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RE: boditronics red mist - Mar. 29 2008 8:53:24
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I like the name but it doesn't appear that different to the ones you can already buy for cheaper.
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RE: boditronics red mist - Mar. 29 2008 9:11:55
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Just drinking mine now...................lush!!! Like pure orange juice, without the citrus acidity.
Work out soon, then I will post a review.
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RE: boditronics red mist - Mar. 29 2008 10:21:09
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Righto,
just done my workout. Short and sweet, just added another training day to my week, so being able to do that is a bonus!
Taste: Gorgeous! Honestly tastes just like pure orange juice.
Positives:
*Much more focus/drive;
*More energy;
*No jitters;
*No headache;
*Well being, feel good!
Negatives:
* None so far, but I will update if I get a crash later on in the day.
The energy and focus started within 10 mins of taking it. This may be because I very rarely drink/use caffeine, and so got my hit quicker. I took the full sachet, which is 2 normal doses, as I am on the large side.
Hope this helps,
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RE: boditronics red mist - Mar. 29 2008 10:24:12
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Im only 73kg but i want to take the whole sachet. i wont be swinging off the roof shaking will i?
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RE: boditronics red mist - Mar. 29 2008 10:36:59
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Hehehe, depends how you do your chin ups mate!!!!!!
In my opinion, as I don't know you or how resistant to caffeine you are, I would suggest that you may want to half the dose this first time.
If you drink/take lots of stimulant type supps, you should be ok to take the whole sachet.
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RE: boditronics red mist - Mar. 30 2008 14:59:54
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Im only 73kg but i want to take the whole sachet. i wont be swinging off the roof shaking will i?
so its 300mg of caffeine and the free sample contains two servings-or one if you want to take ie 600mg of caffeine.
And caffeine increases your stress hormone, Cortisol, which will lower your Test/Cortisol ratio ie turn you into a girl; then you work out at 6-7pm with 600mg of caffeine-what time do you think you will go to sleep, lower GH levels, increase Cortisol , etc.
The Test/Cortisol study to be published next month-have a read.
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RE: boditronics red mist - Mar. 30 2008 15:48:42
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Am I missing something here, the formula looks weak as already commented, but its also very expensive for 20 servings??
Ok here are the actives please tell me please how this is weak ? what would you add ? and how would you make it more affordable 
Active ingredients per 33g serving:
Cell Volumisers:
Citrulline Malate 1000mg
Creatine Monohydrate 3000mg
Taurine 2000mg
L-Glutamine 3000mg
Alpha –Keto – Glutarate 2000mg
Mental Focus:
Caffeine Anhydrous 300mg
L-Tyrosine 1000mg
Glucuronolactone 500mg
Carnosine synthsisers:
Beta-Alanine 500mg
L-Histidine 500mg
Antioxidants / Vitamins:
Vitamin C From Ascorbic acid ( Antioxidant ) 500mg
Nicotinamide 400mg
Green Tea Extract 40% 200mg
Beta Carotene ( Antioxidant ) 500mcg
Amino Acids:
L-Methionine 2000mg **
L-Leucine 200mg *
L-Isoleucine 150mg *
L-Valine 80mg *
*Branch Chain Amino Acids ( BCAA)
** Essential Amino Acid
Electrolytic blend:
Calcium Citrate 166mg
Potassium Citrate 166mg
Tri-Sodium Citrate 200mg
Wurz
O.K I'll compare it to Reflex's Trimatrix which costs almost 50% less per serving: http://www.reflex-nutrition.com/store.php?sub=3&id=61
I believe that the doses used in Reflex's product are in line with current scientific literature.
Main active ingredients:
Tri-Matrix contains 3000mg Citrulline Malate, Red Mist contains only 1000mg
Tri-Matrix contains 5000mg Creapure, Red Mist contains unbranded (chinese?) 3000mg
Tri-Matrix contains a total of 7000mg Branch Chain Amino acids, Red Mist contains only 430mg
Tri-Matrix contains a 1600mg Beta-Alanine, Red Mist contains 500mg
The rest of the ingredients:
I'll grant you that Red Mist contains added anti-oxidants and some electrolytes along with a good dose of glutamine, but these are all cheap ingredients.
