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Do you need supplements while on roids? - Apr. 13 2008 21:55:05
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Hi all, we're all wanting to get big but what's the best way to go about it? can you get big on just a good diet and decent supplements or just go for the steroids, if its the latter then do u need supplements aswell?
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RE: Do you need supplements while on roids? - Apr. 13 2008 21:57:48
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Dont even think about steroids till you actually have a clue firstly about steroids themselves (therefore you could easily answer this question yourself) ,secondly diet, third training and fourth your own body and what it responds too.
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RE: Do you need supplements while on roids? - Apr. 13 2008 22:27:08
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roids then? I have done some in the past, only small time tho, ie: winstrol, but would supplements help much if i know i'm going to put size on anyway or would i be throwing money away?
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RE: Do you need supplements while on roids? - Apr. 13 2008 22:39:43
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read the newbie article sunshine 
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RE: Do you need supplements while on roids? - Apr. 13 2008 23:45:21
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i hate the term 'roids', i find it quite degrading. 
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RE: Do you need supplements while on roids? - Apr. 14 2008 1:25:51
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roids then? I have done some in the past, only small time tho, ie: winstrol, but would supplements help much if i know i'm going to put size on anyway or would i be throwing money away?
the following are in importance decending:
1.training.
2.diet.
3.rest.
4.supplements
5.A/A steroids
of course supplements will help! Need protien for repair/growth everyone knows that!
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RE: Do you need supplements while on roids? - Apr. 14 2008 1:26:23
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i hate the term 'roids', i find it quite degrading.
agreed
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RE: Do you need supplements while on roids? - Apr. 14 2008 2:04:39
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Ok, sorry guys "steroids", i'm here for advice not a telling off. So say i was going to go down the route of not using steroids, the only supplement i would need is protein and lots of it right?
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RE: Do you need supplements while on roids? - Apr. 14 2008 2:53:47
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you don't "need" any if you can eat enough solid food
personally I rely on shakes a lot now as I can get more cals in... so I use a weight gainer in milk and a whey shake in between every solid meal
having about 5 shakes ATM plus about 4-5 solid feeds + snacks like fruit and nuts
the shakes work out cheaper than food for me so I spend more on quality foods like eating rump steak more than once a day
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RE: Do you need supplements while on roids? - Apr. 14 2008 6:35:17
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It's interesting how the OP gives barely any info on himself (age etc) yet wants advice on supps with gear use. It's the 'answer only the question before you'. No. I'd wanna know if you are too damn young and inexperienced to use gear never mind giving you supps advice. That way MT doesn't get bitten on the ass by handing out advice on supps to a gear using 12 year old for example.
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RE: Do you need supplements while on roids? - Apr. 14 2008 10:32:37
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roids then? I have done some in the past, only small time tho, ie: winstrol, but would supplements help much if i know i'm going to put size on anyway or would i be throwing money away?
you may have experimented in the past but you clearly dont have the basic knowledge regarding AAS, diet or training
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read the newbie article sunshine
Good place to start sunshine! 
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the following are in importance decending:
1.training.
2.diet.
3.rest.
4.supplements
5.A/A steroids
of course supplements will help! Need protien for repair/growth everyone knows that!
Hmmmmm id put diet above training personally and supplements do not need to be in the list at all if you have your diet nailed
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It's interesting how the OP gives barely any info on himself (age etc) yet wants advice on supps with gear use. It's the 'answer only the question before you'. No. I'd wanna know if you are too damn young and inexperienced to use gear never mind giving you supps advice. That way MT doesn't get bitten on the ass by handing out advice on supps to a gear using 12 year old for example.
LOL
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RE: Do you need supplements while on roids? - Apr. 14 2008 14:42:46
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ok Mobster, i'm 32, 5'11" and 188lbs, and married just incase you was interested , lol.
I have been training for a number of years and i do know the basic's, but you can read book after book and they wont always give you the honest answer and its not allways that easy to ask some1 face to face, but being on MT i can go from beginner to intermediate, i've read the articles now and they make good reading, cheers. I'm going to Mr.Britain in May so i'll get more advice there.
