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rep ranges - Apr. 10 2008 20:13:26
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tristram
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do the different rep ranges really make a great difference to building muscle?
youve got
3x8
4x6
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3x3
5x5
drop sets
maxs of 12 reps
minimums of 6 reps
i found personally i get stronger quicker with 5x5 than i do on the usual 6 and 8 schemes. but is it really effecting my building potential? people say you have to do 8-12 reps if you wanna grow, how true is this?
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RE: rep ranges - Apr. 10 2008 20:42:55
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yeah they all do there diff thing, personally i like to mix it up, but i stay away from 3 x 3's and generally stick with 4 x 8 and 5 x 5
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RE: rep ranges - Apr. 11 2008 0:13:40
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It's difficult to compare rep ranges there are a number of questions that spring to mind such as....
How does 8x3 differ to 3x8 ? with 8x3 you lift heavier weight but with 3x8 the sets last longer you stimulate more growth hormone and you improve your anaerobic fitness ?
what's the difference between 3x8 once a week and 1x8 three times a week for one exercise ?
Also you need to consider overall volume, frequency rest times etc...
The Set Rep Bible is a good read
A good idea is to experiment with different rep ranges for different muscle groups or workouts.
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RE: rep ranges - Apr. 11 2008 10:04:15
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It's difficult to compare rep ranges there are a number of questions that spring to mind such as....
How does 8x3 differ to 3x8 ? with 8x3 you lift heavier weight but with 3x8 the sets last longer you stimulate more growth hormone and you improve your anaerobic fitness ?
what's the difference between 3x8 once a week and 1x8 three times a week for one exercise ?
Also you need to consider overall volume, frequency rest times etc...
The Set Rep Bible is a good read
A good idea is to experiment with different rep ranges for different muscle groups or workouts.
why does it release more GH ??? its the same TUT and 8x3 uses more weight.
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RE: rep ranges - Apr. 11 2008 11:29:44
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i used to stick to 3x6 and it worked great for me...plenty of size and growth
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RE: rep ranges - Apr. 11 2008 15:58:38
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if it's working don't change
generally med range is more suited for size purposes
however far too often bb get distracted by the pump
some just grow better on low reps
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RE: rep ranges - Apr. 11 2008 16:12:10
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imo
1-6 rep range will work on building strength
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6 - 12 will help build muscle mass
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12 + is for endurance
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RE: rep ranges - Apr. 11 2008 17:49:51
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if it's working don't change
generally med range is more suited for size purposes
however far too often bb get distracted by the pump
some just grow better on low reps
hard to say if its working in short time frames though 
i much prefer 5x5 because i can shift a heavy weight in good form and feel decently like ive done something.
i dont care about the pump.
edit: not 5x5 for all exercises, others i like 4x8. but for bench squat and deadlift, 5x5 seems better.
or more fun at least.
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RE: rep ranges - Apr. 11 2008 18:25:57
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imo
1-6 rep range will work on building strength
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6 - 12 will help build muscle mass
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12 + is for endurance
This is a very simplified version and in reality there is significant crossover between the rep ranges. I'll post a picture up shortly that shows the different types of hypertrophy and how the body reacts to a wide variety of rep ranges.
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RE: rep ranges - Apr. 11 2008 18:41:31
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so anywhere between 5 and 8 reps a set looks to be a good mix of strength and hypertrophy.
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RE: rep ranges - Apr. 11 2008 19:20:22
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What does Myofibrillar and Sarcoplasmic mean?
Our bones become denser through wieght lifting? Can someone explain this?
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RE: rep ranges - Apr. 11 2008 20:33:45
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What does Myofibrillar and Sarcoplasmic mean?
Our bones become denser through wieght lifting? Can someone explain this?
yes good question, i wanna know too
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RE: rep ranges - Apr. 12 2008 0:56:04
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why does it release more GH ??? its the same TUT and 8x3 uses more weight.
I'm not sure but heard it mentioned several times. It's the same time under tension overall but I'm sure there's something about longer duration sets that effects hormone levels.
Maybe someone can help me out on this one ?
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RE: rep ranges - Apr. 12 2008 1:06:23
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I do low, med and high reps via reverse pyramiding on most things. Although there is truth that a set at 8 reps may induce better hypertrophy than a set of 3 reps, IMO increasing strength over time will lead to greater gains than sticking to 8-10 reps all the time and not advancing much in strength increases. Plateaus and lack of strength progression are common when doing 8-10 reps solely.
