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RE: carb cutoff - Apr. 16 2008 19:57:25
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and even if you ate at a deficit, and you ate carbs when your glycogen stores are full, it would still be stored as fat even if you are in a deficit right
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RE: carb cutoff - Apr. 16 2008 20:46:54
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so on this site, http://www.caloriesperhour.com/tips.php is it wrong in 2 places? 1) it says if you skip a meal your metabolism slows 2) The part about the insulin spike telling the body it is time to stop burning fat and time to start storing it?
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RE: carb cutoff - Apr. 16 2008 21:04:11
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Where you get the rest of your energy from to fuel your training doesn't matter as long as there are enough carbs there.
I'm puzzled at this
a mars bar would then be the same as a rice cake in terms of carbs 
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RE: carb cutoff - Apr. 16 2008 23:43:23
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so on this site, http://www.caloriesperhour.com/tips.php is it wrong in 2 places? 1) it says if you skip a meal your metabolism slows That's wrong. 2) The part about the insulin spike telling the body it is time to stop burning fat and time to start storing it? That's partly wrong. An insulin spike makes cells store glucose & AAs. What happens to those nutrients depends on how much there is.
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RE: carb cutoff - Apr. 16 2008 23:44:47
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I'm puzzled at this a mars bar would then be the same as a rice cake in terms of carbs There's far more carbs in a Mars Bar than in a rice cake. 
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RE: carb cutoff - Apr. 17 2008 19:51:44
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What would a reason be that someone would want to have low insulin levels at night while sleeping (so not eating carbs before bed), would this be more ideal for cutting?
Also how does calories in vs calories out, fit in with eating carbs when not active. In other words why do people not want to take in as many carbs when not active if its more about calories in vs calories out
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RE: carb cutoff - Apr. 18 2008 16:05:25
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RE: carb cutoff - Apr. 18 2008 16:33:53
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If you eat a pile of carbs when you're not active, some of it is stored as fat. Later-on, that fat gets burned when you're hungry. If you're in net Calorie deficit, you burn more fat than you store.
I think that it's better to not store fat unnecessarily which then has to be burned later-on when you're hungry. If you eat according to what you're doing, you minimise fat-storage and fat-burning later-on and you also minimise hunger pangs.
As an insulin spike can cause drowsiness, eating some carbs just before bed is not a bad thing.
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RE: carb cutoff - Apr. 18 2008 16:42:30
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questions , questions, questions...
have a nice balanced meal before bed and don't worry about it
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RE: carb cutoff - Apr. 18 2008 16:52:05
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If you eat a pile of carbs when you're not active, some of it is stored as fat. Later-on, that fat gets burned when you're hungry. If you're in net Calorie deficit, you burn more fat than you store.
I think that it's better to not store fat unnecessarily which then has to be burned later-on when you're hungry. If you eat according to what you're doing, you minimise fat-storage and fat-burning later-on and you also minimise hunger pangs.
As an insulin spike can cause drowsiness, eating some carbs just before bed is not a bad thing.
is it true that the body utilizes/spikes the amount of insulin it needs according to what the body needs? So that when you eat slow carbs there's a small insulin spike which is enough for what the body needs (be it to burn or store) whereas when you have fast carbs there's a big insulin spike so it flushes 'more' nutrients than what the body needs, hence stocking it as fat since it's sugars?
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RE: carb cutoff - Apr. 18 2008 16:54:29
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questions , questions, questions...
have a nice balanced meal before bed and don't worry about it
thing is though fella there's A LOT of people who don't know what they're doing.. I mean, in these past couple of days there's been crucial things said on here that I'm sure a lot were not even aware of... granted it's alright to have a well balanced diet and not worry too much.. but I'll leave that to the other guys in the gym, I want to learn 
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RE: carb cutoff - Apr. 18 2008 17:08:54
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questions , questions, questions...
have a nice balanced meal before bed and don't worry about it
thing is though fella there's A LOT of people who don't know what they're doing.. I mean, in these past couple of days there's been crucial things said on here that I'm sure a lot were not even aware of... granted it's alright to have a well balanced diet and not worry too much.. but I'll leave that to the other guys in the gym, I want to learn
so tell me how is learning about how it works vs. using whats tried and tested for decades going to help really?
