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Bodybuilding/strength/fighting/overtraining - Apr. 15 2008 18:44:03
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Is someone able to build muscle sufficiently who is also into martial arts.
I have been under the impression that high heart rate for long periods = not optimum for muscle maintainence or gain. If this is true how do some fighters achieve great physiques; do they do heavy weight training or is it created by the sport?
Would boxing training like push ups, sprinting, and all other bodyweight type resistance training hinder or deteriorate any muscle gains when combined with a bodybuilding split; basically is this overtraining, seeing as your muscles are hit with the BB split, or can you create a routine based around your martial art training too?
i.e less shoulder work due to lots of punching work which used shoulders a lot, or is this a different kind of training and heavy weight training should never be taken out?
I want to get into fighting and improve fitness but i also love improving my strength/physique with BB type training and eating.
Can both be achieved to a good standard?
Note: I never want to be huge, just 'big and toned', more specifically 16-17 inch arms with proportional legs, chest, slim waist and visible abs
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RE: Bodybuilding/strength/fighting/overtraining - Apr. 15 2008 18:47:28
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strength/physique with BB type training
Personally I'd improve my strength with strength training. Keep it simple low reps, add in some circuit work for conditioning, eat enough, eat enough again, and sure you can get muscular and fight.
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RE: Bodybuilding/strength/fighting/overtraining - Apr. 15 2008 18:51:54
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Me too, as i always see fighters with the kind of physique i'd like, was just curious as to how they did it.
So a lot of fighters do strength training right?
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RE: Bodybuilding/strength/fighting/overtraining - Apr. 15 2008 18:53:35
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how they did it.
If it's UFC or Pride etc then gear probably helps!
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RE: Bodybuilding/strength/fighting/overtraining - Apr. 15 2008 18:54:46
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If I was gona get into a fighting sport I'd concentrate on not getting my arse kicked rather than what I looked like! Train and get good at the sport and let the rest take care of itself.
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RE: Bodybuilding/strength/fighting/overtraining - Apr. 15 2008 19:04:15
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Ha ha absolutely mate, i'm just enquiring what my options were as i like to lift heavy and look as good as poss still.
I'm definitely giving thai boxing my all regardless
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RE: Bodybuilding/strength/fighting/overtraining - Apr. 15 2008 19:06:00
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Post a question in training section or fight section. I am sure they'd be some good experienced guys that would help you to taylor your weight training to kick boxing.
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RE: Bodybuilding/strength/fighting/overtraining - Apr. 15 2008 19:11:21
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Do-able, but would take a long time to get the results you'd want!
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RE: Bodybuilding/strength/fighting/overtraining - Apr. 15 2008 19:17:52
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I never personally found that boxing and weight training clashed
My brother trains in muay thai amongst other things, and he is muscular too
But, everyone is different
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RE: Bodybuilding/strength/fighting/overtraining - Apr. 15 2008 20:35:24
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Without assistance?
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RE: Bodybuilding/strength/fighting/overtraining - Apr. 16 2008 8:26:12
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i'm finding it a hinderance... i'm limited by the techniques i can use for BJJ due to leg size.
More muscle = more energy burned = gas quicker
fighters should never train like bodybuilders, the two training styles to not mix... slow steady reps vs explosive movements.
unless your cardio is top notch, you will gas
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A fighter has no business following a bodybuilding routine. Bodybuilding emphasizes aesthetics. The activity involves posing various muscle groups for a panel of judges. There is no concern for athletic qualities such as speed, power, and endurance. An athlete trains for function. A fighter will not gain points on the judge’s scorecard by crafting a symmetrical pair of pectoral muscles. To compare strength training for a fighter to bodybuilding is like comparing a fresh orange to an artificial apple.
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RE: Patron Saint of 9 Stone Weaklings - Apr. 16 2008 13:16:07
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I see skinny people....
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RE: Patron Saint of 9 Stone Weaklings - Apr. 16 2008 13:19:37
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ha ha ha, me too... great size for his frame but damn... i feel hungry just looking at him
*invokes wrath of bruce lee nut huggers*
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RE: Patron Saint of 9 Stone Weaklings - Apr. 16 2008 13:29:39
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Man...don't diss da Brucemeister or I'll have to like, you know, one inch punch your rib cage and send you into a dim mak delayed death touch ninja style spasm.
I could do it man, I'm like mystical and sh1t.
Actually, I thought Bruce had a wicked physique and I remember reading an interview with Arnie where he rated his body highly.
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RE: Patron Saint of 9 Stone Weaklings - Apr. 16 2008 13:40:06
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Arnie where he rated his body highly.
As a PWO snack! 
Bruce Lee had the body to do what he needed to do, and that's the important thing. Also good to see someone posting a pic of Bruce Lee that has a sense of humor!
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