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why dont you do the typical whey dextrose pwo? - Apr. 18 2008 17:16:20
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why dont you do the typical whey dextrose pwo?
what do you do instead?
what is this decision based on?
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RE: why dont you do the typical whey dextrose pwo? - Apr. 18 2008 17:18:23
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why dont you do the typical whey dextrose pwo?
Gives me hypo attacks and i see no need for it, so i just use whey PWO (i didnt even use a PWO for 6 weeks and noticed no difference)
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what do you do instead?
Just a scoop of whey (90+)
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what is this decision based on?
an assumption that the body is neither carb depleted unless you go for deplete training and that also if you're eating every 3 hours the stomach isnt really empty and there will still be freeform aminos in the blood
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RE: why dont you do the typical whey dextrose pwo? - Apr. 18 2008 17:21:08
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Thank you
why do you whey then???
is it that feeling that you would rather have too much than not enough?
doesnt your approach work in opposite to the idea that carbs should be timed around training for optimum body composition?
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RE: why dont you do the typical whey dextrose pwo? - Apr. 18 2008 17:23:22
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I have whey because James says so 
As for too much vs not enough, you can only eat so much protein before youre physically sick anyway as its very very filling
Yes carbs should be around training but i dont see a need for most training to knock back processed sugars when recovery and growth will be no different IMO if you just eat a large meal 45 mins to an hour later
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RE: why dont you do the typical whey dextrose pwo? - Apr. 18 2008 17:28:13
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I have whey because James says so
As for too much vs not enough, you can only eat so much protein before youre physically sick anyway as its very very filling
Yes carbs should be around training but i dont see a need for most training to knock back processed sugars when recovery and growth will be no different IMO if you just eat a large meal 45 mins to an hour later
Tio, if this is correct, (and im not saying it aint) why do we all knock back dex and malto PWO? and why does everyone bang on about thier PWO "shake" ie. whey, dex etc? Just interested mate. 
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RE: why dont you do the typical whey dextrose pwo? - Apr. 18 2008 17:30:50
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sorry mate lol edited now
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RE: why dont you do the typical whey dextrose pwo? - Apr. 18 2008 17:33:06
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Yes carbs should be around training but i dont see a need for most training to knock back processed sugars when recovery and growth will be no different IMO if you just eat a large meal 45 mins to an hour later
based on what ?
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RE: why dont you do the typical whey dextrose pwo? - Apr. 18 2008 17:34:53
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Tio, if this is correct, (and im not saying it aint) why do we all knock back dex and malto PWO? and why does everyone bang on about thier PWO "shake" ie. whey, dex etc? Just interested mate.
Because its what been shown scientifically to me "optimal' and IMo this is what everyone is caught up with.
Look at BB'ers of yesteryear when this stuff wasnt around, still physiques were made all the same.
Im a cynic by nature, people bang on about whey and dextrose etc being fast whereas ill have pancakes, thats a 3 protein blend with a fast carb yet i got this (  ) smiley when i said it. Does the same jb plus full of better nutrients and lets face if if PWO is such an important time why not knock back food that is far better nutritionally then some perhaps nutrient void supp powder?
thats just my views, dont take it as gospel though 
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RE: why dont you do the typical whey dextrose pwo? - Apr. 18 2008 17:37:08
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Yes carbs should be around training but i dont see a need for most training to knock back processed sugars when recovery and growth will be no different IMO if you just eat a large meal 45 mins to an hour later
based on what ?
based on quite a few BB'ers not using the modern day inventions like Malto and Dex. Ive yet to see any scientific evidence to compare how supps give better recovery/growth better than their whole food counterparts yet alone real world evidence
Granted some people grow very well indeed on sugars and i dont dispute that
I also dropped PWO for 6 weeks and when i started training i never even had one for a whole year. Didnt do Ronnie any harm, nor Serge.
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RE: why dont you do the typical whey dextrose pwo? - Apr. 18 2008 17:49:27
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Interesting mate, all i know is ive always done it from starting training, but does it make a diff? i dont know cause ive never done it without. Although one of my mates Never had PWO shake etc, or even a proper diet so to speak and he put on massive amounts of lean muscle with no "assistance" so to speak.
He was only 19 at the time so that may have been some thing to do with it but he never ate great as he had no money, he ate what he could when he could and it hasnt held him back at all so maybe diet isnt that important.
I do tend to agree that following a decent nutrious diet will in the long run provide a better platform to build upon. although i do think there is to much made about macro's, timings, and diet in general, for the average trainer especially.