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RE: rep ranges - Apr. 12 2008 11:41:49
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I do low, med and high reps via reverse pyramiding on most things. Although there is truth that a set at 8 reps may induce better hypertrophy than a set of 3 reps, IMO increasing strength over time will lead to greater gains than sticking to 8-10 reps all the time and not advancing much in strength increases. Plateaus and lack of strength progression are common when doing 8-10 reps solely.
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Yeah i do my rep ranges from like 3 - 14 or so to make sure i get strength and mass done in 1 session.
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RE: rep ranges - Apr. 14 2008 16:27:38
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What does Myofibrillar and Sarcoplasmic mean?
Our bones become denser through wieght lifting? Can someone explain this?
yes good question, i wanna know too
because your bones are a living organism,and if you put 200k on your back then like muscles they must grow to take it.
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RE: rep ranges - Apr. 14 2008 18:19:32
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What does Myofibrillar and Sarcoplasmic mean?
Our bones become denser through wieght lifting? Can someone explain this?
yes good question, i wanna know too
because your bones are a living organism,and if you put 200k on your back then like muscles they must grow to take it.
So do your bones actualy get bigger or stay the same size and become more dense? If they get bigger is this just width wise or length aswell (would forearm bones actualy get wider and longer?)
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RE: rep ranges - Apr. 14 2008 19:21:20
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The experts speak on strength training and bone density:
Without resistance exercises to strengthen muscles and bones, most people face a midlife slide into flabbiness and its associated ills. And as we age, strength training becomes even more important to offset age-related declines in muscle and bone mass that can lead to frailty and fracture— the primary reason older adults wind up in nursing homes.
Healing Moves by Carol Krucoff and Mitchell Krucoff MD, page 144
Osteoporosis. Bone-thinning osteoporosis can lead to fractures, especially hip fractures, a major medical problem for the elderly. One way to maintain strong, healthy bones is to get plenty of calcium. Certain kinds of exercise, including strength training, also help keep bones healthy. In addition, weight training helps prevent fractures by strengthening the leg muscles, contributing to improved balance and decreasing the likelihood of falls, the cause of most fractures in the elderly.
Natures Cures by Michael Castleman, page 452
Because nine out of 10 hip fractures result from falls, engaging in activities that increase strength and balance helps decrease the risk. strength training is one of the best ways to increase bone density in the spine naturally and prevent falls.
Overdosed America by John Abramson MD, page 219
Postmenopausal women are at the greatest risk for brittle bones
Men also can have brittle bones, but women — especially thin women who are past menopause — are at greater risk. If you're thin, you have less weight bearing down on your bones during normal activity, and that means your bones will weaken faster. It's particularly important for you to start a regular program of weight-bearing exercises such as walking, jogging, or strength training. Studies have found gardening is also good at pumping up your bones so if you enjoy that activity, keep it up. The fresh air and sunshine are an added bonus.
Eat and Heal by the Editors of FC&A Medical Publishing, page 278
Calcium suplements are not enough
Simply increasing your calcium intake doesn't guarantee that the calcium is going to get into your bones. To properly absorb calcium the body needs other nutrients as well—magnesium, for one, and other vitamins. Exercise, particularly weight training, helps the bone retain its calcium. "Without consideration of these effects," says the nutritional biochemist Dr. Neil S. Orenstein of Lenox, Massachusetts, "no amount of calcium supplementation will prevent osteoporosis."
Longevity by Kathy Keeton, page 120
Numerous studies demonstrate strength training's ability to increase bone mass, especially spinal bone mass
There's even some evidence that increasing muscle mass can increase bone mass. When researchers at McMaster University in Ontario put a group of postmenopausal women on a year-long program of anaerobic strength training, not only did their muscle size increase by 20 percent, but their spinal bone mass rose by 9 percent. It's possible, then, that strength training might help ward off osteoporosis.
Longevity by Kathy Keeton, page 160
In a recent study on bone density and exercise, older women who did high-intensity weight training two days per week for a year were able to increase their bone density by 1.0 percent, while a control group of women who did not exercise had a bone density decrease of 1.8 to 2.5 percent. The women who exercised also had improved muscle strength and better balance, while both decreased in the nonexercising control group.
