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theiopener -> RE: The way of the firestorm... (Heavy supplementation cutting cycle) (Apr. 19 2008 20:10:54)
Good news on the progress Tom, keep it up dude [:)]

firest0rm -> RE: The way of the firestorm... (Heavy supplementation cutting cycle) (Apr. 19 2008 21:57:52)
Thank you :) I'm really happy, and the amazing thing is with the diet you did for me I'm pretty much stuffed throughout the day, in fact I had to compromise on the 4th and 5th meal and have half and half of one meal. My immediate family are amazed at the amount of food I'm eating and the fact I'm losing weight, they're actually jealous lol.

Celt -> RE: The way of the firestorm... (Heavy supplementation cutting cycle) (Apr. 21 2008 12:03:59)
Gotta ask the question mate, with your diet now sorted is there an argument for saving the supps (bar the epi & m-trn) for later? Likely you'll cut with that diet and the meds so the additional supps could be used after pct to drive additional fat loss. Would also mean you could record which products actually worked which won't be possible as is. Photos looking better again by the way, definite progress[;)][:)]

anabolicjay -> RE: The way of the firestorm... (Heavy supplementation cutting cycle) (Apr. 21 2008 12:31:33)
well done with the progress mate.

firest0rm -> RE: The way of the firestorm... (Heavy supplementation cutting cycle) (Apr. 21 2008 18:06:03)
quote: ORIGINAL: Celt Gotta ask the question mate, with your diet now sorted is there an argument for saving the supps (bar the epi & m-trn) for later? Likely you'll cut with that diet and the meds so the additional supps could be used after pct to drive additional fat loss. Would also mean you could record which products actually worked which won't be possible as is. Photos looking better again by the way, definite progress[;)][:)] There's always the argument whether to use supplements or not, regardless of diet. I had a reasonable diet before I took on TIO's advice, plenty of protein from natural sources with little junk food. My diet now is just 'more', I suppose you could say I'm eating 'smarter' than I was before. TIO's diet is working wonders, but diet cannot stop catabolism completely and on a cutting diet energy levels typically drop, as well as strength. Taking the fat loss attributes of Recreate aside, it has effects on energy, mood and is also being reported as increasing strength and muscle mass. So while I'm losing weight from TIO's diet and recommendations in my cardio routine, I'm also managing to not only have enough energy to go see my son afterwards but also play with him for several hours without collapsing lol. So yea, I do see your point about knocking the supplements on the head but like I said they have other properties which I'm finding extremely beneficial at the moment. Oh and I'll just mention now I actually broke a personal best today on shoulder press. So that's a new personal best, 10kg increase in strength, while cutting.... [8D]

firest0rm -> RE: The way of the firestorm... (Heavy supplementation cutting cycle) (Apr. 21 2008 18:06:35)
quote: ORIGINAL: anabolicjay well done with the progress mate. Thank you very much [8D] Hopefully I can get my bodyfat down enough so I have great abs like yours lol

