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RE: Vitamins 'may shorten your life' - Apr. 16 2008 14:48:18
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James
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I need to pull the full study to comment fully - but looks like it's a biggy as it's a meta-analysis. I wonder if there's an abbreviated review Although for the main I'm sure there may be some truth, I'd like to see which studies were used, as there are some antioxidants which have uses in certain conditions, eg vitmain C and stomach cancer, beta carotene in sq cell lung cancer, etc
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RE: Vitamins 'may shorten your life' - Apr. 16 2008 15:02:30
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Got beta carotene in my multi-vit from H&B, hope i don't pop my clogs anytime soon
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RE: Vitamins 'may shorten your life' - Apr. 16 2008 15:32:47
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lol dan...its what i've always been saying everything causes cancer
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RE: Vitamins 'may shorten your life' - Apr. 16 2008 15:37:38
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This is a true story...... I've been feeling bad about my diet for a while, especially as i like the regular McD's Last Wednesday i decided it was time to sort things out, so went to Holland & Barratt, purchased Fish Oil Tabs, Green Tea Tabs, and Super Anti-Oxidants. The Fish Oil Tabs were massive like torpedos, it said to take between 1 and 3, so i took 3 before going to bed, and 1 each of the other two..... I was up at 03:00 throwing up, stomach cramps, i felt like crap. Managed to get up for work, felt better, so took another 3 Fish oil tabs, and another 1 each of the other two, together with 1/2 pint of Tropicana smooth fresh orange juice. 10:30 i was in the toilet at work throwing up, had to leave to come home, i looked as white as a ghost, i couldn't get home in time so had to stop off at the mother-in-laws to throw up, and went to bed at her house from 11:00 - 17:00, and was up around 4 times throwing up between those times..... I haven't taken any tabs since, and 'touch wood' i've been fine. I've therefore ditched the tabs, and plan on trying to reduce the amount of Mc D's i consume (as apparently its really carcinogenic) and plan on eatine more healthy food with loads of fruit which i really adore... I've also started drinking tea this week (as apparently is loaded with antioxidants) even though i've never touched the stuff in the past and i'm 35
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RE: Vitamins 'may shorten your life' - Apr. 16 2008 16:18:11
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ORIGINAL: James I need to pull the full study to comment fully - but looks like it's a biggy as it's a meta-analysis. I wonder if there's an abbreviated review Although for the main I'm sure there may be some truth, I'd like to see which studies were used, as there are some antioxidants which have uses in certain conditions, eg vitmain C and stomach cancer, beta carotene in sq cell lung cancer, etc Well, as I know you love him soooo much, this is what Patrick Holford had to say (amongst other things): quote:
Anti-oxidants ARE important for good health An extensive body of scientific research has shown that taking antioxidant supplements consistently over the long-term, can play a role in reducing the risk of chronic disease, therefore an updated meta-analysis published in the Cochrane Database of Systematic Reviews1 should not cause consumers to question the efficacy or safety of antioxidant supplements. Patrick Holford one of the UK’s leading nutrition experts who provides the latest information on nutrition research on his website www.patrickholford.com, comments on the review, which claims potential harm from taking antioxidant supplements: “It’s a stitch up. If you look objectively at all the studies reviewed, which were chosen strictly for reducing mortality, and not for the many other benefits reported in other studies, Bjekalovic et al conclude ‘Beta-carotene, vitamin A and vitamin C, used singly or in combination with other antioxidants had no significant effect (on mortality)’, although a number of vitamin C studies did report reduced mortality. . . and that ‘selenium used singly or in combination with other antioxidants significantly decreased mortality’”. The only way this review could produce the negative results was by finding reasons to exclude most of the positive studies, including all the positive ones on selenium. Their basis for exclusion in a previous meta-analysis published in JAMA (Journal of the American Medical Association) has been heavily criticized in mainstream medical journals. One of the world’s leading experts in this field, Dr Balz Frei, said “This is a flawed analysis of flawed data, and it does little to help us understand the real health effects of antioxidants, whether beneficial or otherwise2.” Moreover, although the authors claimed to be assessing antioxidant supplements for the prevention of mortality, they excluded all studies – 405 of them – that reported no deaths. Patrick Holford says, “Anti-oxidants are not meant to be magic bullets and should not be expected to undo a lifetime of unhealthy habits. But when used properly, in combination with eating a healthy diet full of fruit and vegetables, getting plenty of exercise and not smoking, antioxidant supplements can play an important role in maintaining and promoting overall health.” In practical terms this means that beta-carotene supplements, as we already knew, are best not taken singly by smokers. Vitamin E in high doses, should not be taken by those on cholesterol lowering medication. (These drugs stop you making CoQ10 turning vitamin E from an antioxidant into a potentially harmful oxidant.) Selenium and vitamin C are the most likely to be beneficial. Patrick says, “I take, and will continue to take an all-round antioxidant supplementing containing these nutrients as well as CoQ10, lipoic acid and resveratrol (the ‘red wine’ factor) and also eat a diet high in fruit and vegetables.”