Prescription Alternatives by Earl Mindell RPh PhD and Virginia Hopkins MA, page 20
We know that weight lifters have much denser bones in their back and legs than do runners, for example. Studies do show that walking prevents bone loss in the spine, but strength training has been proved to build bone mass in the spine and hip. One study that (deservedly) got a lot of media attention followed a group of postmenopausal women who were generally healthy—but sedentary. None were taking HRT, or any other bone-related medicines, or taking calcium supplements. Half performed a simple weight-lifting routine twice a week, while the other half stuck with their couch potato ways. After one year, the weight lifters built their bone mass 1 percent on average, at both the hip and spine. That compares favorably to what you'd see with HRT alone. To give you perspective, consider this: the women who did not lift weights lost up to 2.5 percent of their bone mass over the same time period— and also lost muscle mass and gained body fat and weight. The weight lifters became much more active in general (as the researchers calculated it, a 27 percent increase), while the sedentary group became less active. The weight lifters lowered their body fat, gained muscle, and had better balance and more strength. And here's a wonderful bonus: the researchers had the daughters of the women who lifted weights come in and do the tests their mothers were acing. In every case, the weight-lifting women outperformed their own daughters!
The Bone Density Program George Kessler DO PC, page 279 and 280
A Journal of the American Medical Association article reported a Tufts University study in which forty postmenopausal women. 50 to 70 years of age, were tested and measured by their participation in different levels of exercise. The conclusion of this study was that high intensity strength training exercises are an important, effective and feasible means to preserve bone density. In other words, exercise prevented the onset of osteoporosis.
Milk The Deadly Poison by Robert Cohen, page 268
Still, we were confident that Ramona could do even better, so we told her to work harder and to try some strength training as well. When Ramona came back to see us one year later, her bone density was 10 percent higher. And she had become a fanatic about strength training, working out four times a week.
Ultraprevention by Mark Hyman MD and Mark Liponis MD, page 102
Strength training does not mean that you have to train for the Olympics or tediously do the same exercise over and over: A wide variety of weight-bearing exercises yields bone-building results
Physical impact and weight-bearing exercise stimulates bone formation. Just as a muscle gets stronger and bigger the more you use it, a bone becomes stronger and denser when you regularly place demands upon it. The best bone builders are exercises that put force on the bone, such as weight-bearing activities like running and resistance exercises like strength training. In general, the greater the impact involved in an activity, the more it strengthens the bones. That's why the bones in the racket arms of tennis players are denser than the bones in their nondominant arms. When muscles and gravity aren't pulling on the bone, humans can lose bone mass rapidly. This is dramatically illustrated when people are forced by injury or ill health to undergo complete bed rest and, as a result, lose about 1 percent of their bone mass per week. This is similar to the devastating effects on bone mass seen in young, healthy male astronauts in outer space, due to the loss of gravity.
Healing Moves by Carol Krucoff and Mitchell Krucoff MD, page 144
Exercise for Skeletal Health. Weight-bearing exercises are very important to help avoid osteoporosis. Weight lifting, including curls and bench presses, is a beneficial activity. Women should not resist going to gyms as they age. But even if you don't go to a gym, you can still profit from taking a little one-pound weight and curling it throughout the day. In fact, you can take a five-minute break every hour to do exercises. Dancing, stair-climbing, and brisk walking are all weight-bearing exercises, which promote mechanical stress in the skeletal system, contributing to the placement of calcium in the bones. Aerobic exercises such as biking, rowing, and swimming do not strengthen the bones.
Power Aging by Gary Null, page 363
Not only is weight training safe, it is important for preventing osteoporosis. As muscles are pulled directly against the bone, with gravity working against it, calcium is driven back into the bones. It also stimulates the manufacture of new bone. This adds up to a decrease in the effects of osteoporosis by 50—80 percent. Women need to do weight training two to three times per week for fifteen to thirty minutes. All the different muscle groups should be worked on. Twenty-four hours should lapse between sessions to rest muscles. For best results, an exercise program should be started long before the onset of menopause.
Womans Encyclopedia Of Natural Healing by Dr Gary Null, page 277
Walking may be the best all-around exercise, but as far as bone building goes, strength training is the cream of the crop. The pull of muscle against bone stresses a bone, and that kind of stress is what makes a bone become stronger. Impact also strengthens a bone, but the impact that comes from running or jumping, say, can be otherwise harmful to the body. Muscle working against gravity provides another kind of impact for the bones, stimulating bone formation and slowing loss. Strength training with free weights (including light hand and ankle weights) or weight machines is the most direct way to provide that stress and impact of muscle on bone, which is what makes it ideal for building and preserving bone density.
