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RE: Timings - Overrated or Underrated? - Apr. 19 2008 19:09:42
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days without food would be a little more problematic
In terms of going catabolic? Of for hormonal reasons?
Or is it simply more problamatic due to the mental issues it would cause?
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RE: Timings - Overrated or Underrated? - Apr. 19 2008 19:13:01
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I don't know. But I know a man who probably does! Have you registered with Lyle's forums?
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RE: Timings - Overrated or Underrated? - Apr. 19 2008 19:13:50
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What I am getting at is my father doesn't eat all day and then has a huge meal at night and then goes to bed (does this because he loves supper and doesn't want to eat too many calories a day). Is this fine as the food at night will be burning until the next day's big meal or is breakfast important? What your dad is doing isn't a problem if it results in him being a reasonable weight & body composition.
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RE: Timings - Overrated or Underrated? - Apr. 19 2008 19:18:27
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so breakfast isn't that vital?
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RE: Timings - Overrated or Underrated? - Apr. 19 2008 19:51:31
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Would the end product in terms of bodyweight/performance be any different than following the traditional protocol of eating small and frequently every 2-3 hours?
as long as glycogen stores are kept topped up throughout i suspect it wouldn't effect performance too much
of course there's the psycholoigcal aspect of it
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so breakfast isn't that vital?
if its working...
it's spouted that those regularly eating a breakfast are less likely to be overweight
i suspect it's because they are more likely to be better 'educated' about nutrition, and are more likely to watch what they eat
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RE: Timings - Overrated or Underrated? - Apr. 19 2008 19:54:17
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so breakfast isn't that vital? For people who can maintain a reasonable weight & body comp without it, no. For me, yes.
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RE: Timings - Overrated or Underrated? - Apr. 19 2008 21:01:43
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If you dont believe it then why bother posting it???
I think i have explained this.
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You have also stated in the past you have gone 6 days without food??
Correct?
Yes.
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You ask for facts and then dismiss it.
Im not dismissing anything.
Another useful post.
Well as you seem to have gone without food for 6 days,you should know the effects of what it does and be able to answer your own question,and i will say it again your question was stupid no matter if you were being realistic or not.
And another useful post.
If you go through the thread you will see i have bought more to the debate in discussing matters that are actually possible,you have been told that your question is stupid by other members but continue to debate,i gave you an answer and you still reply stupidly.
Now just stop replying if you have nothing worthwhile to say. 
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RE: Timings - Overrated or Underrated? - Apr. 21 2008 8:37:51
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Would the end product in terms of bodyweight/performance be any different than following the traditional protocol of eating small and frequently every 2-3 hours
if the total cals are the same,there should be no difference re read the studies i posted,wether your on a cut or bulk its cals in versus cals out.
this thread has gone a bit ott,if you eat two meals a day rather than six,there is no difference because you will still have protein/carbs/fats/ in your system,if your talking about going without food for 40hrs or 6 days you most likely wont.
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RE: Timings - Overrated or Underrated? - Apr. 22 2008 15:00:20
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if you ate 500g of carbs at breakfast and no more throughout the day, all you'd have done is converted the overspill into fat
why is that?
IMO if you eat 500gr of carbs in one sitting at breakfast when your glycogen stores are relatively low after a night's sleep, none or almost none of those carbs would convert to fat as they would be digested over a long period of hours hence providing a slow release of glucose into the blood and into the stores
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RE: Timings - Overrated or Underrated? - Apr. 22 2008 15:15:26
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your glycogen stores are relatively low after a night's sleep
Are glycogen stores low after sleep? I see no reason why they should be particulary perturbed but do not know any data either way?
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RE: Timings - Overrated or Underrated? - Apr. 22 2008 15:36:11
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No they are not.
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RE: Timings - Overrated or Underrated? - Apr. 22 2008 15:40:02
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if you ate 500g of carbs at breakfast and no more throughout the day, all you'd have done is converted the overspill into fat
not true
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your glycogen stores are relatively low after a night's sleep
plenty of liver glycogen after an overnight fast
only liver glycogen is depleted
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RE: Timings - Overrated or Underrated? - Apr. 22 2008 20:32:44
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your glycogen stores are relatively low after a night's sleep
Are glycogen stores low after sleep? I see no reason why they should be particulary perturbed but do not know any data either way?
would've thought fasting for 7-8 hours would deplete them quite a bit but apparently not
would also depend on the pre bed meal imo
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RE: Timings - Overrated or Underrated? - Apr. 22 2008 20:34:41
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if you ate 500g of carbs at breakfast and no more throughout the day, all you'd have done is converted the overspill into fat
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your glycogen stores are relatively low after a night's sleep
plenty of liver glycogen after an overnight fast
only liver glycogen is depleted
suppose you mean only muscle glycogen is depleted
quickie for you.. when muscle glycogen is empty does the glycogen in the liver gets transported to the muscle glycogen stores as some sort of back up?
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RE: Timings - Overrated or Underrated? - Apr. 23 2008 8:24:00
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Even though your glycogen levels wouldn't be completely depleted it would be lower than other time of day surely.
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RE: Timings - Overrated or Underrated? - Apr. 23 2008 9:59:55
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quickie for you.. when muscle glycogen is empty does the glycogen in the liver gets transported to the muscle glycogen stores as some sort of back up?
Not as such
if youre empty on muscle glycogen youre likely to hit ketosis.
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Even though your glycogen levels wouldn't be completely depleted it would be lower than other time of day surely.
Depends on what your diet is like really. No one is ever that low unless their output is sky high and carbs are rather low
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RE: Timings - Overrated or Underrated? - Apr. 23 2008 12:09:34
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After 11 pages, Integra's initial query got a bit lost in the noise. To conclude:-
Given adequate protein, EFAs & pre-workout fuelling, meal frequency makes no difference whatsoever to weight, body composition or metabolic rate.
Meal frequency only affects discomfort when bulking and appetite when cutting.
Our bodies can store proteins & fats in the stomach, fats in fat cells & IntraMuscularTriGlyceride stores and carbs in liver & muscle glycogen stores.
Extreme P/C/F splits (e.g. 10/80/10) and meal frequencies (e.g. one meal a week) are not relevant to this discussion.
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RE: Timings - Overrated or Underrated? - Apr. 23 2008 14:13:10
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Cheers for that 
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RE: Timings - Overrated or Underrated? - Apr. 24 2008 13:45:26
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Would you be happy to prep someone for a comp on 1-2 meals a day?
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RE: Timings - Overrated or Underrated? - Apr. 24 2008 14:28:43
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I think they would go insane with hunger, unless of course theyre body was used to 2 meals a day. Hunger i assume would slowly subside once the body/hormones adapted to this.
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