I guess the only way that companies these days can seriously compete with the likes of Reflex is to make the products yourself. I gather you have your products made for by Vydex so I can understand why its difficult to make something that's competitive when you have a middle man involved. Simple economics I guess.
Don't take it the wrong way, but I personally think that Red Mist is just another creatine pre work out product, might taste nice, but its not good value, especially when you compare it products that have been around for over a year.
I'll run for cover now. LOL.
Steve
CAn I ask do you work for Reflex ? .. As your post history and some of your comments strongly suggest you do .. if you do please come out and admit is as hiding behind alias's is not very professional
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RE: boditronics red mist - Mar. 30 2008 16:03:42
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Im only 73kg but i want to take the whole sachet. i wont be swinging off the roof shaking will i?
so its 300mg of caffeine and the free sample contains two servings-or one if you want to take ie 600mg of caffeine.
And caffeine increases your stress hormone, Cortisol, which will lower your Test/Cortisol ratio ie turn you into a girl; then you work out at 6-7pm with 600mg of caffeine-what time do you think you will go to sleep, lower GH levels, increase Cortisol , etc.
The Test/Cortisol study to be published next month-have a read.
About 7am the following day I should think. As per posts of mine I think people are over doing the stimulants more and more. 600mg is way too much. Quite what people think will happen god knows if they do - they wont suddenly out lift Terry Holland - just be wide awake for hours. 300mg is plenty and indeed I'd suggest a little less.
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RE: boditronics red mist - Mar. 30 2008 19:12:44
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ORIGINAL: Boditronics Ltd
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ORIGINAL: Steve65
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ORIGINAL: Boditronics Ltd
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ORIGINAL: Steve65
Am I missing something here, the formula looks weak as already commented, but its also very expensive for 20 servings??
Ok here are the actives please tell me please how this is weak ? what would you add ? and how would you make it more affordable
Active ingredients per 33g serving:
Cell Volumisers:
Citrulline Malate 1000mg
Creatine Monohydrate 3000mg
Taurine 2000mg
L-Glutamine 3000mg
Alpha –Keto – Glutarate 2000mg
Mental Focus:
Caffeine Anhydrous 300mg
L-Tyrosine 1000mg
Glucuronolactone 500mg
Carnosine synthsisers:
Beta-Alanine 500mg
L-Histidine 500mg
Antioxidants / Vitamins:
Vitamin C From Ascorbic acid ( Antioxidant ) 500mg
Nicotinamide 400mg
Green Tea Extract 40% 200mg
Beta Carotene ( Antioxidant ) 500mcg
Amino Acids:
L-Methionine 2000mg **
L-Leucine 200mg *
L-Isoleucine 150mg *
L-Valine 80mg *
*Branch Chain Amino Acids ( BCAA)
** Essential Amino Acid
Electrolytic blend:
Calcium Citrate 166mg
Potassium Citrate 166mg
Tri-Sodium Citrate 200mg
Wurz
O.K I'll compare it to Reflex's Trimatrix which costs almost 50% less per serving: http://www.reflex-nutrition.com/store.php?sub=3&id=61
I believe that the doses used in Reflex's product are in line with current scientific literature.
Main active ingredients:
Tri-Matrix contains 3000mg Citrulline Malate, Red Mist contains only 1000mg
Tri-Matrix contains 5000mg Creapure, Red Mist contains unbranded (chinese?) 3000mg
Tri-Matrix contains a total of 7000mg Branch Chain Amino acids, Red Mist contains only 430mg
Tri-Matrix contains a 1600mg Beta-Alanine, Red Mist contains 500mg
The rest of the ingredients:
I'll grant you that Red Mist contains added anti-oxidants and some electrolytes along with a good dose of glutamine, but these are all cheap ingredients.
I guess the only way that companies these days can seriously compete with the likes of Reflex is to make the products yourself. I gather you have your products made for by Vydex so I can understand why its difficult to make something that's competitive when you have a middle man involved. Simple economics I guess.
Don't take it the wrong way, but I personally think that Red Mist is just another creatine pre work out product, might taste nice, but its not good value, especially when you compare it products that have been around for over a year.
