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RE: Who Killed 2pac & Biggie?? - Apr. 22 2008 14:03:08
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RE: Who Killed 2pac & Biggie?? - Apr. 22 2008 14:18:48
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couple of interesting points to note
(1) the woman who made the rape accusations against tupac had days earlier given him head in a club and had also previously had sex with him - interesting
(2) according to wikipedia on the death of the 6 year old killed during the shootout: "The child had been the victim of a stray bullet in a shootout between Shakur's entourage and a rival group, though the ballistics tests proved the bullet was not from Shakur or any members of his entourage's guns."
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RE: Who Killed 2pac & Biggie?? - Apr. 22 2008 14:22:36
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couple of interesting points to note
(1) the woman who made the rape accusations against tupac had days earlier given him head in a club and had also previously had sex with him - interesting
(2) according to wikipedia on the death of the 6 year old killed during the shootout: "The child had been the victim of a stray bullet in a shootout between Shakur's entourage and a rival group, though the ballistics tests proved the bullet was not from Shakur or any members of his entourage's guns."
Another interesting point to note is that you lose any credibility arguing points when one of them starts with "according to wikipedia".
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RE: Who Killed 2pac & Biggie?? - Apr. 22 2008 14:25:15
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(2) according to wikipedia on the death of the 6 year old killed during the shootout: "The child had been the victim of a stray bullet in a shootout between Shakur's entourage and a rival group, though the ballistics tests proved the bullet was not from Shakur or any members of his entourage's guns."
Its still reckless and pure luck one of his or his homeboyz bullets didnt hit that child, I understand wanting to defend yourself but both parties are responsible.
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RE: Who Killed 2pac & Biggie?? - Apr. 22 2008 14:26:57
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I think both are better off dead. Their death made them great, if they were around today they would make the same mistakes as everyone else. You have to remember it was a struggle back then for guys like this, nowadays you only need one record deal and your set for life, that has emormous impacts on the music
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RE: Who Killed 2pac & Biggie?? - Apr. 22 2008 14:35:16
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couple of interesting points to note
(1) the woman who made the rape accusations against tupac had days earlier given him head in a club and had also previously had sex with him - interesting
(2) according to wikipedia on the death of the 6 year old killed during the shootout: "The child had been the victim of a stray bullet in a shootout between Shakur's entourage and a rival group, though the ballistics tests proved the bullet was not from Shakur or any members of his entourage's guns."
Another interesting point to note is that you lose any credibility arguing points when one of them starts with "according to wikipedia".
and what source pray tell are you using to prove your theories
unless you were with tupac at the time then your "research" is about as valid as mine
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RE: Who Killed 2pac & Biggie?? - Apr. 22 2008 14:36:18
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It wasn't Suge Knight. Suge Knight was on parole and was incarcerated for parole violation as a result of the fight in the MGM.
If he wanted to have somebody murdered, he could do it far more easily
It was Orlando Anderson (murdered in 1998), the Southside Crip with whom he got into a fistfight in the lobby of the MGM.
Tupac was drunk and rowdy after seeing Mike Tyson fighting, and believed his own bullshit, plus was out to impress Suge (MOB) among others.
Orlando Anderson, like any gang member, didn't like being beaten down and made a fool, especially by people representing the bloods, so he went to his uncles house in Las Vegas who was also a crip, got a gun and shot him on the way to Suge Knight's nightclub.
About Biggie, not certain but I think he was murdered by fanatics, simply because Tupac was murdered. There was an LAPD cop implicated in his murder not so long ago who worshipped Tupac.
The simplest explanations are usually the correct ones.
Cops know most of what happened, but just do not have the evidence to prove it.
They cannot disclose anything because the case isn't closed.
It seems about right what your saying,but i find it odd that the LAPD didnt connect the beating of anderson, as a lead to the murder of 2pac,orlando went on record saying he didnt do it (well he would do) and that he was a massive fan of 2pac,i think it was inevtiable that anderson got killed a few yrs later.