firest0rm -> RE: The way of the firestorm... (Heavy supplementation cutting cycle) (Apr. 21 2008 18:22:19)
Day 8 - Shoulders / Traps *NEW PERSONAL BEST* Supplements Epistane: 10mg 9am / 10mg 9pm Proviron: 25mg 9am / 25mg 9pm ReCreate: 2 caps 8:30am / 1 cap 2pm ALCAR: 4grams 9am / 2grams 6pm / 2grams 9pm Yohimbine: 5mg 9am / 5mg 8pm ThermoGlide: 1 rub (wink wink) 9am / 1 rub (ding dong) 9pm Meals 9:00am: 50g oats mixed with milk, 20grams whey 1:00pm: Big fat red apple, 20grams whey 2:00pm: 4 chicken wings, half a packet of savoury rice, handfull of nuts 4:00pm: 4 chicken wings, half a packet of savoury rice, handfull of nuts 6:30pm: Not sure what I'm having yet, it'll be healthy though [:D] 8:30pm: I'll have half of whatever I'm having above 10pm: 250gram tub of quark, options sachet Training - Dumbell weights are per dumbell and not total weight 15mins crosstrainer, 11-13kph, hill setting level 14 Shoulder press: 30kgs 15r, 60kgs 12r, 80kgs 10r, 90kgs 7r, 100kgs 3r!!! - new PB!! Arnold press: 30kgs 8r, 30kgs 8r, 30kgs 6r Lat raise: 17.5kg 5r, 17.5kg 4r, 17.5kg 3r, 17.5kg 3r, 17.5kg 2r - I did the 5X5 method, not sure if I did it right though. I read on a website that you do 5 sets, beginning with 5 reps and it should be on a weight which makes you fail progressively on lower reps. I got to the set where I should have failed on 2 but I managed to do another rep. Not sure if I did this wrong or not? Wide grip rows: 70kg 20r, 70kg 18r, 70kg 15r Wide grip dips: 20r, 18r, 12r Front raises: 20kg 5r, 20kg 4r, 20kg 3r, 20kg 2r, 20kg 1r - Again I tried the 5X5 routine. Shrugs: 40kg 8r, 40kg 8r, 40kg 8r Chin ups: 3 sets of 3reps lol, was knackered 30mins treadmill, 6kph, hill setting 17 Narrative Well the Epistane kicked in with a vengeance today! First of all, I got a new PB! Broke my old PB by 10kg, and considering I'm cutting I'm very very happy. I got huge pumps in my shoulders today and generally looked big in the gym. I felt great on the crosstrainer, and even the treadmill afterwards, and I bopped to the bus stop happy as larry! I feel really pumped and I look even leaner today, I can't wait to get my bodyfat measured on Saturday I'm confidence I can get it below 15.5%. I'm looking forward to tomorrow's chest workout too, who knows I might be able get back up to 110kg again!

Celt -> RE: The way of the firestorm... (Heavy supplementation cutting cycle) (Apr. 22 2008 8:52:51)
quote: ORIGINAL: firest0rm There's always the argument whether to use supplements or not, regardless of diet. I had a reasonable diet before I took on TIO's advice, plenty of protein from natural sources with little junk food. My diet now is just 'more', I suppose you could say I'm eating 'smarter' than I was before. TIO's diet is working wonders, but diet cannot stop catabolism completely and on a cutting diet energy levels typically drop, as well as strength. Taking the fat loss attributes of Recreate aside, it has effects on energy, mood and is also being reported as increasing strength and muscle mass. So while I'm losing weight from TIO's diet and recommendations in my cardio routine, I'm also managing to not only have enough energy to go see my son afterwards but also play with him for several hours without collapsing lol. So yea, I do see your point about knocking the supplements on the head but like I said they have other properties which I'm finding extremely beneficial at the moment. Oh and I'll just mention now I actually broke a personal best today on shoulder press. So that's a new personal best, 10kg increase in strength, while cutting.... [8D] All sounds good mate, nice one on the shouldr press too that's a good number! TIO's diet advice for you looks really strong, I'm starting off-season now so can add some bulk but as I'm a similar size to you I'll be 'pinching' it for my own use in July and August to drop fat, get lean and get fast before rugby starts again. Any comparison you can give on recreate will be useful, have you tried Alri's venom? I only ask as I have before and do rate it, it's also on sale at discount-supps at £19.99, considering whether to get more venom or splash out on recreate.

firest0rm -> RE: The way of the firestorm... (Heavy supplementation cutting cycle) (Apr. 22 2008 18:04:43)
Hmm.. it's difficult comparing Recreate to anything simply because it's quite unlike anything about, at least anything I've ever taken. Although there is caffeine in it I believe, it's a specific extract not just straight caffeine, and this doesn't give you a 'stim' feeling but more of a prolonged energy burst throughout the day. Imagine the difference between Dextrose and Oats, that's how I imagine the difference in my fragile little mind lol. I am getting a slight thermogenic effect. I've never ran Venom before so I couldn't compare. People are reporting on AM that Recreate is good to be used on a bulk to keep off fat. I dunno really, I wouldn't like to say "go for Recreate" if you don't respond as well to it as Venom but in my opinion it is a great product. The only thing I will say is its appetite suppression effects, if you need to eat a lot then it probably isn't the best thing to take. I really struggle to eat lol.

