAL: sillynarbie

Also, I dislike this notion that people seem to have that people academically bright are useless. This is nothing short of a load of bollocks. It is true that people with degrees and qualifications are sometimes useless, and numpties at even basic tasks. But the same can be said about people who aren't well educated. There are people who can be bright and have common sense, you know.

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ORIGINAL: Dr Zoidberg

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ORIGINAL: sillynarbie

Also, I dislike this notion that people seem to have that people academically bright are useless. This is nothing short of a load of bollocks. It is true that people with degrees and qualifications are sometimes useless, and numpties at even basic tasks. But the same can be said about people who aren't well educated. There are people who can be bright and have common sense, you know.

I can only talk from my own experience

I don't know , perhaps the 'academically bright' ones WERE being clever by avoiding the workload ? I don't know ... But what I saw was too consistant to deny for me personally - maybe in place of 'academically bright' I should be saying University educated ? - some of the less educated guys I had were actually very bright and resourceful guys

Perhaps they thought too much ? ,While the "less bright" employees would simply get on and do the task in hand without question , maybe the brighter ones felt it required thinking time ? Who knows - All I know is that whenever we ended up a guy on a break from Uni , we ended uo with a white elephant of an employee

Maybe it was down to the lack of familiarity with manual work ? I don't know - maybe the REALLY clever ones avoided working at my place ?

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sillynarbie
You must be joking!!

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ORIGINAL: sillynarbie

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ORIGINAL: Dr Zoidberg

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ORIGINAL: sillynarbie

Also, I dislike this notion that people seem to have that people academically bright are useless. This is nothing short of a load of bollocks. It is true that people with degrees and qualifications are sometimes useless, and numpties at even basic tasks. But the same can be said about people who aren't well educated. There are people who can be bright and have common sense, you know.

I can only talk from my own experience

I don't know , perhaps the 'academically bright' ones WERE being clever by avoiding the workload ? I don't know ... But what I saw was too consistant to deny for me personally - maybe in place of 'academically bright' I should be saying University educated ? - some of the less educated guys I had were actually very bright and resourceful guys

Perhaps they thought too much ? ,While the "less bright" employees would simply get on and do the task in hand without question , maybe the brighter ones felt it required thinking time ? Who knows - All I know is that whenever we ended up a guy on a break from Uni , we ended uo with a white elephant of an employee

Maybe it was down to the lack of familiarity with manual work ? I don't know - maybe the REALLY clever ones avoided working at my place ?

I dunno mate. No offence to you but most of the really high-flying bright graduates will be doing summer work at blue-chip employers in the commercial/management side of the business, not doing manual work in a factory.

But let me say this; getting into University and getting a degree in our country is not difficult. Any old idiot can do it. Many people who are for want of a better phrase, thick as ****, manage to get degrees these days. That is just a reflection on the state of the education system of our country. So a degree says nothing about the intelligence or capability of a candidate. Obviously the better the Univeristy you go to, and the harder the course, the more likely you are to find bright and capable people. But they make up only 10-20% of the people that graduate from our Universities every year.

The vast majority are just run-of-the-mill kids who couldn't find a job at 18 or don't know what to do so delay the real world 3 years and have fun. So it is no wonder that 3 years spent in a bar and occasionally doing some piss-easy exams means that these people are more useless when they come out of University than they went in and they probably weren't intelligence or bright to begin with.

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I dunno mate. No offence to you but most of the really high-flying bright graduates will be doing summer work at blue-chip employers in the commercial/management side of the business, not doing manual work in a factory.

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ORIGINAL: sillynarbie
and being able to sell does not make you a good businessman, which is what really gets my goat with the apprentice.

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Just watched it on BBC iPlayer (frankly the best thing to come out of the BBC in history ! - I almost don't begrudge paying my licence fee now )
I cannot believe how poorly that went ! , I am sure that there must have been some behind the scenes direction there to make things look worse than they are - ( FFS , you are given a Van load of fish - whats the first thing you should do ? Go to a cafe and think up a name )
....Or the Girls going into a Fishmongers to ask about Pitches , but not bothering to take note of the Prices ?

I thought the Boys team leader did as good a job as could be expected considering what he had to work with , he had no concept of his team members strengths , and there cannot really be held accountable for their shortcomings
The "rift" in the group was simply caused by the contempt of the other two egomaniacs (both of which were up with firing with him ) and I suspect that Alan Sugar could see this from a mile off , I think he made the right decision , I am glad to see that Nicholas go though , as he was to wet to go any further IMO (Barrister my ass ! ) , but the other guy (Rafe ? ) has a similar Persona with the Balls to try and build on it , so he will be less likely to get booted so quickly , but IMO has just as much potential for making my skin crawl

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ORIGINAL: matt_1972

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ORIGINAL: sillynarbie

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ORIGINAL: Dr Zoidberg

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ORIGINAL: sillynarbie

Also, I dislike this notion that people seem to have that people academically bright are useless. This is nothing short of a load of bollocks. It is true that people with degrees and qualifications are sometimes useless, and numpties at even basic tasks. But the same can be said about people who aren't well educated. There are people who can be bright and have common sense, you know.

I can only talk from my own experience

I don't know , perhaps the 'academically bright' ones WERE being clever by avoiding the workload ? I don't know ... But what I saw was too consistant to deny for me personally - maybe in place of 'academically bright' I should be saying University educated ? - some of the less educated guys I had were actually very bright and resourceful guys

Perhaps they thought too much ? ,While the "less bright" employees would simply get on and do the task in hand without question , maybe the brighter ones felt it required thinking time ? Who knows - All I know is that whenever we ended up a guy on a break from Uni , we ended uo with a white elephant of an employee

Maybe it was down to the lack of familiarity with manual work ? I don't know - maybe the REALLY clever ones avoided working at my place ?

I dunno mate. No offence to you but most of the really high-flying bright graduates will be doing summer work at blue-chip employers in the commercial/management side of the business, not doing manual work in a factory.

But let me say this; getting into University and getting a degree in our country is not difficult. Any old idiot can do it. Many people who are for want of a better phrase, thick as ****, manage to get degrees these days. That is just a reflection on the state of the education system of our country. So a degree says nothing about the intelligence or capability of a candidate. Obviously the better the Univeristy you go to, and the harder the course, the more likely you are to find bright and capable people. But they make up only 10-20% of the people that graduate from our Universities every year.

The vast majority are just run-of-the-mill kids who couldn't find a job at 18 or don't know what to do so delay the real world 3 years and have fun. So it is no wonder that 3 years spent in a bar and occasionally doing some piss-easy exams means that these people are more useless when they come out of University than they went in and they probably weren't intelligence or bright to begin with.

I was reading your post and found myself agreeing with most of it until this. All universities are moderated to ensure the standard of work is the same. Therefore if cambridge and manchester university run the same course, it will be as difficult to pass at one as at the other. The drop out rates and standard of the students may be drastically different, the course content will not.

*steps down and puts soap box under desk*

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sillynarbie
You must be joking!!

Which part exactly mate ?

PS I`ve editted my original post with`in comparison` which I meant to put in initially.

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I was used to making sure everything was 110% correct before ...

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ORIGINAL: matt_1972
All universities are moderated to ensure the standard of work is the same.

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All universities are moderated to ensure the standard of work is the same.

Are they?

Are they really?

Because if they are exactly the same, then a top ten redbrick uni course will hold as much weight as one run by an ex-polytech?