But biggie was clearly killed but an LA cop,as 2 of bigs friends,who were in the car at the time of the shooting pointed out the LAPD officer,so this was either arranged but the bloods or suge knight (maybe because he thought it was biggie that was involved in 2pacs murder) which alot of people think,but having watched the documentry film biggie & 2pac,that makes you believe it was suge knight,for the reason that 2pac was about to leave death row in order to set up his own record label.
But i do not understand how no one has been caught for each of there murders,quite bizarre really,this is the reason that makes me believe suge knight was behind this,because he controlled half of americas drug dealings, he was heavily involved in the LAPD on the west coast.
So if its down to suge and the whole LAPD police department,then thats why i think none of the murders have been resolved,at the most recent trial for biggies murder the judge ruled it a mistrial as he thought the LAPD were holding back evidence.
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RE: Who Killed 2pac & Biggie?? - Apr. 22 2008 14:44:36
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couple of interesting points to note
(1) the woman who made the rape accusations against tupac had days earlier given him head in a club and had also previously had sex with him - interesting
(2) according to wikipedia on the death of the 6 year old killed during the shootout: "The child had been the victim of a stray bullet in a shootout between Shakur's entourage and a rival group, though the ballistics tests proved the bullet was not from Shakur or any members of his entourage's guns."
Another interesting point to note is that you lose any credibility arguing points when one of them starts with "according to wikipedia".
and what source pray tell are you using to prove your theories
unless you were with tupac at the time then your "research" is about as valid as mine
I think people just try to put these things on 2pac to make him look the bad guy and that he deserved to be killed,and theres no way he deserved to be killed,he was a good guy bought up with nothing and made something of himself,2pac was not perfect but who is perfect?
The points SG pointed out are probly facts,i never heard of the little boy story but the rape one makes you laugh as the woman in question was supposedly seen with 2pac on a few occasions before this allegation was made.
C.ronaldo was accused of rape a while ago does that make him a bad person? most of it is just hear say,but if any of us were to grow up in that environment we would probly carry guns and sell drugs etc....
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RE: Who Killed 2pac & Biggie?? - Apr. 22 2008 15:02:59
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The points SG pointed out are probly facts,i never heard of the little boy story but the rape one makes you laugh as the woman in question was supposedly seen with 2pac on a few occasions before this allegation was made.
C.ronaldo was accused of rape a while ago does that make him a bad person? most of it is just hear say,but if any of us were to grow up in that environment we would probly carry guns and sell drugs etc....
So, once a female has slept or even assoicated with you, then it can't be rape is that right? So he grew up in a rough area, carring guns and dealing drugs are an act of personnal choice. Using background to justify it is a failure of character imo
As for the LAPD, well they can't even frame a guilty man.
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RE: Who Killed 2pac & Biggie?? - Apr. 22 2008 15:04:57
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no, the point i was trying to make was - she had consensual sex with him before so the likelihood that it was rape, though not eradicated, does diminish a little imo
plus giving someone head in a crowded club is an indicator as to ones character imo
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RE: Who Killed 2pac & Biggie?? - Apr. 22 2008 15:13:56
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The points SG pointed out are probly facts,i never heard of the little boy story but the rape one makes you laugh as the woman in question was supposedly seen with 2pac on a few occasions before this allegation was made.
C.ronaldo was accused of rape a while ago does that make him a bad person? most of it is just hear say,but if any of us were to grow up in that environment we would probly carry guns and sell drugs etc....
So, once a female has slept or even assoicated with you, then it can't be rape is that right? So he grew up in a rough area, carring guns and dealing drugs are an act of personnal choice. Using background to justify it is a failure of character imo
As for the LAPD, well they can't even frame a guilty man.
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Who said it cant be rape,but it seems very odd when you get females who sleep with celebritys then all of a sudden there claiming rape,why?? well it seems pretty obvious to me.
