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Saturated Fat- goodie or baddie? - Apr. 15 2008 20:09:29
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SO I was just reading in a magazine that when scientists actually looked back at the studies about saturated fat they found no evidence at all that it caused cholesterol, heart disease and was bad for you.
However, every ebook I've ever read and just about everywhere apart from this article that I read said keep saturated fat below 10% and eat only avacardo and olive oil for fats etc.
Can both people be right? I don't understand because everything I have been taught relating to fats seems wrong(?)
What you think? Saturated fat-good or bad?
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RE: Saturated Fat- goodie or baddie? - Apr. 15 2008 20:14:40
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RE: Saturated Fat- goodie or baddie? - Apr. 15 2008 21:21:52
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Hmm Also read articals that are fore and agaisnt so its hard to say.
My friend read a artitical saying Sat fats can up testorone levels!
PS i try to keep it low as poss.
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RE: Saturated Fat- goodie or baddie? - Apr. 15 2008 23:53:57
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it really depends, has anyone looked at any meta analysis etc, that one example you quote nige might no be applicblae to the general population
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RE: Saturated Fat- goodie or baddie? - Apr. 16 2008 8:23:33
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There's a whole host of info from the links in this thread;
http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/m_2621103/mpage_1/key_/tm.htm#2621103
It's more around the low carb debate but, from memory, there are numerous posts around the dietary cars vs dietary fat stuff.
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RE: Saturated Fat- goodie or baddie? - Apr. 16 2008 9:11:38
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For post-menopausal women, saturated fats are good for the heart and carbs & polyunsaturated fats are bad. See Dietary fats, carbohydrate, and progression of coronary atherosclerosis in postmenopausal women
Confusing, huh?
EDIT: P.S. Getting 47-49% of total Calories from saturated fats didn't do the Tokelauans any harm, either.
Nige, I'll hopefully have time to read that pfirst PDF roperly later, but at a glance, it doesn't seem confusing - I got as far as:
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Open-ended questions were used for other supplements and foods, including breakfast cereal, multivitamin supplements, margarine, and vegetable oil used for frying or baking.
So the ones with a high poly intake had a high intake of fcuked cooking oils/margarine in their diet. This will be associated with a screwed up heart, amongst other things.
Those with the higher sats were simply enjoying their lack of damage, hence they were tickedy boo by comparison, but could probably of benefited from undamaged polys.
To the original question - sats aren't bad, but they don't do anything majorly positive, if that makes sense? Other fats are more important, but avoiding sats isn't necessary - if anything, they are a good slow burn energy source.
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RE: Saturated Fat- goodie or baddie? - Apr. 16 2008 11:32:21
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I'll also guess that the polyunsaturated fats were mostly omega-6 causing an imbalance with omega-3.
I find it interesting that increasing carbohydrate consumption resulted in narrower coronary arteries. I think that's because increased carbs = increased triglycerides = increased type B (bad) LDL-c, decreased type A (good) LDL-c and decreased HDL-c.
Another possible mechanism is increased carbs = increased mean blood glucose level = increased glycosylation of artery walls = increased accumulation of arterial plaque.
P.S. I meant confusing in that it totally contradicts "common knowledge" that saturated fats are bad because they clog your coronary arteries.
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RE: Saturated Fat- goodie or baddie? - Apr. 16 2008 12:08:41
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I'll also guess that the polyunsaturated fats were mostly omega-6 causing an imbalance with omega-3. lol, yes, how did I miss that??!?!? 
I find it interesting that increasing carbohydrate consumption resulted in narrower coronary arteries. I think that's because increased carbs = increased triglycerides = increased type B (bad) LDL-c, decreased type A (good) LDL-c and decreased HDL-c. Quite likely
Another possible mechanism is increased carbs = increased mean blood glucose level = increased glycosylation of artery walls = increased accumulation of arterial plaque. As above!
P.S. I meant confusing in that it totally contradicts "common knowledge" that saturated fats are bad because they clog your coronary arteries.
It's getting very near the time when government has to start sorting out the advice that is allowed. Why do we have to pay for a crippled NHS when a huge amount of the conditions being sorted are down to poor dietary choices, supported by poor recommendations?