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RE: Do you need supplements while on roids? - Apr. 14 2008 14:57:14
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I have been training for a number of years and i do know the basic's,
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Hi all, we're all wanting to get big but what's the best way to go about it? can you get big on just a good diet and decent supplements or just go for the steroids, if its the latter then do u need supplements aswell?
lol
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RE: Do you need supplements while on roids? - Apr. 14 2008 15:05:16
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ok Mobster, i'm 32, 5'11" and 188lbs, and married just incase you was interested , lol.
I have been training for a number of years and i do know the basic's, but you can read book after book and they wont always give you the honest answer and its not allways that easy to ask some1 face to face, but being on MT i can go from beginner to intermediate, i've read the articles now and they make good reading, cheers. I'm going to Mr.Britain in May so i'll get more advice there.
To answer the original question then in light of the above - yes.
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RE: Do you need supplements while on roids? - Apr. 14 2008 17:37:23
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roids then? I have done some in the past, only small time tho, ie: winstrol, but would supplements help much if i know i'm going to put size on anyway or would i be throwing money away?
the following are in importance decending:
1.training.
2.diet.
3.rest.
4.supplements
5.A/A steroids
of course supplements will help! Need protien for repair/growth everyone knows that!
Sorry but I have to disagree. If you take enough steroids, you will grow, whether you workout or not, and your diet can consist of just about anything so long as their is alot of protein in it.
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RE: Do you need supplements while on roids? - Apr. 14 2008 17:40:20
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edit.
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RE: Do you need supplements while on roids? - Apr. 14 2008 17:49:48
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Sorry but I have to disagree. If you take enough steroids, you will grow, whether you workout or not, and your diet can consist of just about anything so long as their is alot of protein in it.
do it so and report back to us in two years for update?
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RE: Do you need supplements while on roids? - Apr. 14 2008 17:52:52
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Sorry but I have to disagree. If you take enough steroids, you will grow, whether you workout or not, and your diet can consist of just about anything so long as their is alot of protein in it.
LOL jog on mate
Im sure you have real world experience of this being 16 and shooting grams of test and eating kilos of protein
So to conclude, no stimulation of muscle means youll put on lean muscle mass yes when theres no signal to grow in the first place, right?
Christ i wish these peeps would stop purporting the notion of gear being magic beans to the general populous 
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RE: Do you need supplements while on roids? - Apr. 14 2008 17:55:52
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Sorry but I have to disagree. If you take enough steroids, you will grow, whether you workout or not, and your diet can consist of just about anything so long as their is alot of protein in it.
LOL jog on mate
Im sure you have real world experience of this being 16 and shooting grams of test and eating kilos of protein
So to conclude, no stimulation of muscle means youll put on lean muscle mass yes when theres no signal to grow in the first place, right?
Christ i wish these peeps would stop purporting the notion of gear being magic beans to the general populous
Ok let me find the study. I'll edit this when I find it.
"We determined effects of testosterone supplementation (100 mg of testosterone enanthate injected weekly) with or without resistance training (45 minutes three times weekly) on body composition and muscle function in 47 men with COPD (mean FEV1 = 40% predicted) and low testosterone levels (mean = 320 ng/dl). Subjects were randomized to 10 weeks of placebo injections + no training, testosterone injections + no training, placebo injections + resistance training, or testosterone injections + resistance training. Testosterone injections yielded a mean increase of 271 ng/dl in the nadir serum testosterone concentration (to the middle of the normal range for young men). The lean body mass (by dual-energy X-ray absorptiometry) increase averaged 2.3 kg with testosterone alone and 3.3 kg with combined testosterone and resistance training (p < 0.001). Increase in one-repetition maximum leg press strength averaged 17.2% with testosterone alone"
To answer your question, yes
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RE: Do you need supplements while on roids? - Apr. 14 2008 17:57:27
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ive seen the study mate
it says fat free mass, not muscle tissue
Also the study results were taken when the subjects were still on cycle and not after PCT protocol was finished
Due to the aromatisation of Test the weight difference they would have had that accounts for Fat Free Mass is simply water
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