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RE: Who Killed 2pac & Biggie?? - Apr. 22 2008 17:15:55
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C.ronaldo was accused of rape a while ago does that make him a bad person? most of it is just hear say,but if any of us were to grow up in that environment we would probly carry guns and sell drugs etc....
And Van Persie and Kluivert any others lol?
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RE: Who Killed 2pac & Biggie?? - Apr. 22 2008 17:16:58
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Rape is not about need. It's about consent. When you have it offered on a plate, you often loose interest is that not the case?
Thats true man. Why is that?
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RE: Who Killed 2pac & Biggie?? - Apr. 22 2008 17:20:31
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In the biggie and 2pac documentry the reporter reports that he was involved in half of the states drug dealings,i dont know if it is a fact,but it also seems very odd why snoop believes suge was the man who orchestrated his murder,does he know something we dont know (more than likely) also snoop had fallen out with 2pac just before his murder over snoop stating he thought the feud with biggie was over the top and biggie was cool.
It would be be nice to find out the whole truth but being honest i doubt we ever will,theres probly a few people out there who know the whole truth and thats how it will probly stay.
Half the states - should read half of the state's drug dealings (referring to half the state of california) which is a gross exaggeration at best. Anybody who imagines Suge Knight has that kind of power/trust/influence is daydreaming and simply buying into the propaganda on the deathrow records etc.
Besides how would he manage it.
To run a drug operation that big would take some level of organisation.
If you read the book, the rise and fall of Death Row Records, you get a good picture of what was going on most of the time.
Bullying and intimidation of artists.
Gangsters and lowlifes, friends of Suges, hanging around the studio all day.
Nate Dogg said everyday he worked at DeathRow records, he never went without a gun.
Dr.Dre left the most succesful Rap label in History at the peak of its success out of sheer intimidation.
He left behind all his master records, awards, and didn't get any money for the company he co-founded and ultimately made a success.
More than anything, Suge Knight believed his own importance, knew some gangsters, had some cops on his payroll, gave petty jobs to lowlife friends, could arrange contracts etc., but certainly would not be a crime boss by any interpretation of the word.
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Snoop opinions are based on fear and revenge.
Snoop and Tha Dogg Pound were shot at on the set of New York, New York.
Snoop got booed at the MTV Music Awards.
Snoops album 'Tha Dogfather' was a big dissapointment in terms of sales.
The polarisation which was boosting Tupac's record sales was helping to kill Snoop's record sales (besides the fact that Dre had departed from Deathrow and not worked on Tha Doggfather).
Suge released an album called 'Dead Man Walking' of unreleased songs from Snoops first album 'Doggystyle' without paying Snoop any royalties.
Suge kept all royalties from Doggystyle after Snoop defected to Master P's label in the South.
Suge released a whole barrage of comments through the media against Snoop dog, Snoop never retaliated.
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RE: Who Killed 2pac & Biggie?? - Apr. 22 2008 17:33:05
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RE: Who Killed 2pac & Biggie?? - Apr. 22 2008 17:36:55
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Pat butcher done it after 4 large vodkas
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RE: Who Killed 2pac & Biggie?? - Apr. 22 2008 17:47:35
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dan nukem knows his stuff..the rise and fall of death row records is a good book.
In an interview i saw on a dvd, tupac make it quite clear he didnt rape her, but the girl was left in the room with his entourage after tupac had left, and he said something must have/could have happened then.
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RE: Who Killed 2pac & Biggie?? - Apr. 22 2008 18:01:11
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RE: Who Killed 2pac & Biggie?? - Apr. 22 2008 18:53:38
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RE: Who Killed 2pac & Biggie?? - Apr. 22 2008 18:57:58
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On all that type are the same,they act bad then moan when others treat them bad,its easy to be a bad role model,serves em right coming to a messy end for preaching hate and violence,let alone every chav they have helped create
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RE: Who Killed 2pac & Biggie?? - Apr. 22 2008 18:59:42
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Live by the gun, die by the gun. Don't really care who off'd him.
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RE: Who Killed 2pac & Biggie?? - Apr. 22 2008 19:08:18
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Heres some quotes as said by 2pac himself................
Quotes from Tupac Shakur aka 2Pac
"I believe that everything that you do bad comes back to you. So everything that I do that's bad, I'm going to suffer from it. But in my mind, I believe what I'm doing is right. So I feel like I'm going to heaven."
"I feel like Black Jesus got his hands on me and guides me through life to put me where I'm supposed to be..."
"I feel like role models today are not meant to be put on a pedestal. But more like angels with broken wings"
"It always happens, all the niggaz that change the world die, they dont get to die like regular people, they die violently"
"We talk a lot about Malcom X and Martin Luther King JR, but It's time to be like them, as strong as them. They were mortal men like us and everyone of us can be like them. I don't want to be a role model. I just want to be someone who says, this is who i am, this is what i do. I say what's on my mind%quot;
"I am societies child, this is how they made me, and now im sayin what's on my mind and they dont want that. This is what you made me America."
"The only thing America respects is power and power concedes nothing. After the LA Riots, they tried to calm us down and nothing changed since"
"Though are hands are chained like they are, they haven't taken music from us yet. So that's how I'll fight. People tell me don't quit like everyone else. I wont have no fear."
"If God wanted me to be quiet he would've never showed me what he does."
"The only thing that comes to a sleeping man is dreams."
"Reality is wrong. Dreams are for real."
"Let me say for the record, I am not a gangster and never have been. Im not the thief who grabs your purse. Im not the guy who jacks your car. Im not down with the people who steal and hurt others. Im just a brother who fights back."