I'll run for cover now. LOL.
Steve
CAn I ask do you work for Reflex ? .. As your post history and some of your comments strongly suggest you do .. if you do please come out and admit is as hiding behind alias's is not very professional
Wurz
No I don't work for Reflex, but I do like Reflex and allin1 products, I think they are hard to beat.
Moderators have asked if I work at Reflex very recently, the answer is no.
..and I certainly don't think Reflex would need to hide behind and alias. 
I guess you didn't like my repsonse to Red Mist then!
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RE: boditronics red mist - Mar. 30 2008 19:29:53
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Why does a product having more in it make it better / stronger? By that I mean if it contains more of ingredient X does it become more effective? In addition a like for like comparison will also include everything else it contains.
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RE: boditronics red mist - Mar. 30 2008 19:37:27
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Why does a product having more in it make it better / stronger? By that I mean if it contains more of ingredient X does it become more effective?
depends on the ingredient in question. In the above case, 500mg of Beta-alanine will do 'diddly squat' for carnosine levels. 1.6g is also a bit low, but it's more than 3 times as much
Also, Citrulline malate. I needed 4g daily to see an 'effect'. 1g will not do much, IMO, but 3g might
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RE: boditronics red mist - Mar. 31 2008 10:53:25
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ORIGINAL: Steve65
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ORIGINAL: Boditronics Ltd
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ORIGINAL: Steve65
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ORIGINAL: Boditronics Ltd
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ORIGINAL: Steve65
Am I missing something here, the formula looks weak as already commented, but its also very expensive for 20 servings??
Ok here are the actives please tell me please how this is weak ? what would you add ? and how would you make it more affordable
Active ingredients per 33g serving:
Cell Volumisers:
Citrulline Malate 1000mg
Creatine Monohydrate 3000mg
Taurine 2000mg
L-Glutamine 3000mg
Alpha –Keto – Glutarate 2000mg
Mental Focus:
Caffeine Anhydrous 300mg
L-Tyrosine 1000mg
Glucuronolactone 500mg
Carnosine synthsisers:
Beta-Alanine 500mg
L-Histidine 500mg
Antioxidants / Vitamins:
Vitamin C From Ascorbic acid ( Antioxidant ) 500mg
Nicotinamide 400mg
Green Tea Extract 40% 200mg
Beta Carotene ( Antioxidant ) 500mcg
Amino Acids:
L-Methionine 2000mg **
L-Leucine 200mg *
L-Isoleucine 150mg *
L-Valine 80mg *
*Branch Chain Amino Acids ( BCAA)
** Essential Amino Acid
Electrolytic blend:
Calcium Citrate 166mg
Potassium Citrate 166mg
Tri-Sodium Citrate 200mg
Wurz
O.K I'll compare it to Reflex's Trimatrix which costs almost 50% less per serving: http://www.reflex-nutrition.com/store.php?sub=3&id=61
I believe that the doses used in Reflex's product are in line with current scientific literature.
Main active ingredients:
Tri-Matrix contains 3000mg Citrulline Malate, Red Mist contains only 1000mg
Tri-Matrix contains 5000mg Creapure, Red Mist contains unbranded (chinese?) 3000mg
Tri-Matrix contains a total of 7000mg Branch Chain Amino acids, Red Mist contains only 430mg
Tri-Matrix contains a 1600mg Beta-Alanine, Red Mist contains 500mg
The rest of the ingredients:
I'll grant you that Red Mist contains added anti-oxidants and some electrolytes along with a good dose of glutamine, but these are all cheap ingredients.
I guess the only way that companies these days can seriously compete with the likes of Reflex is to make the products yourself. I gather you have your products made for by Vydex so I can understand why its difficult to make something that's competitive when you have a middle man involved. Simple economics I guess.
Don't take it the wrong way, but I personally think that Red Mist is just another creatine pre work out product, might taste nice, but its not good value, especially when you compare it products that have been around for over a year.
I'll run for cover now. LOL.
