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RE: Guns in universities - Apr. 17 2008 23:10:06
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In a word....No
Reason being some people just wouldnt feel safe having a guy next to you with a pistol on his jeans, maybe security employed by the university and full time survallience during school hours
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RE: Guns in universities - Apr. 17 2008 23:11:11
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Newsbeat has been to Utah to investigate the only state in the country where it's legal to carry guns on college campuses.
They don't see where they're going wrong. 
They should ban guns from being carried in the U.S, but what are ya gonna do?  I guess it's hard to seize thousands of guns from homes.
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RE: Guns in universities - Apr. 17 2008 23:14:15
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Banning mcdonalds is more likely than banning guns in the US. there has only been 27 constitutional ammendments in 200 odd years and i could never see "the right to bear arms" ever being changed
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RE: Guns in universities - Apr. 17 2008 23:18:22
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Banning mcdonalds is more likely than banning guns in the US. there has only been 27 constitutional ammendments in 200 odd years and i could never see "the right to bear arms" ever being changed
Yeah. People would probably get them anways if they wanted. They manage to get them here.
It made me think, though. If ever the U.S's army got destroyed in a war or the country got invaded, they'd probably get the civilians to kill their enemy if their army was already in action(like now?).
More people would live if Maccies was banned as opposed to banning guns. 
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RE: Guns in universities - Apr. 17 2008 23:22:44
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More people would live if Maccies was banned as opposed to banning guns.
I think your on to something!. i would love to do a study on that, only problem is scientifically proving the link between maccy d's and a death.
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RE: Guns in universities - Apr. 18 2008 6:26:09
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Guns don't stop you getting shot. No guns does.
It's an unlikeable side to America, their morbid fascination with guns.
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RE: Guns in universities - Apr. 18 2008 6:29:06
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the answer to the dilemma is to tighten the guns laws not to bring more guns in
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RE: Guns in universities - Apr. 18 2008 9:00:18
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the answer to the dilemma is to tighten the guns laws not to bring more guns in
This has been hugely successful in the UK after all.....
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RE: Guns in universities - Apr. 18 2008 9:22:39
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the answer to the dilemma is to tighten the guns laws not to bring more guns in
yes, after dunblane the UK is a safer place with no gun crime!!!
oh wait...
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RE: Guns in universities - Apr. 18 2008 9:34:31
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the answer to the dilemma is to tighten the guns laws not to bring more guns in
This has been hugely successful in the UK after all.....
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Gun deaths from murder and accidents, figures from 2006:
USA: 10,117. UK: 210.
Reasonably successful, I'd say, when you compare the two countries. Also worth bearing in mind that per year more people are murdered in Chicago than in the whole of the UK.
"The level of gun ownership world-wide is directly related to murder and suicide rates and specifically to the level of death by gunfire." Professor Martin Killias, study in the International Correlation between gun ownership and rates of homicide and suicide.
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RE: Guns in universities - Apr. 18 2008 9:58:42
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"He said: "There have been a couple of times in my life where I've been wishing I had a way to defend myself."
the fact that he is still alive suggests he didnt really need to defend himself or already did defend himself successfully with ut the use of a firearm, i would not enjoy an environment such as in the university
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RE: Guns in universities - Apr. 18 2008 10:46:08
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A mate of mine in college used to have a sawn off shottie in his boot.
He used to swear he would use it if the teachers ever gave him a hard time, was always worried about it as he used to play up in the classes.
Hes completely lost his mind now though, wonders around not really knowing who he is, not a druggie either, just completely broken.
Would i have felt safer if someone else had a gun? Nope.
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RE: Guns in universities - Apr. 18 2008 10:48:51
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I wouldnt feel safer at all if everyone had guns but at the Virginia tech shootings if someone had of had a gun maybe people could have been saved. I like the idea of armed guards. Guns certainly arent for everyone.
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RE: Guns in universities - Apr. 18 2008 10:51:37
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I wouldnt feel safer at all if everyone had guns but at the Virginia tech shootings if someone had of had a gun maybe people could have been saved. I like the idea of armed guards. Guns certainly arent for everyone.
Agreed, if there was a properly trained armed guard there though, wouldnt the shooter have gone for him first anyway?