If you had that much money why would you need to rape a woman? when you could have sex with loads of women who would want you,as for your sentence on carrying guns and dealing drugs in a rough area as a personal choice,well that is so easy to say sitting in front of your computer,but i know if i was getting shot at 5 times while walking the streets i think i would carry a gun for my own safety.Maybe you wouldnt but if someones trying to kill me with a gun,im gonna defend myself.
Its just fortuante where i come from you dont walk down the street and have people shootin at you,it just shows you how much more violent them streets were in them days to nowadays.
But theres know uk streets that were as rough as that at the time.Very easy to sit on here and say what you would and wouldnt do,but while in the postion i can gurantee your actions would be different.
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RE: Who Killed 2pac & Biggie?? - Apr. 22 2008 15:27:47
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It wasn't Suge Knight. Suge Knight was on parole and was incarcerated for parole violation as a result of the fight in the MGM.
If he wanted to have somebody murdered, he could do it far more easily
It was Orlando Anderson (murdered in 1998), the Southside Crip with whom he got into a fistfight in the lobby of the MGM.
Tupac was drunk and rowdy after seeing Mike Tyson fighting, and believed his own bullshit, plus was out to impress Suge (MOB) among others.
Orlando Anderson, like any gang member, didn't like being beaten down and made a fool, especially by people representing the bloods, so he went to his uncles house in Las Vegas who was also a crip, got a gun and shot him on the way to Suge Knight's nightclub.
About Biggie, not certain but I think he was murdered by fanatics, simply because Tupac was murdered. There was an LAPD cop implicated in his murder not so long ago who worshipped Tupac.
The simplest explanations are usually the correct ones.
Cops know most of what happened, but just do not have the evidence to prove it.
They cannot disclose anything because the case isn't closed.
It seems about right what your saying,but i find it odd that the LAPD didnt connect the beating of anderson, as a lead to the murder of 2pac,orlando went on record saying he didnt do it (well he would do) and that he was a massive fan of 2pac,i think it was inevtiable that anderson got killed a few yrs later.
But biggie was clearly killed but an LA cop,as 2 of bigs friends,who were in the car at the time of the shooting pointed out the LAPD officer,so this was either arranged but the bloods or suge knight (maybe because he thought it was biggie that was involved in 2pacs murder) which alot of people think,but having watched the documentry film biggie & 2pac,that makes you believe it was suge knight,for the reason that 2pac was about to leave death row in order to set up his own record label.
But i do not understand how no one has been caught for each of there murders,quite bizarre really,this is the reason that makes me believe suge knight was behind this,because he controlled half of americas drug dealings, he was heavily involved in the LAPD on the west coast.
So if its down to suge and the whole LAPD police department,then thats why i think none of the murders have been resolved,at the most recent trial for biggies murder the judge ruled it a mistrial as he thought the LAPD were holding back evidence.
They did connect it as a lead mate.
Thats how the whole background of the fight came up.
Someone in the DeathRow crew or one of Tupac's acquantances was assaulted at a Footlocker store (shoe shop) and had his chain snatched.
Supposedly thats why the fight in the MGM lobby started as Tupac had recognised the guy.
I can't really think of any other reason why the fight would have started, apart from maybe him insulting Tupac.
And I don't think he was wearing crip colours on the beatdown video, but its hard to see
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=We9NEnBky2A
Also, Anderson's murder had nothing to do with the case. It was a personal dispute at a car wash over drugs/money, somebody unloaded a few rounds into him and drove off.
Other points:
There is nobody who controls half of America's drug dealings.
Suge Knight wouldn't even be able to control half of Los Angeles drug dealings, not to mind half of Californias
The guy was an American Footballer turned bodyguard turned debt collector turned Record Company CEO.
He was never actually a Blood gang member from what I've read, he was left alone because of his chances at a football career.
Its true that he was heavily involved with the LAPD, but this isn't some kind of criminal mastermind Al Capone thing. Its more simple than that and ties into the reason for the LAPD's reluctance to co-operate on the case.