Steve
CAn I ask do you work for Reflex ? .. As your post history and some of your comments strongly suggest you do .. if you do please come out and admit is as hiding behind alias's is not very professional
Wurz
No I don't work for Reflex, but I do like Reflex and allin1 products, I think they are hard to beat.
Moderators have asked if I work at Reflex very recently, the answer is no.
..and I certainly don't think Reflex would need to hide behind and alias.
I guess you didn't like my repsonse to Red Mist then!
Ok but I am still very suspocious not just about the fact that every post you have made pushes reflex products very hard but I accept you could just be a big fan but also one or two other things you say are very similar to exact statements made by a certain Reflex employee to me in an email .. suspicious but lets leave it at that
However I will answer your question .. Since when has more nessesarily been better ? a good formula is a lot more than just tons of certain things all clubbed together in a powder it is how they work together and the results that count . again Proof of the pudding is in the eating we believe enough in our formula that we are happy to give out samples for people to judge for themselves ( not every other manufacturer does this ) .. so far the vast majority of the feedback has been extremly positive to say the least .. now there will be some people who do not respond well to it as there are to all supplements of this type . Red Mist is not just about having the best high or about being able to claim the highest amounts of certain ingredients per serving it is about enhancing your workout to a level above and beyond the norm
AS far as Value is concerned , you can buy 1.2 kilo of Red mist for £49.95 ( will almost certainly be less once it gets to retailers like Discount ) this works out at about £1.25 per serving which given the results people are seeing does not seem bad value as far as we are concerned indeed this will come down even further once it is into the Channel ..
As far as " I need X Grams of X to see a result " Standalone this may be the case for you as an individual but in a high quality formula it is the sum of the parts not just x amount of 1 part that matters and the result .. If you try red mist and it does not work for you than thats fair enough but to diss a product based on a certain amount of 1 or 2 ingredients in a formula that contains over 20 is a little unfair and shows a lack of understanding on how a formula works
Hope this helps
Wurz
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RE: boditronics red mist - Mar. 31 2008 12:01:02
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talking about samples,
my mass attack havent arrived :( :(
back on topic..
does look like a solid product none the less 
Hi mate
THis is the second time is it not ? I sent them personally so I know they went .. I suspect a light fingered postie at your local depot  is there some where else we can send them that you can get them ?
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RE: boditronics red mist - Mar. 31 2008 12:03:18
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Why does a product having more in it make it better / stronger? By that I mean if it contains more of ingredient X does it become more effective?
depends on the ingredient in question. In the above case, 500mg of Beta-alanine will do 'diddly squat' for carnosine levels. 1.6g is also a bit low, but it's more than 3 times as much
Also, Citrulline malate. I needed 4g daily to see an 'effect'. 1g will not do much, IMO, but 3g might
Beta-alanine?? are you saying you need to '3 times as much' ie 1.6g x 3 =4.8g in one go ie one serving pre-workout?????
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RE: boditronics red mist - Mar. 31 2008 13:13:59
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ORIGINAL: CoNs
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ORIGINAL: Boditronics Ltd
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ORIGINAL: CoNs
talking about samples,
my mass attack havent arrived :( :(
back on topic..
does look like a solid product none the less
Hi mate
THis is the second time is it not ? I sent them personally so I know they went .. I suspect a light fingered postie at your local depot is there some where else we can send them that you can get them ?
Wurz
LOL i usually recieve all mail without a problem
could try my house maybe?
Usual mail prob does not include somthing he wants .. Iam sorry about this but send you house details and we will resend again
Wurz
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RE: boditronics red mist - Mar. 31 2008 13:44:11
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ORIGINAL: Boditronics Ltd
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ORIGINAL: Steve65
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ORIGINAL: Boditronics Ltd
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ORIGINAL: Steve65
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ORIGINAL: Boditronics Ltd
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ORIGINAL: Steve65
Am I missing something here, the formula looks weak as already commented, but its also very expensive for 20 servings??