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RE: why dont you do the typical whey dextrose pwo? - Apr. 18 2008 17:49:28
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based on quite a few BB'ers not using the modern day inventions like Malto and Dex. Ive yet to see any scientific evidence to compare how supps give better recovery/growthrecovery/growth. plenty of support on the former. the quicker you recover the better the growth ?? difference is very small tho better than their whole food counterparts
Granted some people grow very well indeed on sugars and i dont dispute that
I also dropped PWO for 6 weeks and when i started training i never even had one for a whole year. Didnt do Ronnie any harm, nor Serge. unfair to compare aside genetic freaks
Im a cynic by nature, people bang on about whey and dextrose etc being fast whereas ill have pancakes, thats a 3 protein blend with a fast carb yet i got this ( ) smiley when i said it. Does the same jb plus full of better nutrients and lets face if if PWO is such an important time why not knock back food that is far better nutritionally then some perhaps nutrient void supp powder?the demands of pwo are wholly differentto when i'm sitting on my ass
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RE: why dont you do the typical whey dextrose pwo? - Apr. 18 2008 18:11:47
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based on quite a few BB'ers not using the modern day inventions like Malto and Dex. Ive yet to see any scientific evidence to compare how supps give better recovery/growthrecovery/growth. plenty of support on the former. the quicker you recover the better the growth ?? difference is very small tho better than their whole food counterparts
Granted some people grow very well indeed on sugars and i dont dispute that
I also dropped PWO for 6 weeks and when i started training i never even had one for a whole year. Didnt do Ronnie any harm, nor Serge. unfair to compare aside genetic freaks
Im a cynic by nature, people bang on about whey and dextrose etc being fast whereas ill have pancakes, thats a 3 protein blend with a fast carb yet i got this ( ) smiley when i said it. Does the same jb plus full of better nutrients and lets face if if PWO is such an important time why not knock back food that is far better nutritionally then some perhaps nutrient void supp powder?[b]the demands of pwo are wholly differentto when i'm sitting on my ass
This is where is does my head in mate, I train early in the morning, so how should i adjust my carbs throughout the day, i eat a decent amount before the workout and LOADS afterwards but what a bout the rest of the day when im sat on my ass?
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RE: why dont you do the typical whey dextrose pwo? - Apr. 18 2008 18:17:19
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This is where is does my head in mate, I train early in the morning, so how should i adjust my carbs throughout the day, i eat a decent amount before the workout and LOADS afterwards but what a bout the rest of the day when im sat on my ass?
Protein with a bit of fat and plenty of veg
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RE: why dont you do the typical whey dextrose pwo? - Apr. 18 2008 18:20:33
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Haven't taken ANY supplements in the last two months and haven't noticed any adverse affects. Think I will just save my money for real food.
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RE: why dont you do the typical whey dextrose pwo? - Apr. 18 2008 18:25:05
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This is where is does my head in mate, I train early in the morning, so how should i adjust my carbs throughout the day, i eat a decent amount before the workout and LOADS afterwards but what a bout the rest of the day when im sat on my ass?
heavy carb intake around workout and balanced meals throught the day
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RE: why dont you do the typical whey dextrose pwo? - Apr. 18 2008 18:32:15
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This is where is does my head in mate, I train early in the morning, so how should i adjust my carbs throughout the day, i eat a decent amount before the workout and LOADS afterwards but what a bout the rest of the day when im sat on my ass?
heavy carb intake around workout and balanced meals throught the day
This is where is varies mate, whats a balanced meal? I know the macros for my diet, ie. a sample meal would be a chicken breast, 100g or wholegrain rice and brocilli and greens beans with some sauce but what would you say is a "balanced" meal at say 8pm (this is hours after i have trained). Do i drop the carbs as tio says? by carbs i mean the rice?
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RE: why dont you do the typical whey dextrose pwo? - Apr. 18 2008 18:33:23
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why dont you do the typical whey dextrose pwo? Because I don't work out!
what do you do instead? See above.
what is this decision based on? Do whatever suits you.
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RE: why dont you do the typical whey dextrose pwo? - Apr. 18 2008 18:35:32
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This is where is does my head in mate, I train early in the morning, so how should i adjust my carbs throughout the day, i eat a decent amount before the workout and LOADS afterwards but what a bout the rest of the day when im sat on my ass?
Protein with a bit of fat and plenty of veg
By fat mate, would olive oil dressing do on the veg etc?
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RE: why dont you do the typical whey dextrose pwo? - Apr. 18 2008 21:06:26
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I personally don't see the need for it. I will have had a good meal 1-2 hour prior so I just have my nxt meal after. I'ts still often a shake anyway but a whey/oats/oil affair.
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