These things are always reported as pre-meditated with months of planning.
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RE: Guns in universities - Apr. 18 2008 12:23:12
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As a university employee, the idea of guns-for-all on campus sounds nothing short of horrific to me.
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RE: Guns in universities - Apr. 18 2008 12:30:14
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Gun deaths from murder and accidents, figures from 2006:
USA: 10,117. UK: 210.
Reasonably successful, I'd say, when you compare the two countries. Also worth bearing in mind that per year more people are murdered in Chicago than in the whole of the UK.
"The level of gun ownership world-wide is directly related to murder and suicide rates and specifically to the level of death by gunfire." Professor Martin Killias, study in the International Correlation between gun ownership and rates of homicide and suicide.
Would it not be better to compare the number of gun deaths pre and post gun law changes to see the impact, rather than comparing apples & oranges?
As for Prof Killias, alas the data he drew his conclusion from doesn't support it....
Norway has very high levels of gun ownership and a very low rate of gun crime. Same story in Finland, Aus, NZ, Switzerland. The Netherlands have a very low rate of gun ownership, but quite a high rate of gun crime. Northern Ireland the same.
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RE: Guns in universities - Apr. 18 2008 13:01:41
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Gun deaths from murder and accidents, figures from 2006:
USA: 10,117. UK: 210.
Reasonably successful, I'd say, when you compare the two countries. Also worth bearing in mind that per year more people are murdered in Chicago than in the whole of the UK.
"The level of gun ownership world-wide is directly related to murder and suicide rates and specifically to the level of death by gunfire." Professor Martin Killias, study in the International Correlation between gun ownership and rates of homicide and suicide.
Would it not be better to compare the number of gun deaths pre and post gun law changes to see the impact, rather than comparing apples & oranges?
As for Prof Killias, alas the data he drew his conclusion from doesn't support it....
Norway has very high levels of gun ownership and a very low rate of gun crime. Same story in Finland, Aus, NZ, Switzerland. The Netherlands have a very low rate of gun ownership, but quite a high rate of gun crime. Northern Ireland the same.
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Well, that's a fair comment, I suppose. However, you may be surprised to learn that the gun control legislation passed in the wake of Dunblane was followed by a 50% reduction in gun-related deaths in the UK. Although there has been a slight increase in recent years, the current level remains over 40% below that for the last year before this legislation came into effect.
And actually, Professor Killias' data are supported by worldwide data. There is a significant correlation between murder rates and gun ownership. This doesn't mean there can't be statistical outliers (there always are), that correlation means a perfect +1.0 relationship, or that his study does not have its limitations, but overall his statement is well-supported by the data.
Switzerland and Norway are not even outliers to the degree you might suppose on this correlation (they are outliers to some extent, for sure, but perhaps not quite to the degree you imagine). Both countries have murder rates (per million of population) around double that of England and Wales, and gun-related murder rates 4 or 5 times higher (NZ's and Aus's murder rates are over 3 times that of England and Wales,and their gun-related murder rates over 5 times higher).
One real outlier in terms of overall murder rate, incidentally, is Scotland, with a murder rate almost 3 times that of England and Wales but presumably similar levels of gun ownership. However, Scotland's gun-related murder rate remains very low by world standards, and lower than any other country examined in Killias' study except England and Wales. I am not convinced the extremely high gun-related murder rate in NI could be considered as outlying either considering the level of gun-related paramilitary activity it has experienced for many years.
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RE: Guns in universities - Apr. 18 2008 13:30:41
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Newsbeat has been to Utah to investigate the only state in the country where it's legal to carry guns on college campuses.
They don't see where they're going wrong.
They should ban guns from being carried in the U.S, but what are ya gonna do? I guess it's hard to seize thousands of guns from homes.
The fecking guns were bought illegely by the guy that done the shootings.
What everyone needs to wake up and realise that most gun crime is commited by illegaly obtained firearms. look at britain for exampel hadnguns are banned, and most other firearms too if not extermly difficult to obtain. Yet gun crime goes up and up and up. Banning things is just the easy way out for the government and discriminates against honest law abiding shooters rather than getting down to the nitty gritty and solving the problem.
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