Basically, lots of LAPD officers were doing bodyguard work when off-duty and carrying guns for Death Row Records.
It was in the LAPDs interest that as little attention as possible was brought to that and other facts.
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RE: Who Killed 2pac & Biggie?? - Apr. 22 2008 15:41:46
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In the biggie and 2pac documentry the reporter reports that he was involved in half of the states drug dealings,i dont know if it is a fact,but it also seems very odd why snoop believes suge was the man who orchestrated his murder,does he know something we dont know (more than likely) also snoop had fallen out with 2pac just before his murder over snoop stating he thought the feud with biggie was over the top and biggie was cool.
It would be be nice to find out the whole truth but being honest i doubt we ever will,theres probly a few people out there who know the whole truth and thats how it will probly stay.
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RE: Who Killed 2pac & Biggie?? - Apr. 22 2008 15:41:51
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If you had that much money why would you need to rape a woman? when you could have sex with loads of women who would want you
Rape is not about need. It's about consent. When you have it offered on a plate, you often loose interest is that not the case? I have no idea what happened in this case, but I doubt your judgement that this is a 'good guy'. Is there anyone in this story who is a good person really?
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sentence on carrying guns and dealing drugs in a rough area as a personal choice,well that is so easy to say sitting in front of your computer,but i know if i was getting shot at 5 times while walking the streets i think i would carry a gun for my own safety.Maybe you wouldnt but if someones trying to kill me with a gun,im gonna defend myself.
Its just fortuante where i come from you dont walk down the street and have people shootin at you,it just shows you how much more violent them streets were in them days to nowadays.
But theres know uk streets that were as rough as that at the time.Very easy to sit on here and say what you would and wouldnt do,but while in the postion i can gurantee your actions would be different.
Carrying a gun didn't make him any safer now did it? Everyone who grows up in a bad place does not automatically deal drugs & carry guns. That is a choice. A lot of this 'bad ass' gun carring and shooting seems more like part of record marketing than anything else.
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RE: Who Killed 2pac & Biggie?? - Apr. 22 2008 15:45:15
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Its your oppinion but, i disagree.
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RE: Who Killed 2pac & Biggie?? - Apr. 22 2008 16:54:28
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by half of the states i believe the meaning is the state he was living in - ie mississippi state, new york state etc
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RE: Who Killed 2pac & Biggie?? - Apr. 22 2008 17:01:22
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couple of interesting points to note
(1) the woman who made the rape accusations against tupac had days earlier given him head in a club and had also previously had sex with him - interesting
(2) according to wikipedia on the death of the 6 year old killed during the shootout: "The child had been the victim of a stray bullet in a shootout between Shakur's entourage and a rival group, though the ballistics tests proved the bullet was not from Shakur or any members of his entourage's guns."
Another interesting point to note is that you lose any credibility arguing points when one of them starts with "according to wikipedia".
and what source pray tell are you using to prove your theories
unless you were with tupac at the time then your "research" is about as valid as mine
I'm not using any source, I haven't got a clue who killed either of them, but I could go to wikipedia right now, edit the page and write some bull about who did, then would your statement of "According to wikipedia..." still be correct?
I'm not meaning to be a dick, but I don't understand how people can use wikipedia as a valid source when pretty much anyone can change something on any of the pages on there.
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RE: Who Killed 2pac & Biggie?? - Apr. 22 2008 17:09:36
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according to my brother in law, they are both trapped in some sort of parallel world. in communication via his iPod he informs us that they are alive, well and recording the Biggest Album Ever. of course he is not well, but this keeps him feeling safe
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RE: Who Killed 2pac & Biggie?? - Apr. 22 2008 17:12:09
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i didnt say its on wikipedia so its true
everything we discuss about biggie and tupacs murders will always be hearsay and conjecture
although having said that the statement about the ballistics report is on most websites that have a report as to the unlawful death of the child
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