Paralysis by analysis this is really
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RE: carb cutoff - Apr. 18 2008 17:21:48
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questions , questions, questions...
have a nice balanced meal before bed and don't worry about it
thing is though fella there's A LOT of people who don't know what they're doing.. I mean, in these past couple of days there's been crucial things said on here that I'm sure a lot were not even aware of... granted it's alright to have a well balanced diet and not worry too much.. but I'll leave that to the other guys in the gym, I want to learn
so tell me how is learning about how it works vs. using whats tried and tested for decades going to help really?
Paralysis by analysis this is really
Because knowing WHY allows people to adapt to every situation.
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RE: carb cutoff - Apr. 18 2008 17:26:25
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Because knowing WHY allows people to adapt to every situation.
What?! 
Why would knowing why it works allow you to adapt to a situation? Eat for what your body needs, if you wanna know what then get tested and use those results to plan a diet
Christ mate just get on with it and train and eat, all this research only confounds things by getting caught up in the incremental BS that stops any sort of progress happening
While youre worrying about what should i put in my PWO shake ill be getting on training, running on a empty stomach and not using dextrose or any PWO shake and making better progress than most people who choose to spend more time on here debating semantics then actually getting on with it and learning what it is their body responds to, thats something a book or study will NOT teach you
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RE: carb cutoff - Apr. 18 2008 17:30:02
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is it true that the body utilizes/spikes the amount of insulin it needs according to what the body needs? So that when you eat slow carbs there's a small insulin spike which is enough for what the body needs (be it to burn or store) whereas when you have fast carbs there's a big insulin spike so it flushes 'more' nutrients than what the body needs, hence stocking it as fat since it's sugars? the insulin response corresponds to the rise in blood sugar. high GI carbs are digested and released to the bloodstream fairly quickly. low Gi are released more slowly. insulin responds to the rise in blood glucose. liquid meals are released quicker still. with the high GI meal you will see a bigger insulin response. but nobody eats carbs on their own anyway. when you're eating a mixed meal the GI difference between the slow and fast carb meal is pretty much zilch to the overall insulin response. the size of the meal would
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RE: carb cutoff - Apr. 18 2008 18:00:27
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is it true that the body utilizes/spikes the amount of insulin it needs according to what the body needs? So that when you eat slow carbs there's a small insulin spike which is enough for what the body needs (be it to burn or store) whereas when you have fast carbs there's a big insulin spike so it flushes 'more' nutrients than what the body needs, hence stocking it as fat since it's sugars? It doesn't work like that and I don't have the time to explain how it does work, so don't worry about it.
EDIT: Luckily R3261 has more time than me!
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RE: carb cutoff - Apr. 18 2008 18:03:19
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thing is though fella there's A LOT of people who don't know what they're doing.. I mean, in these past couple of days there's been crucial things said on here that I'm sure a lot were not even aware of... granted it's alright to have a well balanced diet and not worry too much.. but I'll leave that to the other guys in the gym, I want to learn
my original comment was addressed at Eric
but still stands for most of the readers
sure a decent understaniding of nutrition is great
too many specifics detract from the task at hand
edit: my grammar stinks
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RE: carb cutoff - Apr. 18 2008 18:22:46
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I know I ask a lot of questions and I apologize, but I actually do find all of this incredibly interesting- not just so I can change what I am doing. Also, you guys are the most knowledgable of anyone I have ever seen and I respect your opinions.
How does carb sensitivity come into play here? When someone "doesn't do well with carbs" and feel really tired and out of it an hour after a high carb meal, how does this work in with getting fat and calories in vs calories out? Is it just that the carb sensitive folk store more fat from carbs initially and then it will be burned off later if calories are in a deficit? So the only difference is the initial fat gain from eating carbs is more than someone who isn't carb sensitive?
lol sorry for another question
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