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Timings - Overrated or Underrated? - Apr. 11 2008 10:54:22
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Not including pre and post workout nutrition, are meal timings overrated or underrated?
e.g. Two identical twins follow the same routine.
Jim follows the sample diet seen in one of the articles:
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Time Food Protein
Wake 7:30 am
7:30 1 scoop whey protein 20g
8:00 breakfast large bowl wholewheat breakfast cereal with 1/3 pint skimmed milk + sugar 15g
2 slices wholemeal bread toasted + olive oil spread 22g
½ portion weight gain drink with water and multidextrose powder
100ml orange juice + 1 tblsp olive oil
10:30 sandwich (wholemeal bread + olive oil spread + filling) 25g
fruit
12:30 tuna (95g) + 1 tblsp natural yoghurt 27g
½ small chicken breast (60g) 18g
4 slices wholemeal bread + olive oil spread
salad
low fat yoghurt 7g
15:00 sandwich (wholemeal bread + olive oil spread + filling) 25g
drink of skimmed milk - 1/3 pint 7g
fruit
17:00 ½ portion weight gain drink with skimmed milk and multidextrose powder 27g
TRAIN
18:30
(after training) 2 scoops whey protein 40g
19:30 mackerel (95g) 20g
½ small chicken breast (60g) 18g
either 2 medium jacket potatoes
or 200g boiled brown rice
or 350g boiled wholewheat pasta
vegetables
low fat yoghurt 7g
22:00 large bowl wholewheat breakfast cereal with 1/3 pint skimmed milk + sugar 15g
23:30 1 scoop whey protein in skimmed milk 25g
Jack eats/drinks the exact same amounts but at different times of the day:
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Wake 7:30 am
7:30 1 scoop whey protein 20g
8:00 breakfast large bowl wholewheat breakfast cereal with 1/3 pint skimmed milk + sugar 15g
2 slices wholemeal bread toasted + olive oil spread 22g
½ portion weight gain drink with water and multidextrose powder
100ml orange juice + 1 tblsp olive oil
sandwich (wholemeal bread + olive oil spread + filling) 25g
fruit
1500 tuna (95g) + 1 tblsp natural yoghurt 27g
½ small chicken breast (60g) 18g
4 slices wholemeal bread + olive oil spread
salad
low fat yoghurt 7g
sandwich (wholemeal bread + olive oil spread + filling) 25g
drink of skimmed milk - 1/3 pint 7g
fruit
17:00 ½ portion weight gain drink with skimmed milk and multidextrose powder 27g
TRAIN
18:30
(after training) 2 scoops whey protein 40g
19:30 mackerel (95g) 20g
½ small chicken breast (60g) 18g
either 2 medium jacket potatoes
or 200g boiled brown rice
or 350g boiled wholewheat pasta
vegetables
low fat yoghurt 7g
large bowl wholewheat breakfast cereal with 1/3 pint skimmed milk + sugar 15g
23:30 1 scoop whey protein in skimmed milk 25g
Would Jim see better results than Jack if both are eating the same amounts and following the same training/resting patterns?
If yes, why?
If no, why not?
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RE: Timings - Overrated or Underrated? - Apr. 11 2008 10:57:02
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In theory and it works for myself...
The more often I eat the faster my motabolism seems to work...
Also I believe the second guy's meals are too big for 1 sitting..
That's why I prefer the first diet timings 
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RE: Timings - Overrated or Underrated? - Apr. 11 2008 11:00:16
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there are people will say it doesnt matter, but look at there bodys, are they to be desired?
I find that it works for me having tried both ways. you can feel when your body is ready for some more food i start to feel really drained if i go upto 4 hour without food
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RE: Timings - Overrated or Underrated? - Apr. 11 2008 11:02:56
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As per Mick, again.
Metabolic stimulation. Also regular feeding helps keep you in an anabolic environment rather than dipping in and out. Also the age old debate of how much we can digest/absorb as it's original macro before it starts to be stored as fat.