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RE: Vitamins 'may shorten your life' - Apr. 16 2008 20:41:05
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Tony - urgh I'm gonna hate myself, but he has a point here, and very good point in that the data was selected. Also he's right in that the study is limited as it only looks at mortality (though no doubt the authors noted this themselves). (I'm gonna go an wash my hands now for typing such filth)
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RE: Vitamins 'may shorten your life' - Apr. 16 2008 21:13:25
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ive been watching the news and updates on this, as i give my kids vitamin tabs im a little concerned now tbh. the point being made seems to be "IF" people take too many vits it may be harmfull,but taking the right amount would be safe and ok, do i have this right? difficult to say what is the "right amount",if taking diet inbto concideration i mean how are you supposed to know exactly what vitamins and minerals are in your diet how do you determine what is a safe amount?
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RE: Vitamins 'may shorten your life' - Apr. 16 2008 21:25:28
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My father in law decided to ring me to tell me this whilst I could hear him puffing on his ciggie
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RE: Vitamins 'may shorten your life' - Apr. 16 2008 21:26:41
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Read this in one of the free papers on the train today. The ones which showed most damage were Vit A and Vit E. forgot why though but the article read about 6 or so sentances.
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RE: Vitamins 'may shorten your life' - Apr. 16 2008 21:26:48
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lmao bless him
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RE: Vitamins 'may shorten your life' - Apr. 16 2008 21:28:53
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thanks stone ill look into that mate. i did hear a dietition on the news say that vitamin c seemed to have no ill effects. she then went on to say NOONE should be allowed to sell vitamins to the public,because of these new concerns
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RE: Vitamins 'may shorten your life' - Apr. 16 2008 22:48:02
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ORIGINAL: kitty My father in law decided to ring me to tell me this whilst I could hear him puffing on his ciggie I seem to recall you saying ages ago that either your father-in-law or grandfather was Irish and was giving you diet advice while eating slabs of real butter
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RE: Vitamins 'may shorten your life' - Apr. 16 2008 22:56:14
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Whats next chicken kills you,eggs give you heart disease. I think theres new science on food everyday,ive heard one day to eat alot of fruit as it may make your life longer,and another day ive read fruit can spark of cancer. It just goes on and on and on. They will probly be telling us next, to do class A drugs all day to give us a better life.
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RE: Vitamins 'may shorten your life' - Apr. 16 2008 23:16:35
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just been watching a program about this. the problem was with 'large quantities' not a one a day which most people take.
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RE: Vitamins 'may shorten your life' - Apr. 16 2008 23:31:14
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Would love to take a week off work to read all the cited research and look up all the conflicting research for their citations. To me it seems pretty simple i'll use the example of red wine. Drink it daily in low volumes and its proven to be good for you drink to much (excessive and it's damaging to you health). Seems reasonable to say the same about any Vitamins and minerals but they give no values for the doseages that are harmful.
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RE: Vitamins 'may shorten your life' - Apr. 17 2008 0:09:37
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ORIGINAL: ginasmg she then went on to say NOONE should be allowed to sell vitamins to the public,because of these new concerns hmm, are the big pharma companies still putting pressure anywhere for vitamin etc to be banned, I'm just wondering whose 'agenda' is being served here?
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RE: Vitamins 'may shorten your life' - Apr. 17 2008 8:06:12
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you eat a bowl of cereal - impregnated with 100% RDA of every vitamin you drink a fruit drink - impreganted with vitamins, maybe to the tune of 50-80% RDA you eat a few more processed snacks that are impregnated with vitmamins wtf?! recommended daily allowance? with food manufacturers pumping vitamins in most food stuffs your probably eating about 500% RDA easily (average joe diet). is this actually healthy? look on boxes of food the average joe eats and work out how much they are taking it
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RE: Vitamins 'may shorten your life' - Apr. 17 2008 8:57:35
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ORIGINAL: James Tony - urgh I'm gonna hate myself, but he has a point here, and very good point in that the data was selected. Also he's right in that the study is limited as it only looks at mortality (though no doubt the authors noted this themselves). (I'm gonna go an wash my hands now for typing such filth)
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