firest0rm -> RE: The way of the firestorm... (Heavy supplementation cutting cycle) (Apr. 22 2008 18:18:27)
Day 9 - Chest / Triceps Supplements Epistane: 10mg 9am / 10mg 9pm Proviron: 25mg 9am / 25mg 9pm ReCreate: 2 caps 8:30am / 1 cap 2pm ALCAR: 2grams 9am / 2grams 3pm / 2grams 9pm Yohimbine: 5mg 9am / 5mg 8pm ThermoGlide: 1 rub (wink wink) 9am / 1 rub (ding dong) 9pm Meals 9:00am: 50grams country crisp, bananananananana 1:00pm: Big fat red apple 2:00pm: 2 tins of tuna, half a packet of savoury rice, half a tin of sweetcorn 4:00pm: 2 tins of mackeral, half a packet of savoury rice, half a tin of sweetcorn 6:30pm: Pork steak, loads of veg 8:30pm: Pork steak, loads of veg 10pm: 250gram tub of quark, options sachet Training - Dumbell weights are per dumbell and not total weight 15mins crosstrainer, 11-13kph, hill setting level 14 Bench press: bar 30r, 60kg 15r, 80kg 10r, 100kg 5r, 100kg 1r (lol) - Drop set: 60kg 10r, 50kg 10r, 40kg 10r, 30kg 10r, bar 10r Incline db press: 27.5kgs 3 x 10 Flye machine: 60kg 15r, 80kg 10r, 90kg 8r Cable pulldown: 30kg 15r, 40kg 12r, 50kg 10r, 60kg 8r, 70kg 6r Skull crushers: 30kg 10r, 40kg 8r, 40kg 6r Dips: 12r, 10r, 10r Close grip bench: 30kg 15r, 50kg 10r, 70kg 8r Isotricep pulldown thing: 20kg 12r, 25kg 10r, 25kg 10r 30mins treadmill, 6kph, hill setting 17 Narrative Well last nights diet didn't go according to plan. I ended up staying over at my girlfriends new house and having a potnoodle. I also had a couple of little cakes. I was determined that I would eat NO junk today whatsoever, and so far I haven't. I've even resisted gingernut biscuits, ice cream and chocolate. Training was great. Strength is generally up across the board compared to recent weeks, although I didn't break any PB's today I don't think. Oh actually come to think about it the flye machine on 90kg was a PB. I've been getting pumps in my calfs when doing the 30 minutes walking, but it's manageable. I'm looking big today, looking 'hench' so to speak. Hopefully this will show through on this weekends pictures. I'm positive I've lost more weight since weekend, the pants I'm wearing are looser than normal. I'm also looking forward to starting the Methoxy-TRN on Saturday too. I've never ran it before and I'm hoping I get the same results Taz did! I'm taking Jake to Bramhall park tomorrow. I'm optimistic that the weather will stay gorgeous like it is now. I was sat with him in the garden earlier on, was lovely [:)]

Celt -> RE: The way of the firestorm... (Heavy supplementation cutting cycle) (Apr. 23 2008 9:13:32)
Cheers for that, I'll keep an eye on your progress and think about recreate when recomping in the summer, the appetite suppression would be good for me!

firest0rm -> RE: The way of the firestorm... (Heavy supplementation cutting cycle) (Apr. 23 2008 16:54:47)
I just took my baby boy to Bramhall Park. Weather was gorgeous! We had a lovely time. Here are a couple of pictures: [image]http://photos-g.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v235/239/47/597756845/n597756845_801942_5548.jpg[/image] [image]http://photos-h.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v235/239/47/597756845/n597756845_801951_8041.jpg[/image] [image]http://photos-c.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v235/239/47/597756845/n597756845_801986_238.jpg[/image] [image]http://photos-c.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v235/239/47/597756845/n597756845_802002_487.jpg[/image]

sullivan0785 -> RE: The way of the firestorm... (Heavy supplementation cutting cycle) (Apr. 24 2008 14:22:37)
bro those pics are amazing. Seems like the perfect life, you and your child on a bridge...you look like your happy man im proud of the way you keep things going and im sure you feel good about it. well done my friend

sullivan0785 -> RE: The way of the firestorm... (Heavy supplementation cutting cycle) (Apr. 24 2008 14:24:26)
oh yeah by the way your looking alot tighter, lose some body fat eh?