Whilst removing choice is obviously unacceptable, there is so little "consequence" nowadays to having a rubbish diet - there's always a pill or operation that can sort you out, so why bother?
Someone high up in government really needs to look up the phrase "prevention is better than cure" - and put it to some use!!!
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RE: Saturated Fat- goodie or baddie? - Apr. 16 2008 12:43:26
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Isnt it a case of Saturated fats arn't required, the body can provide them so dodging them isnt at all bad.
Where as EFA's are needed so worry about getting them?
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RE: Saturated Fat- goodie or baddie? - Apr. 16 2008 12:57:27
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Isn't a certain level (albeit low) of Dietary Sat Fat required?
I thought that - at least for males - dietary sat fat is linked to the production of testosterone.
i.e. - 0 saturated fat = castrate levels of the hormone?
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RE: Saturated Fat- goodie or baddie? - Apr. 16 2008 13:41:39
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All fats apart from efas ALA (omega 3 parent) and LNA (omega 6 parent) can be made as required by the body. This is caveated with your body having right micronutrient intake, no metabolic blocks, etc.
So long as your efas come from undamaged sources, yes, you can live on just them, and do fine. In practice, this is expensive and unnecessary
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RE: Saturated Fat- goodie or baddie? - Apr. 16 2008 17:51:56
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When push comes to shove, fats are an energy source. You mustn't get too much of your energy from protein, which leaves carbs & fats to provide the rest. EFA requirements are quite small, so sat & mono fats make up the rest of your fat intake.
The Mozaffarian study shows that excess dietary carbs are more harmful than has been previously thought.
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RE: Saturated Fat- goodie or baddie? - Apr. 16 2008 17:58:30
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RE: Saturated Fat- goodie or baddie? - Apr. 16 2008 18:23:41
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When push comes to shove, fats are an energy source. You mustn't get too much of your energy from protein, which leaves carbs & fats to provide the rest. EFA requirements are quite small, so sat & mono fats make up the rest of your fat intake.
The Mozaffarian study shows that excess dietary carbs are more harmful than has been previously thought.
So we can we say Saturated fats arn't needed to be eaten at all as the body can create them?.
HOWEVER, as they are a energy source we might include them in our diet to fuel us rather than depending on carbs and protein alone(Oh and theyre good to cook with, and probably cheap, and come in meats so easy to get and all the other 'good' things about them)?
FInally clarify this issue once and for all 
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RE: Saturated Fat- goodie or baddie? - Apr. 16 2008 19:07:19
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So we can we say Saturated fats arn't needed to be eaten at all as the body can create them?. I'd rather eat sat & mono fats than have the body create them, as created fats raise fasting triglycerides (fats in the blood) whereas eaten fats only raise post-prandial triglycerides. Chronically-raised triglycerides are bad for your LDL-c.
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RE: Saturated Fat- goodie or baddie? - Apr. 17 2008 20:20:57
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ORIGINAL: Nigeepoo
When push comes to shove, fats are an energy source. You mustn't get too much of your energy from protein, which leaves carbs & fats to provide the rest. EFA requirements are quite small, so sat & mono fats make up the rest of your fat intake.
The Mozaffarian study shows that excess dietary carbs are more harmful than has been previously thought.
So we can we say Saturated fats arn't needed to be eaten at all as the body can create them?.
HOWEVER, as they are a energy source we might include them in our diet to fuel us rather than depending on carbs and protein alone(Oh and theyre good to cook with, and probably cheap, and come in meats so easy to get and all the other 'good' things about them)?
FInally clarify this issue once and for all
I would eat them, but if you don't get enough saturated fat your liver will convert glucose into sat fats.(or so Im told)
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RE: Saturated Fat- goodie or baddie? - Apr. 18 2008 0:32:33
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I would eat them, but if you don't get enough saturated fat your liver will convert glucose into sat fats.(or so Im told) Don't believe everything you're told. The liver only converts glucose and/or fructose into sat & mono triglycerides (fats) when glucose and/or fructose enters it at a higher rate than glucose leaves it. When liver glycogen stores become full, any more glucose and/or fructose entering the liver is converted into triglycerides.
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