Ok here are the actives please tell me please how this is weak ? what would you add ? and how would you make it more affordable
Active ingredients per 33g serving:
Cell Volumisers:
Citrulline Malate 1000mg
Creatine Monohydrate 3000mg
Taurine 2000mg
L-Glutamine 3000mg
Alpha –Keto – Glutarate 2000mg
Mental Focus:
Caffeine Anhydrous 300mg
L-Tyrosine 1000mg
Glucuronolactone 500mg
Carnosine synthsisers:
Beta-Alanine 500mg
L-Histidine 500mg
Antioxidants / Vitamins:
Vitamin C From Ascorbic acid ( Antioxidant ) 500mg
Nicotinamide 400mg
Green Tea Extract 40% 200mg
Beta Carotene ( Antioxidant ) 500mcg
Amino Acids:
L-Methionine 2000mg **
L-Leucine 200mg *
L-Isoleucine 150mg *
L-Valine 80mg *
*Branch Chain Amino Acids ( BCAA)
** Essential Amino Acid
Electrolytic blend:
Calcium Citrate 166mg
Potassium Citrate 166mg
Tri-Sodium Citrate 200mg
Wurz
O.K I'll compare it to Reflex's Trimatrix which costs almost 50% less per serving: http://www.reflex-nutrition.com/store.php?sub=3&id=61
I believe that the doses used in Reflex's product are in line with current scientific literature.
Main active ingredients:
Tri-Matrix contains 3000mg Citrulline Malate, Red Mist contains only 1000mg
Tri-Matrix contains 5000mg Creapure, Red Mist contains unbranded (chinese?) 3000mg
Tri-Matrix contains a total of 7000mg Branch Chain Amino acids, Red Mist contains only 430mg
Tri-Matrix contains a 1600mg Beta-Alanine, Red Mist contains 500mg
The rest of the ingredients:
I'll grant you that Red Mist contains added anti-oxidants and some electrolytes along with a good dose of glutamine, but these are all cheap ingredients.
I guess the only way that companies these days can seriously compete with the likes of Reflex is to make the products yourself. I gather you have your products made for by Vydex so I can understand why its difficult to make something that's competitive when you have a middle man involved. Simple economics I guess.
Don't take it the wrong way, but I personally think that Red Mist is just another creatine pre work out product, might taste nice, but its not good value, especially when you compare it products that have been around for over a year.
I'll run for cover now. LOL.
Steve
CAn I ask do you work for Reflex ? .. As your post history and some of your comments strongly suggest you do .. if you do please come out and admit is as hiding behind alias's is not very professional
Wurz
No I don't work for Reflex, but I do like Reflex and allin1 products, I think they are hard to beat.
Moderators have asked if I work at Reflex very recently, the answer is no.
..and I certainly don't think Reflex would need to hide behind and alias.
I guess you didn't like my repsonse to Red Mist then!
Ok but I am still very suspocious not just about the fact that every post you have made pushes reflex products very hard but I accept you could just be a big fan but also one or two other things you say are very similar to exact statements made by a certain Reflex employee to me in an email .. suspicious but lets leave it at that
However I will answer your question .. Since when has more nessesarily been better ? a good formula is a lot more than just tons of certain things all clubbed together in a powder it is how they work together and the results that count . again Proof of the pudding is in the eating we believe enough in our formula that we are happy to give out samples for people to judge for themselves ( not every other manufacturer does this ) .. so far the vast majority of the feedback has been extremly positive to say the least .. now there will be some people who do not respond well to it as there are to all supplements of this type . Red Mist is not just about having the best high or about being able to claim the highest amounts of certain ingredients per serving it is about enhancing your workout to a level above and beyond the norm
AS far as Value is concerned , you can buy 1.2 kilo of Red mist for £49.95 ( will almost certainly be less once it gets to retailers like Discount ) this works out at about £1.25 per serving which given the results people are seeing does not seem bad value as far as we are concerned indeed this will come down even further once it is into the Channel ..
As far as " I need X Grams of X to see a result " Standalone this may be the case for you as an individual but in a high quality formula it is the sum of the parts not just x amount of 1 part that matters and the result .. If you try red mist and it does not work for you than thats fair enough but to diss a product based on a certain amount of 1 or 2 ingredients in a formula that contains over 20 is a little unfair and shows a lack of understanding on how a formula works
Hope this helps
Wurz
How effective do you think the product would be without the 300mg of caffeine?
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