firest0rm -> RE: The way of the firestorm... (Heavy supplementation cutting cycle) (Apr. 24 2008 17:49:51)
quote: ORIGINAL: sullivan0785 oh yeah by the way your looking alot tighter, lose some body fat eh? Well Saturday before last I got checked at 17%, Saturday just gone I was 16.3%, I'm hoping when I get checked this Saturday I'll be around 15.5%! :D And thank you :)

firest0rm -> RE: The way of the firestorm... (Heavy supplementation cutting cycle) (Apr. 24 2008 18:12:48)
Day 11 - Back Supplements Epistane: 10mg 9am / 10mg 9pm Proviron: 25mg 9am / 25mg 9pm Methoxy-TRN: 1.5mg 9am / 1.5mg 12pm / 1.5mg 9pm ReCreate: 2 caps 8:30am / 1 cap 2pm ALCAR: 2grams 9am / 2grams 3pm / 2grams 9pm Yohimbine: 5mg 9am / 5mg 8pm ThermoGlide: 1 rub (wink wink) 9am / 1 rub (ding dong) 9pm Meals 9:00am: 50 grams oats 12:00pm: 2 tins mackeral, tin sweetcorn 3:30pm: handful of cashews, red apple, bananananananana 4:30pm: tuna and natural yoghurt on a wholemeal pitta 5:00pm: minced beef, mash and veg 6:30pm: minced beef, mash and veg 8:30pm: tuna and natural yoghurt on a wholemeal pitta 10pm: 250gram tub of quark, options sachet Training - Dumbell weights are per dumbell and not total weight 15mins crosstrainer, 11-13kph, hill setting level 14 Wide grip pullups: 30kg assisted 12r, own bodyweight: 8r, 6r, 6r Narrow grip hammer machine rows: 100kg 12r, 150kg 10r, 150kg 8r Wide grip hammer machine rows: 50kg 20r, 50kg 15r, 50kg 15r Wide grip pulldowns: 63kg 12r, 70kg 10r, 77kg 8r Narrow grip pulldowns behind neck: 56kg 10r, 63kg 10r, 63kg 10r 1 arm db rows: 27.5kg 10r, 10r, 10r Wide grip dips: 12r, 20r, 12r Chins: 5r, 5r, 5r 30mins treadmill, 6kph, hill setting 17 Narrative I took Jake to be weighed this morning so my diet was a little out of whack but I've done well I think. I'm feeling a little bloated at the moment but I need the toilet so I'm sure I won't be shortly [:D] Cardio was easy today. I've been getting calf cramps recently which I believe is a side of Recreate, but today I had none. I'm going to up the incline tomorrow and see how I feel. My strength is generally up across the board, although no PB's today. Wide grips were easier, and I bumped the weight up on the wide grip rows too. I got to the end of my workout and felt like I could have done more. In hindsight I should have gone back and done some deadlifts but I forgot. I'm pretty sure my weight has been steadily dropping. I'm hopefull that it'll be lower on Saturday. I couldn't wait any longer so I started the methoxy-trn today lol.