I would be physically sick eating 1 r 2 of the 2nd meals, so obviously that's a part too
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RE: Timings - Overrated or Underrated? - Apr. 11 2008 11:02:57
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Why are they too big for one sitting? I remember Serge Nubret saying he only ate a couple of times per day (even though it was a couple of kg of horse meat at times) and it didnt do too badly for him.
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RE: Timings - Overrated or Underrated? - Apr. 11 2008 11:04:45
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Why are they too big for one sitting? I remember Serge Nubret saying he only ate a couple of times per day (even though it was a couple of kg of horse meat at times) and it didnt do too badly for him.
Re-read my post mate...
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In theory and it works for myself...
Can't comment on Serge..
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RE: Timings - Overrated or Underrated? - Apr. 11 2008 11:06:00
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As per Mick, again.
Metabolic stimulation. Also regular feeding helps keep you in an anabolic environment rather than dipping in and out. Also the age old debate of how much we can digest/absorb as it's original macro before it starts to be stored as fat.
I would be physically sick eating 1 r 2 of the 2nd meals, so obviously that's a part too
How long does it take until the body dips in and out of an anabolic environment after consuming the 0800 meal and would it be such that the 2nd person would see poorer results by not eating as regularly in a 7 hour period but still consuming the same amount of foods/drink?
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RE: Timings - Overrated or Underrated? - Apr. 11 2008 11:07:16
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What's your angle on this Integra??
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RE: Timings - Overrated or Underrated? - Apr. 11 2008 11:07:47
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Why are they too big for one sitting? I remember Serge Nubret saying he only ate a couple of times per day (even though it was a couple of kg of horse meat at times) and it didnt do too badly for him.
Re-read my post mate...
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In theory and it works for myself...
Can't comment on Serge..
I have took your advice and re-read your post.
You also said that you believed the 2nd guys meals are too big for one sitting.
Too big for yourself or too big for anyone?
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RE: Timings - Overrated or Underrated? - Apr. 11 2008 11:08:04
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i think it differs from person to person integra, i feel like im a food digesting machine! and after 3 hours i need a feed otherwise my stomach feels like its eating its self
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RE: Timings - Overrated or Underrated? - Apr. 11 2008 11:09:39
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I have took your advice and re-read your post.
You also said that you believed the 2nd guys meals are too big for one sitting.
Too big for yourself or too big for anyone?
Too big for myself mate
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RE: Timings - Overrated or Underrated? - Apr. 11 2008 11:11:17
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What's your angle on this Integra??
No angle really Mick. I am opening up a debate on whether meal timings - specifically the 'eat small amounts often' theory - are as important as suggested and the difference between results based on eating the same amounts but at different times of the day.
I am sure there are a lot of people who do not have the time to eat every couple of hours every day of the week.
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RE: Timings - Overrated or Underrated? - Apr. 11 2008 11:15:40
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Where weight is concerned, it's Calories that count, so meal timings make no difference. Where anything else is concerned, meal timings can make a difference.
When cutting, regular meals maintain a more steady blood glucose level which minimises hunger pangs, making it easier to not over-eat. However, everybody is different and some people do just fine using Intermittent Fasting (1 or 2 meals a day).
When doing resistance training with weights, carbs must be eaten beforehand to ensure sufficient muscle glycogen to fuel the exercise.
When bulking, it's easier to stomach large amounts of food if it's split into a larger number of smaller meals. However, everybody is different which is why Serge Nubret can eat huge amounts of food with no problems.
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RE: Timings - Overrated or Underrated? - Apr. 11 2008 11:17:25
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Thanks for the reply...
TBH from what I have discovered (for myself)
I cannot sit and eat very large vloumes of food in one sittings...
But can happily do this over every 2 / 3 hours...
Also I find eating this way I don't get bloated and I'm always
ready (hungry) for my next meal...
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RE: Timings - Overrated or Underrated? - Apr. 11 2008 11:18:50
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quote:
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As per Mick, again.
