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RE: Power Clean Q - Apr. 20 2008 9:01:21
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mishima
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Anything above parallel is a powerclean in my book.
First link you've posted is a full clean, second isnt working.
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RE: Power Clean Q - Apr. 20 2008 9:08:09
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Not 100% sure what you mean here as the second link doesn't work. But as I understand it (and bear in mind I know little about this) is there are two different but similar movements - a clean and a powerclean.
A clean is as shown on the first clip, where the lifter goes into a full squat position and stands from there. A powerclean is the same but instead of going to the full squat position the thighs always stay above parallel, the higher the better I believe.
As to the whys and wherefores of the two I do not know. I would suggest you ask either LittleA or Wigan, but very helpful chaps who will know. Tell them I sent you, Better still I will post a link to this thread somewhere they will find it.
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RE: Power Clean Q - Apr. 20 2008 9:32:49
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For the much heavier lifts - the front squat portion seems to come quite early, presumably because theres not enough momentum to carry the bar up above the waist without squatting it up, so to speak. As seen here - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9LfNTiTyiI
For others lifts (in particularly iaink's 100kg here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMFtbIz5bzc ) the rotation seems to come much later in the movement, a front squat pretty much absent from the lift.
Is this merely an individual choice or just due to the weight used?
I agree with Jonathan and Pete I think the first is a full clean, albeit one performed by someone with either poor hip flexibility or lazy technique. There's a full front squat so it isn't a power clean. When you teach the lift a power clean involves at 1/4 squat and properer reception of the bar - i.e. elbows through.
The second would not be what I would use and example, purely because the way the bar is received - there is no recovery phase (1/4 squat to stand) or shoot through with the elbows, and the first pull/transition/second pull isn't classic oly style.
This is a nice example with a bit of progression (second and third lifts), note how the knees bend and elbows come through but that the knees bend more getting closer to the front squat as the weight goes up.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGESkE-GzUE
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RE: Power Clean Q - Apr. 20 2008 10:32:39
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Much appreciated, thanks chaps 
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RE: Power Clean Q - Apr. 20 2008 12:27:36
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My powercleans aint great technique wise. I find it hard to get my elbows up to catch properly. Mines almost a speed deadlift that I lockout to late! 
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RE: Power Clean Q - Apr. 20 2008 13:09:02
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LOL - sounds similar to mine, i just don't have the flexibility in my wrists to catch it in a clean grip.
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RE: Power Clean Q - Apr. 20 2008 19:20:13
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Power clean and squat clean are two distinctly different movements.
Power clean - aim is to catch the bar on the chest / shoulders with as minimal dip as possible, although you should never be catching it on straight legs, they should be slightly bent at the very least. So it is a high pull, elbows through and up and caught on the shoulders. As the weights get heavier they will force you to catch the bar with more and more of a dip. A power clean stops being a power clean once you break parallel, it is then a squat clean.
Video of some power cleaning i had a month or so back. I'm not the best technician in the world but it gives you an idea. The 142.5 is as low as you can go and still count it (just) as a power clean
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TubZExOjvw0
Squat Clean - You will always aim to go straight into a full squat position with these regardless of how high you manage to pull it. You wouldn't for example catch the bar above parallel and then go down into the full squat before recovering.
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RE: Power Clean Q - Apr. 20 2008 22:20:26
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Drew - just wondering, what makes you say that the guy in the first video has poor flexibility or form? I thought it looked ok, but that said I'm not too clued up about the finer points of oly lifting! Thanks mate
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My powercleans aint great technique wise. I find it hard to get my elbows up to catch properly. Mines almost a speed deadlift that I lockout to late!
I've done power cleans in the past and had the same problem. I tended to pull with my arms too much and 'muscle' the weight up, especially with heavier weights
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RE: Power Clean Q - Apr. 21 2008 11:26:04
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Drew - just wondering, what makes you say that the guy in the first video has poor flexibility or form? I thought it looked ok, but that said I'm not too clued up about the finer points of oly lifting! Thanks mate
I just would have like to see his hips a bit lower, if he can handle the weight then fine but Oly lifting is all about technique
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RE: Power Clean Q - Apr. 21 2008 12:36:17
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Wigan you're a star, my mind is now at ease 
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RE: Power Clean Q - Apr. 21 2008 16:43:39
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If you can watch it without putting you first through your computer then this is a decent instructional vid
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlFZ-nWXxy0&feature=related
I would walk away or turn the sound down for the first minute or so though.
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RE: Power Clean Q - Apr. 21 2008 17:17:18
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Lol - i watched that the other day actually
One of my lecturers is a strength & conditioning coach so i had a chat with him today about it, got plenty to think about now
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RE: Power Clean Q - Apr. 21 2008 22:36:23
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Drew - just wondering, what makes you say that the guy in the first video has poor flexibility or form? I thought it looked ok, but that said I'm not too clued up about the finer points of oly lifting! Thanks mate
I just would have like to see his hips a bit lower, if he can handle the weight then fine but Oly lifting is all about technique
I see what you mean. I noticed at 0:04 his lower back appears to round as well
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