The Bone Density Program George Kessler DO PC, page 279
Since stronger muscles do a better job of holding joints in their proper places, resistance training can lessen the joint wear and tear associated with osteoarthritis, the type of arthritis that most often afflicts older adults. What's more, studies find, weight training can strengthen your bones, offering added insurance against osteoporosis. That's because your bones and muscles are intimately connected. When you work your muscles against resistance, they pull on the bones they're attached to. In medical lingo, your muscles exert stress on your bones, and your bones, under stress, respond by laying down more calcium to reinforce themselves, explains Dr. Ades.
Healing with motion by the editors of-Prevention health books, page 332
Not only is weight training safe, it is important for preventing osteoporosis. As muscles are pulled directly against the bone, with gravity working against it, calcium is driven back into the bones. It also stimulates the manufacture of new bone. This adds up to a decrease in the effects of osteoporosis by 50 to 80 percent. People need to do weight training two to three times per week...
Get Healthy Now by Gary Null, page 15
Do strength-building exercises, such as weight lifting, three times a week for at least ten minutes. This is particularly important for women, since it helps maintain bone density.
The Real Age Diet by Michael F Roizen MD and John La Puma MD, page 39
Strength training is also one of the proven ways to reduce the risks associated with osteoporosis, because strong muscles can support the bones more effectively. Strength training also slows the aging process, improves posture and balance, and increases energy, strength, and stamina.
Active Wellness By Gayle Reichler MS RD CDN, page 151
Almost any type of vigorous exercise will maintain or build bone. Dr. Lee recommends walking, biking, tennis, or weight lifting.
Alternative Cures by Bill Gottlieb, page 473
The physical stresses to which bones are subjected during exercise stimulate new bone growth. Get at least 30 minutes of walking, weight lifting or another weight-bearing exercise, three times a week.
Bottom Line Yearbook 2002 by Bottom Line Personnel, page 18
Exercises that put stress on your bones, such as jogging and weight training (even light weights), will also strengthen your bones, whereas exercises that do not stress your bones, such as swimming, will not improve bone strength.
Complementary Cancer Therapies by Dan Labriola ND, page 198
For best results, women should start strength training long before menopause; however, women can experience the benefits at any age.
Extensive research has shown that muscles and bones will get stronger in response to strength training regardless of your age. Some health experts call strength training "the closest we've come to a fountain of youth."
Healing Moves by Carol Krucoff and Mitchell Krucoff MD, page 144
Aerobic exercise has long been touted as a way to prevent or slow bone loss, but researchers increasingly emphasize the benefits of strength training, such as weight lifting, to prevent bone loss at any age. A 1994 study published in the Journal of the American Medical Association revealed that women as old as 70 who lifted weights twice a week for a year avoided the expected loss of bone and even increased their bone density slightly.
Permanent Remissions by Robert Haas MS, page 205
One study of people in their 80s and 90s living in nursing homes who exercised with weight machines three times a week for just eight weeks showed improvements in strength, balance, and walking speed. Even people who are already frail can, with proper exercise using light weights, build up enough leg strength to walk without a cane. I've no doubt of the bone benefits that went along with these results, even though they weren't tracked by the researchers.
The Bone Density Program George Kessler DO PC, page 281
Strengthening exercises such as weight training are as important as calcium for strong bones, and they can be started at any age. Even someone age 80 or older can be helped by weight training or isometrics—a form of exercise that involves contracting and releasing specific muscles. Your hospital, community recreation center, or senior center is likely to have more information on this exercise technique.
The Herbal Drugstore by Linda B White MD, page 442
The more bone you build early in life, the better you will be able to withstand the bone loss that starts to occur by about age 35. Years later, the loss of bone mass can result in the debilitating disease called osteoporosis. To develop bone mass, you need to make weight-bearing exercise part of your daily life—with activities like walking, running, and weight lifting.
Wellness Self-Care Handbook by John Edward Swartzberg MD FACP and Sheldon Margen MD, page 41
Weight lifting is not just for the young. Gerontologists and others who study aging now know that muscles built when you are 40, 50 and 60 can help more than just your self-esteem. Developed leg, trunk and arm muscles help protect older bodies from injuries related to frailty. These muscles help keep bones, which peak in density between ages 21 and 30, stronger longer.
Uncommon Cures for Everyday Ailments by the editors of Bottom Line Health, page 112
As with every other strategy in this book, it is never too late to benefit from strength training. You know you should be getting 30 minutes of weight-bearing aerobic exercise three times a week. Strength training is a valuable addition because we know it builds bone more directly and efficiently than any other kind of exercise you can do.
The Bone Density Program George Kessler DO PC, page 293
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