im not going to ask if i can eat big meals every hour coz thats stupid my questions is this some days i get up really early and have to work till really late ie 9am-4am so can get loads of meals in, is there a limit to the amount of meals i should be having or should i be eating every 3 hours as normal??

i know that the small amounts of sleep have a negative effect on building muscle as im not getting enough rest but i make sure i dont do any workout or excersizes on the 2 days i workd late.

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I doubt if there's a right or wrong answer to this. Personally I would try my best to keep on fuelling up with small meals every 3 hours if I had to work a 19 hour stretch - but I guess it would depend on the work being undertaken and a persons unique metabolism.

All in all, my vote would be to eat rather than not for any period of the 19/20 hours!

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door work so not anything too strenuous.

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IIRC lyle recommends three as a minimum

max would set by be how much time you have to prepare and eat

 

IIRC lyle??

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IIRC lyle??

IIRC stands for "if I recall correctly".

Lyle is Lyle McDonald, an author: http://www.thefactsaboutfitness.com/research/lyle.htm

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concentrate more on number of cals instead of number of meals mate

I've read that research has proven that it can be beneficial to eat more meals a day, even up to as many as 15. however. i do believe that tot kcal was the same, its just how much your choose to eat per meal.

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I've read that research has proven that it can be beneficial to eat more meals a day, even up to as many as 15. however. i do believe that tot kcal was the same, its just how much your choose to eat per meal.

Provide a link to the research please. Meal frequency makes no difference whatsoever to progress, whether bulking or cutting. It only makes a difference to discomfort if bulking, or appetite if cutting. See http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/m_2625404/mpage_1/key_/tm.htm#2625404

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15 meals a day is not good for your teeth, that's for certain...

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On a high-carb diet maybe, but a low-carb diet results in virtually zero plaque buildup.

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interesting.

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On a high-carb diet maybe, but a low-carb diet results in virtually zero plaque buildup.

Plaque ain't the sole problem Nige - "acid attacks" need to be kept to a minimum rather than spread out as much as possible.

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On a low-carb diet, there's only ~2 portions of fruit a day (which can be eaten at the same time) so there's not much chance for acid attacks.

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Somewhat of topic but he sent me his 'Protein book' a few weeks ago and it an excellent text on protein consumption for athletes. I can highly recomend it.

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On a low-carb diet, there's only ~2 portions of fruit a day (which can be eaten at the same time) so there's not much chance for acid attacks.

This is something Jess harps on at me all the time about (she's a dental nurse), so figure it can't be that far off.

There are foods other than fruits that are acidic - I think this list actually refers to the food being acidic rather than acid forming, TBH it's been one of those days!!!

ACIDIFYING VEGETABLES
Corn
Lentils
Olives
Winter Squash

ACIDIFYING FRUITS
Blueberries
Canned or Glazed Fruits
Cranberries
Currants
Plums**
Prunes**

ACIDIFYING GRAINS, GRAIN PRODUCTS
Amaranth
Barley
Bran, oat
Bran, wheat
Bread
Corn
Cornstarch
Crackers, soda
Flour, wheat
Flour, white
Hemp Seed Flour
Kamut
Macaroni
Noodles
Oatmeal
Oats (rolled)
Quinoa
Rice (all)
Rice Cakes
Rye
Spaghetti
Spelt
Wheat Germ
Wheat

ACIDIFYING BEANS & LEGUMES
Almond Milk
Black Beans
Chick Peas
Green Peas
Kidney Beans
Lentils
Pinto Beans
Red Beans
Rice Milk
Soy Beans
Soy Milk
White Beans

ACIDIFYING DAIRY
Butter
Cheese
Cheese, Processed
Ice Cream
Ice Milk

ACIDIFYING NUTS & BUTTERS
Cashews
Legumes
Peanut Butter
Peanuts
Pecans
Tahini
Walnuts

ACIDIFYING ANIMAL PROTEIN
Bacon
Beef
Carp
Clams
Cod
Corned Beef
Fish
Haddock
Lamb
Lobster
Mussels
Organ Meats
Oyster
Pike
Pork
Rabbit
Salmon
Sardines
Sausage
Scallops
Shellfish
Shrimp
Tuna
Turkey
Veal
Venison

ACIDIFYING FATS & OILS
Avacado Oil
Butter
Canola Oil
Corn Oil
Flax Oil
Hemp Seed Oil
Lard
Olive Oil
Safflower Oil
Sesame Oil
Sunflower Oil

ACIDIFYING SWEETENERS
Carob
Corn Syrup
Sugar

ACIDIFYING ALCOHOL
Beer
Hard Liquor
Spirits
Wine

ACIDIFYING OTHER FOODS
Catsup
Cocoa
Coffee
Mustard
Pepper
Soft Drinks
Vinegar

ACIDIFYING DRUGS & CHEMICALS
Aspirin
Chemicals
Drugs, Medicinal
Drugs, Psychedelic
Herbicides
Pesticides
Tobacco

ACIDIFYING JUNK FOOD
Beer: pH 2.5
Coca-Cola: pH 2
Coffee: pH 4


** These foods leave an alkaline ash but have an acidifying effect on the body.

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ORIGINAL: Elsa
I've read that research has proven that it can be beneficial to eat more meals a day, even up to as many as 15. however. i do believe that tot kcal was the same, its just how much your choose to eat per meal.

Provide a link to the research please. Meal frequency makes no difference whatsoever to progress, whether bulking or cutting. It only makes a difference to discomfort if bulking, or appetite if cutting. See http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/m_2625404/mpage_1/key_/tm.htm#2625404

Sorry, Nigeepoo. Should have thought of that. It was something I read in a norwegian fitness magazine probably years ago now, and it was a test that was done to show effects of it. Don't remember all the details either. I'll keep it in mind for next time. However, done some research now and I found a site that might explain the effects of nibbling 17 meals per day vs 3 meal per day. The second one shows pro's and con's in a bit more understandable language:

http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/abstract/321/14/929
http://bestlowcarbs.com/article1071.html

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This is something Jess harps on at me all the time about (she's a dental nurse), so figure it can't be that far off. There are foods other than fruits that are acidic - I think this list actually refers to the food being acidic rather than acid forming, TBH it's been one of those days!!!
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Those foods are "acid-forming", not acidic. Sugar is in the list and it's neither acid nor alkaline.

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Sorry, Nigeepoo. Should have thought of that. It was something I read in a norwegian fitness magazine probably years ago now, and it was a test that was done to show effects of it. Don't remember all the details either. I'll keep it in mind for next time. However, done some research now and I found a site that might explain the effects of nibbling 17 meals per day vs 3 meal per day. The second one shows pro's and con's in a bit more understandable language:
http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/abstract/321/14/929
http://bestlowcarbs.com/article1071.html

Thanks for that. The advantages are all to do with serum lipids and blood glucose control, which I accept. There was no difference in metabolic rate between gorging and nibbling, which is what the thread http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/m_2625404/mpage_1/key_/tm.htm#2625404 was all about.

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Those foods are "acid-forming", not acidic. Sugar is in the list and it's neither acid nor alkaline.

lol, yes, I did say my brain wasn't that with me. I'll pester Jess for an answer, 'cos I'm starting to doubt her now!

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