Metabolic stimulation. Also regular feeding helps keep you in an anabolic environment rather than dipping in and out. Also the age old debate of how much we can digest/absorb as it's original macro before it starts to be stored as fat.
I would be physically sick eating 1 r 2 of the 2nd meals, so obviously that's a part too
How long does it take until the body dips in and out of an anabolic environment after consuming the 0800 meal and would it be such that the 2nd person would see poorer results by not eating as regularly in a 7 hour period but still consuming the same amount of foods/drink?
I don't know the finer details so cannot really present any arguement of strength but they are certainly issues needing consideration IMO and I try and ensure all bases are covered. I could not eat my daily intake in 3 meals but then that is an extreme end to compare. I have tried it over more meals eating every 2 hours but smaller and found it a hassle whereas now I go 2.5-3 hours and am fine with that, only smaller snacks have a 2 hour gap before I get hungry. At weekends I go 3 hours, sometimes a little longer to no noticable detriment but then my intake is smaller as I do not train then.
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RE: Timings - Overrated or Underrated? - Apr. 11 2008 11:20:26
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Where weight is concerned, it's Calories that count, so meal timings make no difference. Where anything else is concerned, meal timings can make a difference.
When cutting, regular meals maintain a more steady blood glucose level which minimises hunger pangs, making it easier to not over-eat. However, everybody is different and some people do just fine using Intermittent Fasting (1 or 2 meals a day).
When doing resistance training with weights, carbs must be eaten beforehand to ensure sufficient muscle glycogen to fuel the exercise.
When bulking, it's easier to stomach large amounts of food if it's split into a larger number of smaller meals. However, everybody is different which is why Serge Nubret can eat huge amounts of food with no problems.
Just so I can understand this Nige...
So If I consumed a 2500 cals over 1 or 2 meals ED
versus the same amount of cals over 5 or 6 meals there
would be no difference in weight gain / weight loss etc..??
I find this very hard to believe TBH 
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RE: Timings - Overrated or Underrated? - Apr. 11 2008 11:22:14
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Assuming both twins are trying to gain quality weight, the timings are usually more for convenience rather than any real physical benefits?
The above example in another form - i.e. One person eating 1kg of beef +1kg pasta/veg in one sitting as opposed to 250g beef x4 + 250g pasta/veg x4 every couple of hours - would make no real difference to the end results? Apart from being some kind of inhuman eating machine.
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RE: Timings - Overrated or Underrated? - Apr. 11 2008 11:23:55
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I don't think you could process / utilise 1 KG of beef in one sitting though mate...
where as 250grms of beef x 4 sittings you could
That's my theory anyways 
Good idea for a topic BTW
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RE: Timings - Overrated or Underrated? - Apr. 11 2008 11:25:02
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Where weight is concerned, it's Calories that count, so meal timings make no difference. Where anything else is concerned, meal timings can make a difference.
When cutting, regular meals maintain a more steady blood glucose level which minimises hunger pangs, making it easier to not over-eat. However, everybody is different and some people do just fine using Intermittent Fasting (1 or 2 meals a day).
When doing resistance training with weights, carbs must be eaten beforehand to ensure sufficient muscle glycogen to fuel the exercise.
When bulking, it's easier to stomach large amounts of food if it's split into a larger number of smaller meals. However, everybody is different which is why Serge Nubret can eat huge amounts of food with no problems.
Just so I can understand this Nige...
So If I consumed a 2500 cals over 1 or 2 meals ED
versus the same amount of cals over 5 or 6 meals there
would be no difference in weight gain / weight loss etc..??
I find this very hard to believe TBH
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bulking, it's easier
Its correct mick but the lean tisue vs fat would be very different, but just the weight loss gain would be the same
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RE: Timings - Overrated or Underrated? - Apr. 11 2008 11:26:48
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but there would be a difference if, from nothing else, there would be an effect on their metabolisms which would surely present different results, no?
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