"The real tragedy is that there are some ignorant brothers out here. That's why I'm not on this all-White or all Black ****. I'm on this all-real or all fake **** with people, whatever color you are. Because niggaz will do you. I mean, there's some [foul] niggaz out there [in the streets]; the same niggaz that did Malcolm X, the same niggaz that did Jesus Christ- every brother ain't a brother. They will do you. So just because it's Black, don't mean it's cool. And just because it's White don't mean it's evil."
"We are in the midst of a very dangerous, non-productive, self-destructive civil war. And it's not just rap ****. It's ideals. And this rap **** is just bringin' it to a head. The East Coast believe one thing, and the West Coast believer one thing. The East Coast got one way of life, the West Coast got another wayof life, it always co-existed. We're coming to the turn of the century where we gotta mash together. But we can only do it one way, one style. And that's what we're trying to figure out now, and I think the world is watching that."
"Imperfection is inherited, therefore we all sin, but fighting the war of sin is the greatest war of all because we all die in the end no matter how hard we fight."
"I never thought I was the best rapper the best nothing'. I think I'm the realist nigga out there"
"If you walked by a street and you was walking a concrete and you saw a rose growing from concrete, even if it had messed up petals and it was a little to the side you would marvel at just seeing a rose grow through concrete. So way is it that when you see some ghetto kid grow out of the dirtiest circumstance and he can talk and he can sit across the room and make you cry, make you laugh, all you can talk about is my dirty rose, my dirty stems and how am leaning crooked to the side, u can't even see that I've come up from out of that"
"I don't bang for the color or the land. I bang for the principles and for the honor. I'm bangin' for the Westside- this is in my heart, this is how I feel."
"Can't nobody touch me right now. Maybe next month all of this will be over. But this month I'm takin' every movin' target out."
"To me, I feel that my game is strong. I feel as thought I'm a shining prince, just like Malcolm, and I feel that all of us are shining princes, and if we live like princes, then whatever we want can be ours. Anything."
"My music is not for everyone. It's only for the stong-willed, the [street] soldiers music. It's not like party music- I mean, you could gig to it, but it's spiritual. My music is spiritual. It's like Negro spiituals, except for the fact that I'm not saying 'We shall Overcome.' I'm saying that we are overcome."
"And the raps that I'm rappin to my community shouldn't be filled with rage? They shouldn't be filled with same attrocities that they gave me? The media they don't talk about it, so in my raps I have to talk about it, and it seems foreign because there's no one else talking about it."
"If you know in this hotel room they have food every day and I knock on the door. Every day they open tha door to let me see tha party, let me see that they throwin' salami, throwin' food around telling me there's no food. Every day. I'm standing outside tryin to sing my way in- "We are weak, please let us in. We're week, please let us in." After about a week tha song is gonna change to, "We're hungry, we need some food." After two, three weeks it's like "Give me some of tha food! I'm breakin down tha door." After a year it's like, "I'm pickin' the lock, comin' through the door blastin." It's like, "I'm hungry." You reached your level, you don't want any more. We asked ten years ago, we were askin' with the Panthers, we were askin' in the Civil Rights Movement. Now those who were askin' are all dead or in jail, wo what are we gonna do? And we shouldn't be angry!?"
"My raps are a decision, rabble rousing, spiritual, like gospel music. I don't want to dance. We have so many things to deal with, we need to talk straight up and down."
"I don't advocate senseless violence of any human being. I'm the one who's been beat down. But I will not be a victim again."
"If we really are saying that rap is an art form, then we got to be more responsible for our lyrics. If you see everybody dying because of what you are saying, it dont matter that you didnt make them die, it just matters that you didnt save them."
"But I see now that whether I show up for work or not, the evil forces are going to beat me. They're going to come 100 percent, so if I dont be 100 percent pure-hearted, I'm going to lose. And thats why I'm losing."
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RE: Who Killed 2pac & Biggie?? - Apr. 22 2008 19:21:29
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Tupac was simply an image that the record exec's picked up and used seeing the rise in rap,he was a middle class well off guy not from the ghetto at all
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RE: Who Killed 2pac & Biggie?? - Apr. 22 2008 19:25:01
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Tupac was simply an image that the record exec's picked up and used seeing the rise in rap,he was a middle class well off guy not from the ghetto at all
Read above mate.
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RE: Who Killed 2pac & Biggie?? - Apr. 22 2008 19:26:51
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Lesane Parish Crooks,was a racist muslim who preached hate and violence ,the rest is media hype
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RE: Who Killed 2pac & Biggie?? - Apr. 22 2008 19:27:36
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Did you ever read his Vibe magazine interview?
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RE: Who Killed 2pac & Biggie?? - Apr. 22 2008 19:28:43
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I dont wish to offened so ill step out of this thread,i just hate kids who jump on idols,without realizing the truth and the effects of the images they push
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RE: Who Killed 2pac & Biggie?? - Apr. 22 2008 19:42:08
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I wouldn't put is past Elton Welsby to have done something like this.
I think it would be a bit crazy for the guy sitting next to him to have organised it. I don't even like sitting next to someone who's being served soup, nevermind someone who's being served chest-riddling bullets.
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RE: Who Killed 2pac & Biggie?? - Apr. 22 2008 20:45:36
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IIRC didnt Robert Mugabe have something to do with it?
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RE: Who Killed 2pac & Biggie?? - Apr. 22 2008 21:43:20
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Dan Nukem, interesting info you've given mate, amongst all the other ****e posted.
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RE: Who Killed 2pac & Biggie?? - Apr. 22 2008 22:01:22
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Vanilla ice offed em
Yeah , he was known for waxing chumps like candles 
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