firest0rm -> RE: The way of the firestorm... (Heavy supplementation cutting cycle) (Apr. 25 2008 18:07:26)
Day 12 - Legs / Biceps *Another Personal Best!* Supplements Epistane: 10mg 9am / 10mg 9pm Proviron: 25mg 9am / 25mg 9pm Methoxy-TRN: 3mg 9am / 1.5mg 9pm ReCreate: 2 caps 8:30am / 1 cap 2pm ALCAR: 2grams 9am / 2grams 3pm / 2grams 9pm Yohimbine: 5mg 9am / 5mg 8pm ThermoGlide: 1 rub (wink wink) 9am / 1 rub (ding dong) 9pm Meals 9:00am: 50 readybrek and 30grams muesli 1:00pm: bananananannana 2:30pm: 2 tins tuna mixed with natural yoghurt, on wholemeal pitta with cucumber and tomato 4:30pm: big tin mackeral, half a tin of sweetcorn, handful of nuts 6:00pm: Pizza (I know, I know) 8:30pm: something healthy, not sure what yet 10pm: 250gram tub of quark, options sachet Training - Dumbell weights are per dumbell and not total weight 15mins crosstrainer, 11-13kph, hill setting level 14 Leg curl for quads: 60kg 15r, 60kg 15r, 80kg 12r, 100kg 10r, 120kg 10r, 140kg 8r, 150kg 5r (New PB) Leg curl for hams: 56kg 12r, 63kg 10r, 70kg 10r Squats: bar 20r, 60kg 15r, 80kg 12r, 100kg 6r Leg press: 106kg 20r, 142kg 15r, 203kg 10r Cable bar curl: 30kg 15r, 40kg 12r, 50kg 10r, 60kg 10r Concentration curl: 14kg 12r, 20kg 8r, 20kg 6r, 14kg 8r EZ curl bar: 30kg 10r, 30kg 10r, 30kg 10r Chins: 10r, 8r, 8r Cable bar curl: Drop set - 60kg 10r, 50kg 10r, 40kg 10r, 30kg 10r, 20kg 10r 21's: 10kg, 5kg (then my arms went numb) 30mins treadmill, 6kph, hill setting 18 Narrative Well today I felt absolutely amazing. Got on the crosstrainer and I was maintaining a steady speed of 15kph for the first six or seven minutes, on an incline. I just felt so focused and energetic. I had a bigger breakfast than normal, as well as a coffee, so I'm thinking the extra carbs combined with the caffeine give me a good boost. I looked very slim this morning, as I posed infront of the mirror being all vain, and I'm very excited at getting my bodyfat checked tomorrow. Strength was up a fair bit today. I did another personal best on the leg curl machine. I actually lifted the full stack +5kgs and when I lifted the first rep somebody on the crosstrainer near me said "facking hell", which was an ego boost. I'm definately making progress with my legs, I think the upper part is bigger and is definately more defined, and my calves are a work in progress. I'll be taking some pictures of my legs this weekend, just for mick_the_brick [:D] I'm rarely having whey at the moment and I don't feel like my recovery is being affected in any ..whey.. whatsoever. I like to think I know a fair bit about training, diet, supplements etc, but I also don't have a problem with learning new things and re-adjusting the way I do things. To that effect I've completely altered my perception of nutrition concerning whey protein and supplements of that nature. At one time I wouldn't go a day without a few shakes, now I can go a few days without having one. That's the thing I love about bodybuilding, I'm constantly learning new things and trying new things and I love it.

firest0rm -> RE: The way of the firestorm... (Heavy supplementation cutting cycle) (Apr. 26 2008 19:28:15)
* Bodyfat down again! * Ok so my weight has remained around 14st 8lbs and I'm down .3%. It's not as much as I was expecting/hoping but it's still better than nothing. I'm more happy about my weight staying up. In total I've dropped 1% in 2 weeks, which isn't bad going. I've got a while yet until summer so no rush [8D] Here are some pics, legs will follow soon: [image]http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t157/tom_gymrat/BB%20Pics/DSC01071.jpg[/image] [image]http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t157/tom_gymrat/BB%20Pics/DSC01073.jpg[/image]

theiopener -> RE: The way of the firestorm... (Heavy supplementation cutting cycle) (Apr. 26 2008 19:30:23)
i think its dropped from your hips mainly mate, looks good, keep it up! [:)]

firest0rm -> RE: The way of the firestorm... (Heavy supplementation cutting cycle) (Apr. 26 2008 20:07:04)
quote: ORIGINAL: theiopener i think its dropped from your hips mainly mate, looks good, keep it up! [:)] Thank you! That's what I thought, I'm glad it's not just my imagination lol. I could do with it coming off my face too, I have such a "moonface" as the guys on irc call it lol.

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